01.06.2004 irc

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mm - Nope, not yet
NZheretic: how doies the price of the cray compare to the price of the g5 big mac?
didn't think so :(
mm, me, too. :(
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welcome guys!
gerrynjr : I dno't know - but you don't get fries with that.
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NZheretic: the big mac was 5.2 million according to the keynote today
oh boy another cray stock I can invest in and watch drop to zero.......
will I ever learn
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NZheretic: w/ 1100 dual g5 nodes
jeff=sucker for big iron
JeffGerhardt: invest in apple
gerrynjr : How do I set cache level in mplayer?
gerrynjr : http://www.cray.com/invest/
Borkur: no clue.. I use 32k w/ my Z
Gee. M$ claims that a WinTel server is 10 times less expensive to operate than a Linux Mainframe...
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hey beastman, how ya doing?
I might add that a Sharp Zaurus is much, much less expensive that the WinTel server
Bork : -cache
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/default.asp
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well, hell, i believe everything ms says
my Z can host web pages cheaper than a wintel server
it can host an ftp server cheaper
Mine, too
or a amil server
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How do I get on the radio, like 88.1FM?
nice to meet a fellow Z user :-D
gerrynjr : Accoring to the slides on the investment conf - Cray has the edge with the interconnection bandwidth.
ShawnRisk: some stations have caller lines you can call in on
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t minus 5
Zs rock. My Timex Sinclair can serve web pages cheaper tooo
NZheretic: the big mac used infiniband
its webley time
http://www.wallstreetwebcasting.com/webcast/needham7/cray/3__Slide16.JPG
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Hi all!
Oh, sorry, different kind of Z
JeffGerhardt -- same conf number?
Opps
wftl: I lvoe the Z, a nice portable workstation
anre NO check your email
http://www.wallstreetwebcasting.com/webcast/needham7/cray/3__Slide17.JPG
i had a 240Z
JeffGerhardt -- thx...
warthawg: I know but how does that get me a station on the radio?
wftl: are you a guest on the show tonight?
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Greetings to all this evening
Glenn: greetings
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gerrynjr: No, just hanging out. Making a nuisance of myself on IRC
Listening to the show
wftl: ah.. always fun
Glenn: greetings
"Data exchange close to peak speed of opteron.
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NZheretic: holy!
ah! lag!
must be b/c of people hitting it
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warthawg, you a guest tonight?
chrisb: hey
hello
hey MGALUG !
gerrynjr: lo dude
Bill_E: a little bit
want to join me in shooting darl w/ an oozie?
what app do you use to listen to the show?
he's not worth the lead
Does an oozie shoot jell-o?
gerrynjr : A reaonably priced Strider could put Cray into the application sever market with a bang.
Borkur: xmms
xmms
NZheretic: in any case linux on a cray _is_ sweet
xmms, xine, realplayer
noatun on my desktop
XMMS on MP3
Borkur: mplayer on the Z
mpg123
I have xmms running an mp3 stream right now.
ogg
mplayer
gerrynjr : However Cay != reaonably priced
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gerrynjr : However Cray != reaonably priced
NZheretic: true...
but cray == high speed shit
noatun
hopefully high enough to get on the fastest supercomputing charts
noatun is jumpy on my laptop
probably just arts
yea
arts is the antichrist
Is it #linuxshow or #linuxlive?
linuxshow
what is linuxlie?
what is linuxlive?
web site says linuxlive
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gerrynjr: nah... that's Gates
well when you connect it says "All action is in #linuxshow"
or Darl
typ
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hey everyone.
MGALUG: they are one entity
Linuxlive is an archive of last weeks show
lol
VOICE!
linuxitch: lo
chatzilla people are filling up linuxlive
they are of the same borg collective
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We're back
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yea
he Kev
Here it comes!
ok
Choice: I'm running ChatZIlla, and I seem to be here.
W'ere back!
Welcome, everybody, to The Linux Show Live and in glorious color.
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is anyone signed up to call in tonight? I tried to write in to voice my opinion twice... and got show down ... twice.
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will the linux show be live at LWE?
welcome back TLS
I'm glad the sound is getting better!
Well, my CZ interface certainly uses color in IRC.
gerrynjr -- yup!
Arne: yea... got Orion wallpaper shining through Xchat... that's color for you
Arne: nice!
oh yah, sound is getting better
Arne: be sure to chat w/ the IT people from roger williams university!
Volume 7 - louder this year!
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i'll be going to LWE boston.. not this year, sadly
SCO
on topic?
what's the topic?
that's no fun
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when's LWE boston?
mm: next year, same time as LWE NY
mwg: if you follow the link on the website with Moz you go to #linuxlive
thanks
Linuxtoday rules!!!
:)
ripping albums right now on my alternate system... U2 Joshua Tree adds nice subtexture to TLS feed
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Choice: Oh, I use a bookmarked link.
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phonographs that is
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sound is kick ass today!
Kernel 2.6
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yeah, sounds awesome!
my birthday of course
2.6.1 soon too
'llo folks
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http://www.peercast.org/
Make sure we cover the 'Get Linux' article from Register.uk
'lo Scotter.
sound is really good ... very very little background noise
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first time listener
P2P Broadcasting.
welcome psycholnx
thanks'
is the show on yet?
JeffGerhardt: what about a p2p based bradcasting solution?
im listening
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only 55 tonight. dang
psycholnx: congrats... you are at the top spot for Linux info
We are live -- NOW. ShawnRisk
yup
I wonder if BitTorrent could be adapted to streams?
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that's going to be cool
ha, that was mentioned last week
ShawnRisk: if you connected late...you're buffering the show
BTW - could you "bold" IRC info on the website? Thnx
mwg: might be a good solution for sharing bandwidth. some timing issues though i imagine.
how long is the show?
BEEP
mdshaw89, email them about that
K
COOL!
60-90min sometimes
k
Choice: 4 degrees on my porch, very cool. :-)
nice
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clear sky?
someone beeped in the show
2004 IS the year of the Linux desktop!
thats cool
1/2 inch thick ice on everything!
inluding cars
Burlington Coat Factory sill using Linux after 5 years
wftl: I sure hope so, i'd win a bet w/ an old friend of mine :-D
can't get in my car
namaseit, are you in chicago
MGALUG: Clear as a bell, moonlight coming in the window.
--- Received a CTCP VERSION null from Pudly
It's on my desk top NOW, and since 1999!!
I said 2005 is the year desktop linux is mainstream....
Springfield, Or
sweet
2004 : The year of the search for Linux Sweet spots
wow..
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mars is bright
below zero here in chicago
wftl: it's a 100 dollar bet :-D
I am using Coolplayer and can't get anything
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it's 70 here in tampa
gerrynjr: good luck
Novel buying Ximian and SUSE
ShawnRisk, xmms works
whoa
sebb: 43:57 on 05-13-03
true. we need OEMs to gain ubiquity.
just lost it
yea...whoa
me too
gone
lost it too
no sound
just loast it as well!
it's dead!
just lost the show
me too
ack
the oems will fall as soon as I get Toshiba. I'll be taking em back to court very soon :)
lost stream
in Windows :)
oops
Top story of the year. 2003, the year PhantomsDad escaped from Windows to Linux. :-)
SOund gone in SE Michigan.
lost stream
its an ex-stream
I spoke too soon
lost it
I lost stream
im using linuxqestions.org stream
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PhantomsDad yea!
any other streams still working?
Lost sound in Linux too!
Hey windowsrefund: Read your article, I think.
sound?
lsot stream here to
My stream has also ceased to be.
JeffGerhardt: it's dead!
Lost connection to source on mount stream.thelinuxshow.com:8000/linuxlive, waiting 30 seconds for timeout
Fine not found on re-load.
back!
woohoo!
windowsrefund: My E-machines laptop did not come shrink wrapped in anything.
my stream is gone
Arne: is it on that end?
i cut out.. did anyone else?
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I was streaming out of ibiblio in NC.
it is dead for me too
now I have muzak
Pining for the fjiords
music
ouch, my ears!
my ears!
Its gone!
which one works?
cant connect to chicago
dead here too
ibiblio stream lost
my ears!
horid music now
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did the feed die?
* windowsrefund is prebuffering from LQ
i'm goign deaf!
hey that's good music
I lost streaming since installing 2,6,0-test11
looks like the main stream server is down
i don' get anything -- which stream is working??
chicago #1 ogg feed dead
We're looking into it. Show still goes on at this end.
Arne: :-(
I got my 2.6.0 working earlier today
stream back!!!!
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back!
All attempts on all feeds dead so far.
I got dropped by the linuxquestions feed and now the linuxinstallcds... back!
linuxquestions.org stream works
Got back from Chicago.
all the REALs are dead tooo
ibiblio.org dead
PaulH cool
there it goes
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ok I'm back
Eric just joined the show
wooooh
trying texas
good at linux installcds now
.real work's for me
I will listen to the achive later
changed to the Texas server
back!
linuxquestions.org is working
linuxinstallcds is good
w00t
Ogg stream has started up.
No - I'm doing REAL from Chicago.
good from LQ
got texas
HA
it's back
heh
ibiblio is back!
Doc voice mail.
yes
dang real
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I still have music from ibiblio
Ibiblio real works
switch to the texas server paulh
GOD I hope RH is bought up by Oricle
I re-connected to chicago #2
yah ibiblio real is working
linuxquestions.org is back
ibiblio is just music
and their partnership with IBM
back in texas
Choice: why in the world?
DougDante: are you a member of WindowsRefund.net? Someone was talking to me about emachines recently
oracle
I don't know if my real works I'll have to check
Novell vs M$
what story is currently discussed
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sh*t -- out again... no ... it's back
The ogg feed from stream.thelinuxshow.com is working.
Real is working from NC
real seems jumpy
:\
what's going on with yesterday's announcement from Redhat? Are they buying someone?
LQ.org is good
its real good here namaseit
someones buying them, supposedly
thank God it wasn't Red Hat
Microsoft trying to "Get the facts"
maybe I'll try helix ;)
that's it
msft is buying redhat
warthawg: someone was tlaking about that last week oracle would buy Red Hat!!!
Helix worked yesterday for me and Nasa feeds
maybe IBM buy Novell?
Who is breathing into thier phone?
Jeff
peercast://pls/D593234A8C802936D16CE6BC01EE03FB?ip=203.118.135.216:7144
yikes out... back
I am out of here by everyone
http://www.peercast.org/
NZheretic: what is peercast?
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MGALUG, yah don't you just love those *facts* from MS
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yea... liked even better the Register's article
my workplace loves Novell
Nasa Loves Linus
Linux
maybe they love him too
heh.
MGALUG they love both
novell has a nice lineup with Suse, Ximian and integraded Netware services. This year will be interesting
Got screen shots of Nasa screens running Linux
MGALUG: are you big on space stuff?
nice
like Mars
rover mission
awesome
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well plus Novell already has their foot in the door of alot of businesses
think Rovers running Linux
MGALUG: Wouldn't Tove be a bit upset about that? :-)
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very true
and alot of long partnerships
that M$ 'Linux facts' site is such a load of ASP horse sh*t. I can't believe they have the garbonzos to call anything they put out with respect to linux 'fact'
what about 2.6????
MGALUG: What makes you think that?
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=NELSON.94May17152652@crynwr.crynwr.com
who's buying Red Hat?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Novell And Linux
not me
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I like Fedora
what would you send to Mars on a 850Million$ project?
MS?
no
Windows CE
not here.. Fedora is damn stable.. Better than RH in my opinion
:)
BSD
ye
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* waystar wonders how the BSOD looks on Mars...
Man, are the ogg feeds ever going to work right again? I had to drop and get an mp3 again because of looping on ogg.
Obviously the biggest story of the year was the passing of John Ritter
And verily did the Expose project become Caldera Systems and Novell forthwith sold the rights to relicense Unixware to The Santa Cruz Operation
"Were not going through space, oh shit oh shit, BSOD!!!"
s/not/now
Sorry RH has soured me totatlly - I'm dumping it here at work as soon as I can.
mmmmmm slackware
RH has raised my ire as well.
slack rox as well
Meanwhile, at a similar pet shop...
http://today.java.net/pub/n/MarsRoverSims
PCLinuxOS4 is pretty good. ;)
nightmares of the 'flying through space' screen saver goes through nasa's head
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haha
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yet
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linuxitch LinuxRiC
and sharp, pointy, teeth!
linuxitch: flying rocks goes through mine
windowsrefund - fred berry and art carney too. it was a sad year for comedy
nasty sharp pointy teeth.
yea but look at the volume of SCOX
yah don't put windows on that space probe, if aliens find it they will think there is no intelligent life here
WTF
LOL Finally got realplayer to work :)
namaseit - good point
me too
war on terror is a joke!
Regal Cinema using Linux at concession stand
just switched mirrors. Do we need one for the Caribbean? :P
mandrake 9.2 w/ 2.6.0test11
my helix wouldn't come up
Praise be the GNU General Public License!
is this Bruce Perens talking now??
Bill_E, really? sweet!
it sounds like him
cool
Lowes runs linux
gerrynr: Do we ever get the punch line?
hey helen went to iraq
That Eric Raymond
Home Depot runs windows
geezzzz
ESR
how far along is HURD? Isn't that GNU's version of linux/unix flavor
ehehe.... I need a job too
Hurd just had a new release
burlington coat factory
let's all make a field trip to iraq
lol
Who are the guys who talk at the show?
Tikrix
HURD is a microkernel like windows
sebb, should say on the site
I'm not sure that the capture of Sadam is as important as the War preceeding it. :)
Sorry guys unless you have a Security Clearance you are not going to Iraq! I tried.
eek. Not Like Windows.
Choice, windows is microkernel?
Windoze is a u-kernel????
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what?
Choice -- Windows, a micro-kernel with a HUGE gui...
Saddam is captured : WE"RE ALL SAFE NOW!
heh
Since when did Sadam sponser tradition terrorism?
windows is a *pico*kernel.
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ha! :)
O Sama Bin Laden
I thought HURD was just the kernel, like Linux is. How far along is it though -- can it run gnome and friends?
windows has a kernel? I thought it was just a hampster running in a wheel!
knowprose: More like a popcorn kernel. :-)
NZheretic : Even Bin Laden opposed Sadam.
HURD is a kernel. But it
hurd is micro-kernel
mwg: Popcorn kernels are useful.
...it's not that avanced
That was huge!! I loved that news tidbit
* waystar pictures windows droppings on newspaper
http://linurati.net/shirts.html <-- The shirt I will be wearing to the Linux World Expo....
They should have named it "Window-Pains"
knowprose: Good point. Shame on me. :-)
You mean like not finding those "weapons of mass distruction"?
waystar: lol
waystar, its called the registry
heh!
registry was actually a good idea, they just abused it.
The shirt is not for sale -- one of a kind.
to bad it didn't happen
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/34734.html
What it says is "Time to pull out the patents!"
Microsoft ad push cranks up the 'get Linux' volume
http://news.google.com/news?scoring=d&num=100&q=Microsoft
Windows: Just another pane in the glass...
http://linuxitch.com <-- the hat I'll be wearing to LinuxWorld
Vs
http://news.google.com/news?scoring=d&num=100&q=Linux
people are getting tired of paying multiple times for what Windows 95 should have been
Hemm-O-Raj?
Next hit is going to be profit since they will expense stock options from this year
all the Windows "fact" ad campaign is gonna do is make people go, "Linux? I'll have to get that and try it out!"
Nice hat. Check out the shirt -- a modified M$ shirt...
MS combating spam
Anyone know where I can see the "Get the Facts." ads from Microsoft?
Has anyone here had the pleasure of seeing Revolution OS.. If you havent.. Get it.
sure.
Cool hat
i just don't know why you guys don't trust bill gates
psycholnx: i've got a copy :-D
http://www.a42.com/node/view/54
psycholnx, I got it FREE from HP promo
ive seen it, i just dont have it
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warthawg, you don't read the news much do you?
A rule in advertising is NEVER mention the competition
Takes a long long time to lose $50 billion in cash
i want it
where can i get it?
Ha ha -- you don't need a punch line for that one, warthawg.....
where can I download it... Revolution OS
Linurati - i liked your shirt... very original
MS Office for Linux
maybe gnutella net
I don't exactly appreciate a large *windows* virus/worm sucking all the bandwidth *I* pay for.
wftl The stock proce goes a whole lot faster than the $50B
Thanks. My wife works for an airbrush shop.
Revolution OS thinkgeek.com
cool
or VBasic for Linux
download it..
What about microsoft claims of IP covering FAT? That's going to hurt.
i shal
Revolution OS : They only way to have it in Canada is to buy it in USA
MS-Linux: the Ueability (cough) of WIndows, the stability of...?
http://www.revolution-os.com/
jose, no, thats just wrong
:)
yep. pride won't allow it.
question, Do you REALLY want M$ making a linux distro?
SUSE's packaging of Crossover and Transgaming for a lower price
anyone here been contacted by Microsoft about what should go into their next operating system?
NO
Not saying that MS canI've seen small
Oops
jose: http://vb2py.sourceforge.net/
I think that MS, if pushed enough, will have NO choice but to release either a linux flavor with their brandishing on it, or a version of office for Linux.
I watched the movie Antitrust month or 2 ago on TBS... that's Mr. Gaaaates to a T
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python !!!
<[Wildman]> MS must know Linux. They distribute their office suite on Mac X
jose there was a kde basic project in the works a year or so ago, don't know the current status...
Sure MS can make Linux. They can call it Lindows. Oh wait...
no office for linux...
there ya go jeff
Not saying that MS can't lose (they will) but I've seen small companies take years to die
i'll keep oo.o thankyou ;-D
call it windows but it can be Linux
Even after it was a done deal
Windows Media Player is available for Linux.
They willl
Embedded apps.
MGALUG -- ever see "Pirates of Silicon Valley"? Pretty good.
where's the money
DougDante: it is?
Office is already ported to OS X
<[Wildman]> SuSE's package is Winerack
Money talks. bottom line
Codeweavers has the Office thing going.
Thats why MS is mad at Lindows, they wanted to use that name!!!
Gates is obstinant and arrogant
They would rather make MS-BSD
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DougDante: WIth mplayer who needs WMP?
why don't they?
namaseit: interesting observation
"Windows Media Makes Its Way to Linux" http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110175,00.asp
BSD license let's them
but they'd still call in windows
it, not in
MS could buy Lindows
mwg: I play thenm with mplayer
mwg: which plugin for Mozilla do you use
for mplayer
No they will offer a BSD to Corporations
I want NetZero for linux, I can't go on the internet without
Not sure MPlayer is legal in USA, and 300Millino-ish people live there.
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they won't be able to sustain a business model with any of their products ported to linux. Especially once the open source equivalents get up to speed.
mplayer mmmmmm
I use OO.o on Windows at work.
DougDante: Is this recent, as I have a (3+years) old WMP for linux, it never worked well.
I use mplayer in the US, and nobody has ever knocked on my door.
Gates is smart. He built a castle in the sky, and he's worried about the Barbarians at the Gate... GNU/Linux tears at the foundation.
... I had to switch to mozplugger ..rpm -e mplayerplugin ... and it kills quicktime integration
bbiab
it's a dead end - selling software that is bloated and overpriced does not work - especially on linux.
MGALUG: Mozilla Plug-in for which function?
kmplayer, can be embedded into apps like konqueror
City of Austin looking at Linux - was /.
mplayer
Bill_E: i heard about that
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mwg: It's under development, and probably available for OEMs now (e.g. set top boxes), but we consumers won't be able to download it. see the link.
it won't dive. erode, perhaps, but not dive.
Microsoft has a hand in everything
mplayerplugin does quicktime in the browser window as embedded in the page...
City of Corvallis launching pilot to roll out Linux on the desktop.
MGALUG: I don't, when I need to play a WM? file I paste to a terminal window as parameters for mplayer.
not just computers
they aren't the only ones
<[Wildman]> What about the direction that UserLinux is taking. Any thoughts?
true
that works
Gates lost with the Phone Orange deal.
I don't like to talk about UL
what's happening with United Linux?
it's just a big political pile of crap
<[Wildman]> Yeah where is UL 2.0 heading?
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not crap
but, well, it's a discussion topic
Antitrust.
United Who?
<[Wildman]> United Linux
United Linux is essentially dead
yeah.
thx SCO
exactly.
yea...Antitrust is another good movie to watch
<[Wildman]> No doubt
Brian Proffit is on the show
Bill_E: yea
LinuxToday!!!
Antitrust is pretty good
cool!
i want a linuxtoday tatoo!
:)
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Antitrust is too "hollywood" though with the murdering crap that goes on
very good sound!
ugh. SCO.
:P
Antitrust didn't have the computer blowing up at the end!
Antitrust used a Linux for the "big evil company" OS.
2.6 rc2 is out!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like in Logans Run
SCO, SCO, SCO, SCO, SCO, SCO, lovely SCO, wonderful SCO.... :-)
* graywind switched to DVORAK three days ago :x
Once this SCO stuff is gone, Linux might not seem so interesting to people
ha
Thanks to Linuxtoday.com for letting me know about the linux show.. :)))))
It will to me.
mwg - yeah - wish people would worry about Software Patents more.
mwg -- I don't like SCO!!!!
Its funny to think how SCO's publicity blitz has actually *helped* get Linux's name out there
Borkur: VERSION xchat 2.0.5 Linux 2.6.1-rc1-mm2 [i686/1665MHz]
Does not compute Does not compute DOES NOT BOOM!!!!
People in here going to the Expo in NY in a couple of weeks?
I guess it's true, Theres no such thing as bad publicity!
ask Bush
I am
Linuxword
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Linuxworld
What about SUN selling it's Java desktop all over the place?
Well, we have HP, SCO, IBM, Tecra, Sun and SCO, that doesn't have much SCO in it...
toga: 2.6 rc2 is newer :)
*beep*
Sun's JD is bs
Fedora!!
nothing new in it
I'll be at the Linux World Expo wearing a Microsoft shirt with an airbrushed Tux pissing on the logo... http://linurati.net/shirts.html
jose -- I'll believe that when I see it.
HAA
just pacakaged by them
I DON'T LIKE SCO!!
Borkur: My bad wes thinging mm2 ;)
Redhat is actively working on Fedora.
and the Fedora doesn't include xine...have to yum install xine
<[Wildman]> Yeah but where will the small to mid size company's go for their solutions when the money is not there?
JDS is very nice. I got it 2 weeks ago. Very basic, but a nice complete simple desktop system
Arne - what about the China sale
knowprose: Software patents are a disaster in the process of happening.
I cant wait for Project Looking Glass to be available
You don't understand what Redhat is doing!
psycholnx, yah no kidding, that 3d stuff looked pretty sweet
Fedora is not run by the community. It is just the beta for future Redhat
mwg: Exactly. Meanwhile everyone has their panties in a wad over SCO. SCO will sort itself out.
look at gentoo.....!
What's the current situation with software patents in Europe? Any Europeans or people up on that in here?
yes.. im looking forward to it
psycholnx, there is something like that already for linux, uses opengl
mwg: Even IBM is known for using patents for leverage ;)
Anybody know if there is an official Linux logo?
what is it called
psycholnx, dont remember
I signed the petition -- anything else an American can do about this EU patent thing?
dang
Borkur: yea... tux
Borkur : Tux, the penguin.
What about entire distros like knoppix on a USB key - distro and data. If those keys are ever bootable, man they'd take off like a bat out of heck
Tux is basically the "official" logo.
dang.. i guess we'll have to hunt, or wait for Looking glass
Linurati: Just generally make noise.
put it in Google: tux linux
borkur: The closest thing to a Linux Logo is a penguin named Tux.
image search
Linurati: holy crap man, can I purchase one of these shirts from you?
Mandrake has a distro on a usb key too
Borkur -- isn't that tux
There are distros that boot off of a USB drive -- see DistroWatch.com
Borkur, Tux
Yeah I know about the tux but the tux is more like a mascot ... A logo is more like "the_official_logo.jpg" :)
i thought that was a distro that stored its data on a usb key - the distro was a cd
http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/
The nice thing about booting with framebuffer, the lovely Tux on my screen.
nice tee shirt designs Linurati
can you boot from a usb key?
Logo: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.luug-hn.org/pics/tux.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.luug-hn.org/gnulinux.html&amp;h=216&w=196&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtux%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
who
thanks cstevens
You betcha!
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* windowsrefund doesn't even know what framebuffer is
windowsrefund -- the shirts are one-of-a-kind. Sorry -bout that. But you can always look at the picture and enjoy. Feel free to print it out and take it to your local airbrush shop -- they can probably duplicate it.
Linurati: link>
?
flame?
Oh, please!
?
WHAT
Linurati: the shirts are gorgeous
Linurati: link?
crisp?
WTF?
What Shirts?!
gerrynjr:
HUH?
hehe
Did he say that KDE was going away or here to stay?
KDE is very nice
dammit, well I'll always use KDE
Gnome!!
Boot from USB key:http://linuxmobile.sourceforge.net/
Linurati: Going away
huh
I doubt it
cstevens: my bios cant boot usb!
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Novell owns SuSE? When did that happen?
WHAT!?!?!?
yeah.
nah... someone has to pickup the devel
I use some of the K tools, kmail and kcalc, but in general if K vanished I'd probably not notice. I use xfce.
KohlFusion, awhile ago
I actually like KDE.
No, it means that KDE will get another sponser
SUSE will probally ship with the Ximian Desktop and Evolution
Kohl -- less than a month ago.
KDE can't go anywhere -- it's way too advanced.
KohlFusion, novell bougt suse for 210 million
gerrynjr: Excuse for new mobo!
I know a lot of people still use CDE
I like Gnome, but use some KDE programs
Gnome is ok,,,. but KDE rocks
cstevens: I like ths one!
cstevens: it's very stable!
cstevens: do you know if Linus has assigned this image as the official logo?
I use Xandros, so I use KDE.
cstevens: it's my athlon XP machine
KDE looks more line wintendo
!
KDE is superior technology
yeay! more than two, woo-hoo!
KDE's great
speed concerns to Eric
I use gnome because it's prettier - at least i think - but KDE kicks ass too
OOOHHH Shit. KDE.
there will never be a single linux desktop
KDE is way more stable.
Athlon XP 2600+ here.
Um. last time I checked KDE doesn't require corporate backing to survive.
XFCE4 is big enough for me! :)
Bill_E: Yeah, well...
* windowsrefund uses screen
several desktops help the user optimize
not KDE
linux is all about choice
xfce4 is sweet too
I like xfce, but using icewm right now
mm amen
Just like linux.
mmmm KDE 3.2
OT: My favorite Christmas present: 19" Sony LCD flat-panel. :o)
so fast
Nope
namaseit: but xfce4 takes too much work to install
Gnome.....love the Gnome
gerrynjr: Yes. He asked the person to draw it for him.
KDE 3.2 beta 2 here...
I downloaded xfce4, but I haven't had time to decode the anything-but-usual compile instructions.
the RH Bluecurve
They are wrong.
I'm using droplne atm, but I really liked XFCE
IMHO Gnome is very feature-less compared to KDE
windowsrefund, comes on slackware
Yay for PJ!
Ok, UserLinux should be both KDE and Gnome
KDE 3.2 : http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5577
namaseit: I didn't know that
gnome gets the job done though
sebb, will never happen
gerrynjr: Linus said, "Think of a nice, fat, Penguin that's just gorged itself on fish!"
GrokLaw swings or swang ;)
yea... but not as smoothly as KDE
tiny?!?!?!
gnome is so ugly I wont use it
kudos to mandrake for giving us all of the desktop options,
cheers to groklaw
cstevens: ?!?!?!?!
have too many seg faults in Gnome
KDE here!!!
yes?
Mandrake for me.
Sorry but QT/KDE is my medicine
Mandrake + KDE
Why don't they say what Pamela thinks of esr?
wxWindows for me. :P
QT framework is godlike
Slack/KDE
gnome crashes a lot when I play with the toolbars and panels. bugs me
yea.
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if they can integrate lots of KDE functions then maybe
DCOP is almost the coolest thing
I just install SuSE 9.0 and can't decide between KDE and gnome
wxWindows rocks. I don't like QT.
gerrynjr: Here's something to boot from that's almost as cute as USB...
Agree!!!
I'd vote for Groklaw as the most imprtant site, yes.
The only problem - repeat - the only problem with KDE is trolltek lock on propritary QT development.
<[Wildman]> I use KDE with SuSE 9.0
yea
Cheers to Xandros for making Linux easy to use without having to be completely lost at first if you're coming from Windows. I've converted a couple of people that way. Once they're on Linux, any Linux, they can more easily move to any other.
gerrynjr: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
<[Wildman]> I like the speed and ability to find things
NZheretic: that could bring about it's demise
Groklaw really did do a great job this year. Wish she would tackle Patents....
Wildman... yea
Best thing about Groklaw is no BS!
err... last yeat (temporal lapse)
Well if all we have is Gnome in the future. Then I don't like the future.
groklaw rocks!
knowprose : thats coming up.
Groklaw ROCKS!
LOL
groklaw is awesome
Groklaw totally stepped up!
When has she sovered open-source, it's about SCO and the GPL?
yeah, PJ rules!
that
Give her time... SCO got her started, many people are probably afraid of what happens when the SCO ends.
s why I don't like WIndows
NZHeretic: Glad to hear.
no Choice
with that OS
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without spending money for a Skinning program
groklaw is cool, go PJ!
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mwg: Software patents are horrendous... SCO is... a thorn.
Well if it wasn't for KDE there would be no GNOME
Tech TV needs a new program...."As the SCO Tumbles"
Focused on GATHERING EVIDENCE - not arguing.
KDE and Trolltech
There was a time when Gnome was tops
Bill_E LOL
Personally, I wouldn't fight to the death over whether any given distro drops gnome or KDE -- as long as I can do everything I want to do.
then KDE busted it
Linurati:
Linurati: Hallelujah
yea
yeah the osi paper was good
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hey all
Well some of the stuff they are doing now is pretty cool, Im on the mailing list and there are some sweet ideas going through there
sounds like I miss a bit of a great show
knowprose: She has started this, I see no problem with finishing before picking a new target. WOuld be nice if tshe could start on patents now, though.
JZA: Not too much ;)
Tech TV needs to bring on a Linux based program, I like Martin Sargent for about 2 minutes that would be a good spot to put it in ;)
mwg: Well, that's international too... perhaps a European Groklaw correspondent?
JZA -- it was stated on the show that now that Novell owns SuSE (along with Ximian), KDE is going to go extinct.
I agree with you PaulH
I don't get tech tv - basic cable sucks
yeah those are very big stories..
KDE will go to MacOS :)
Meanwhile, http://fsc.cc is trying to get 'intellectual property' into the Act... or rather, out of it.
JZA, not likely
no!
SCO out of business
dont buy mandrake!
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ack
http://www.opensource.org/halloween/halloween9.html + http://sco.iwethey.org/ + http://www.groklaw.net/
who would buy mandrake??
rh
noooooo! not mandrake!
Me.
redhat?
crap, redhat's trying crap up all the rest of the distros
oh redhat.
Mandrake is great
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possibly me
I've seen TechTV while visiting friends, just another insulting logo channel. :-(
Red Hat is evil
no, rh rocks
no - redhat won't buy mandrake - they're too much on the server end. not desktops
Why not buy Mandrake? I never have, but it was my first distro, so I have a fondness.
Mandrake's great. Szulik told UK gov to use Windows.
email tech TV to pick up The Linux Show
MS buy Mandrake
I have tried Mandrake, it is a good starter distro for someone getting there first computer
I don't run mandrake on my pc but I support them with a membership
Steve Oualline's Small Claims Windows Refund victory in California was pretty decent news
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they are cutting edge
mwg: I kinda like TechTV, leo is pretty good about Linux
and want to be free
Mandrake has a cluster product and they are pushing their server distro
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5577
we are going video in 2-3 weeks
w00t
RH has no reason to buy Mandrake -- it's a RH derivative.
sweat
redhat should buy mysql.
but they do need a dedicated Linux show
sweet
sweet
Mandrake works better automatically configuring my computer
YES! - That's going to be awesome
certainly will sweat too
No it was a RH derivative
data rules the marketplace.
JZA: I have no tolerance for logos, look at the lower right of the screen. While that is present, content is irrelevant.
No, nobody should buy mySQL.
JeffGerhardt: video?
like "The Linux Show!!"
heh
mysql stands pretty well on its own
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JeffGerhardt: nice!
Redhat could be bought themselves
JeffGerhardt will the new Real player be involved?
Unisys!
helix?
this thinkpad is running Mandrake, and been up 140 days since the august blackout
My SQL
PaulH: but would go well with a linux clustering tool like redhat or vice versa.
EDS?
JeffGerhardt: don't use real, please!
read something today along the lines that Rh may be looking to be bought
PaulH: oracle?
PaulH: Yeah, raising funds right?
CA
darwin?
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streaming server?
hey
quicktime
wow 80 ppl
holy shit - think about that. redhat and mysql together. wow - talk about a MS toppler
MySQL 5 barfs trying to set up initial settings...
are they small enough?
Red Hat's distro is poor for many reasons. I won't use it or any RPM-based distro any more. But you have to give them credit -- they've brought a LOT of credibility to Linux in the corporate world.
Hell they could get bought by apple. Who knows.
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:)
yeah the are trying to raise funds to the tune of 400 mil to pay off a debt that is due in 2024
what about them using Postgres and then buy Mysql?
80 users
YEOW -- it's a little loud!
Isn't the RedHat database PostgreSQL based?
Achoo!
Bronchitis here
good advice
yes it is
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on the virge of Pneu.
get better, MGALUG
Scotter: I think so. Been a long time since I played with a RH distro
will
PaulH: where'd you hear that? i've read their financial statements and not seen any notes due in 2024.
Novell hasn't proven anything yet
on Antibiotics, etc
I think KDE will bring something indespensible to the table this year that will help it out
they're just the new kid on the block when it comes to Linux
Had it twice before, not fun :/ Hope ya both get better
what about Microsoft bashing and talk about monkeyboy's IPod dance
Prediction for 2004 : The Fedora + Debian *community* will hammer out a common repository and comon LSB type platform standard.
This is my first time in this IRC and first time listening to the show live. I just heard of the show a few weeks ago and downloaded some of the recent shows.
I gave up on RH ater 9.0, I am a very happy Slackware junkiy now, everything just works!!!
RedHat looking for funds: http://www.localtechwire.com/article.cfm?u=6573
That would be TeX!
Redhat should buy Apple
What text processor was he just talking about?
LaTeX!
I have old hardware that RH 9 will not even install on
vi
PaulH, I gave up on 8.0
Linurati: listen in the car using my ARchos
LaTeX - ha!
I echo LaTeX
why is this guy advocating closed source apps for Linux????????????????
got so slow I had to kill it
and I am talking about a 233MHz Pentium
then we could have Redhat itunes
and noone called him on that???????
to the archived shows... nice
PaulH: Get Slack!
that was a good story this year.. the monkeydance
there needs to be something like Encarta for Linux
I used to have the 20gig Archos. Nice device.
windowsrefund: Who did? I missed it!
he made one that point, point of contact in case of problems
last week I told an interviewer that Apple should buy redhat
the guy from Linux and main
just now
just replaced my LCD screen ... did it here
Encarta for Linux, I like that!
Bill_E: Wickapedia
yes even apple buying Redhat would be good too
knowprose: debt as in bonds?
I avocate all sorts of source apps for Linux
he was advocating his wp, not closed source
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Encarta fo Linux would be great!
he basically just said that he'd like to see more closed source applications ported to Linux
www.infoplease.com is a start but requires the net
OO draw has been a good pagemaker substitue for me
and noone called him on it
JeffGerhardt : More likely Apple purchase Xandros
waystar: they talk about the UI
are there any projects to get a mac os x like desktop on linux
excuse me ? who is currently talking about KDE development?
yea... cause KDE is very nice
Pr0m: no idea... I'm just a lowly hacker.
if KDE goes I will be pi$$ed
and SuSE?
Apple + apt? cool!
KDE is beautiful.. I just test the 3.2beta
* KohlFusion can't see himself shelling out 50 bucks for a word processor
apt rules
linuxitch: yes. mac os x would be the ms desktop killer.
PaulH, start getting involved, coding, documenting, etc
KDE is too advanced, too nice, and too slick to just 'go away'
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That's why I only use Debian-based distros.
linuxitch: if it were ported to linux on x86.
I want to try OS X on an AMD.
emphatically heh.
wftl: I agree
An emphatic Gnome? Interesting image there. :-)
weel sorry guys, don't mess with our KDE !
I've always felt that Gnome's success comes down to Miguel and Nat's political saavy. It's not the system KDE is.
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yay -enlightenment
Me finally realized why I've been bumming on Suse 9 on my Thinkpad and installed apt4rpm and am happily getting 1.2 gig
pr0m - is there an rpm or something i can get to give me mac os x like desktop on linux
many of us are
are the radio hosts on the channel with us?
My home fileserver runs Knoppix, with Samba, a PHP webserver, and RAID drives.
I've used Gnome, it's not bad, I have always prefered KDE
WHile I don't really care, the song fragment "I want my KDE" just drifted into my head.
KDE customization rocks
KDE kiosk development is prettyh good
KDE is going nowhere.
I use gnome, but I also ise KDE apps :o
evolution rocks!
uh hello...... why isn't anyone challenging the comment about the need to port more CLOSED source applications to Linux?
mwg lol
use*
Don't hate Gnome, it just lacks to me
pine
why would KDE go away? who says so?
kmail is great
KDE has more company support
this guy needs to be challenged on that
ThunderBird!!
* waystar has more desktop options than she has shoes.
eric predicted it on this show
JZA, not really
stock: ESR
ESR
The only problem - repeat - the only problem with KDE is trolltec lock on propritary QT development.
linuxitch: i'm not sure that i understand your question. you can run linux on apple ppc.
FireBird!!
kde is better technology. You can make pretty guis with simple tech, just as M$. In the long run KDE is more interesting
kmail works for me. No HTML parsing by default.
THunderbird is awesome. :D
NZheretic: yea...
maybe MS will buy them
ack
KDE
NZheretic: yes, but who knows what could happen this year?!?!
pr0m - i have an x86 running mandrake with kde or gnome. Is there a mac os x - like desktop i can get for linux?
yeah it has... u just dont see it in eWeek..
ouch.....
KDEMS
i would say thats whishfull thinking, maybe in the same category as his thoughts about Sun Microsystems going bancrupt....
(Re-tunes spam filter yet again...)
How much are those hats again?
I thought it was the DECADE of the lawyer
I do like evolution, but it's a little bulky
I've tried Gnome several times, but it just lacks a bunch of features that KDE has. I wouldn't need those features if I were a init-file guru, but I'm not. Example: There is no way (that I could find) to switch my keymap to Dvorak, which is very easy to find in the KDE Control Panel.
graywind - which hats?
Why isn't anyone challenging Dennis' comment about the need to port more CLOSED source applications to Linux?
linuxitch: closest thing i know of is gnome tweaked a little bit. of course. there was a theme for enlightenment that was pretty convincing at first glance.
guess what? Sun sold tons of Linux workstations in the far east
text to speach in Konq is sweet
windowsrefund: we need to keep CLOSED SOURCE out of Linux
Gnome looks clean and pretty, though.
text to speech in Konq?
linuxitch, you know :)

windowsrefund: agreeing with you
18$ was it?
MGALUG: our guest Dennis just said the complete opposite and was not called on it
I can't believe that
IBM won't settle. They can't afford to let the copycat lawsuits to pop up
but I heard it myself
Me too, Jeff. Everybody's scared...
SEC could go after SCO
Vampire articles? :-)
graywind -- oh, THOSE hats -- email me at alan@linuxitch.com, and i'll give you a discount.
IBM is far from stupid. They can not settle, for the same reason Israel does not negotiate with terrorists
One thing I don't like, Gnome is impossible to install from source, so many packages it's insane
MGALUG & windowsrefund: Don't discriminate against closed source -- prove that open-source alternatives are superior -- that's all....
but its a free market, i think (hope) there's room for both
Censer Arne again!!!
Why don't you publish it yourself?
anyone in here that wants one of the linuxitch.com hats, email me at alan@linuxitch.com, and i'll set you up.
hey joe barr
Linurati, I modify all my setting to what I like anyway, so gnome out of the box would still look different on my desktop, my KDE looks pretty fricken awsome
What about publishing stuff like that on blogs!
The Gov's scared about coming out with open source
linuxandmain guy: haver you contacted EFF?
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I use Nvidia drivers... open source, but taint Kernel...
how was the 1st amendment being violated? (sorry i currently am not following US news... sorry)
for fear of retribution by MS, others i.e....
Linurati: what???????? are you kidding me? Do you know where you are? You're in #linuxshow. Do you know what Linux is?
graywind - no they were $15, but i can go a bit lower :)
NVIdia is not open
so I don't use it
ok.. your right
yeah nvidia is all proprietary
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"Let me remind your boss (an elected official) that we still
windowsrefund -- re-read my comment. I think you'll see I'm in favor of open source.....
but I use it ...have to to play my games
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Kick Ban!
gotta have Tuxracer
make campaign contributions..."
frozen-bubble!
Linurati: you told me not to discriminate against closed source
did you not?
closed kernel modules is a diff story
namaseit: kids love frozen-bubble!
solitare
Yes, but read the second half of my statement -- you're like SCO, reporting things out of context....
*I* love frozen-bubble :)
namaseit frozen-bubble rocks!
I love PySol!
did I hear correctly that someone thought RedHat should buy MySQL
my prediction for 2004, microsoft will more agressive try to grab hold of its market, but it won't be able to remove the grease from its hands.
has actually avertised it...
Level 80!!!
like MS is doing
I dont' mind proprietary apps but kernel stuff/infastructure should remain open
Can't get past level 99 in frozen-bubble :(
namaseit I like the tunes with the game
stock, m$ .NET is doing just that
kill -9 linux ; access violation
don't want to pay for proprietary apps on Linux
anyone had heard about Microsoft new marketing strategy vs. MS on the server
chrisb, yah for like 5 minutes
:)
toga migrate to a 64bit puter :)
terracon: must be nice to sit on the fence
pay for a distro and apps come with it
MGALUG: me neither
namaseit yeah
Re: 2.6.1-rc2 can/must it be added on top of 2.6.1-rc1 or are each of the rcs meant to go on a 2.6.0 tree?
windowsrefund: you get things like games that are more art so I don't mind if they're closed
stock: The lid will just come down faster!
that's my primary reason here... I can't afford to buy MS closed source for 5 computers
MS can't kill something that is intangable
I wrote previously "Don't discriminate against closed source -- prove that open-source alternatives are superior -- that's all...." That means that if you show people that the open source alternative is better anyway (example, OO.o vs. MS Office), then the closed source software will fail all on its own.
toga heh :)
Patent!!
the kernel should always be open. as long as that happens, then I don't mind closed sources apps for Linux; so long as the companies are competing fairly
Bill Gates Senior was a prominent Seattle Senator, BTW.
yeah, they're going to get dirty
ms -- what about their patent portfolio.
BG Sr. was Seatle Lawyer
M$ woi
I think MS site will get DOS attack every other month
Also a senator
john: patch 2.6.1 (not 2.6.1-rc1)
Linurati: ok I see. Your comment was more like some Zen philosophy thing. got it
Asserting their IP over FAT is going to hurt. Think about all the digital cameras, and other devices
How did OJ walk?
How can Microsoft's EULA be legal and not GPL?
PACs
Russ! hah!
Patents
indeed beware of US senate/congress to 'promote' Linux and GPL contrabandwarez
they can
their EULA *should* be illegal!
't
You can patent it!
Okay. I run a Linux advocacy site (Linurati.net) -- I'm on your side!
can't
M$ working w/IBM to replace the BIOS and you know what that will mean
maybe a 'DOS Microsoft' Live CD :)
JZA: MS runs a site on DOS? 3.1? 4.0? :-)
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linuxitch, what now?
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mwg I meant Deny of System
err.. Service
but I don't see how the TLS staff let Dennis' comment about wanting to see more closed source applications get ported to linux go unchallenged
MS version of BSD
TOOO LATE ....
I was disappointed whes I saw the news that M$ took their website off of Linux servers... ;-)
JAZ: Humor, funny earth concept...
http://www.open-mag.com/features/Vol_79/redstorm/redstorm.htm
give me 4 billion dollars
buy KDE and Novell/SuSE
geez -- i'd take it.
Does that mean we can get good hardware drivers then?
"With national stewards of the nuclear stockpile needing to replace test-based confidence with simulation-based confidence, they now turn to supercomputer providers Cray for a Linux-on-Opteron super-solution."
http://www.open-mag.com/features/Vol_79/redstorm/redstorm.htm
Oops, JAZ shoule have been LZA back there.
Linus would say what refined crack are you smoking Bill
Ack!
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lol
Patents
Everyone knows that, right? During the height of the Blaster worm attacks, M$ sites were on Linux. hee hee
he likes the x-files does'nt he?
hehehehe.. explain 'removal'
still are
MGALUG, then Linus would start using it too so he can go a coding rampage and create linux 2.8.0 in 48 hours!!!
sounds like a mafia thing..
is he implying knocking linus off -- i.e. a sopranos whacking
lol
indeed M$ linux would be very serious stuff. why? Microsoft has over 75% of the PeeCee hardware manufacturares inside their control, and might create a M$ Linux distro, which would then be the only distro on which all Windows hardware also works.... be very afraid.
Correction.... Bill Gates Senior _was_ lawyer, not Senator
Yeah I saw tht Linurati, LOL
However...
hahaha
Change IP to propreitary procol, Crinley predicted that oe.
hahahahahaha
:x
heh
nice comment ESR
you forgot the 'you smoking crack'
Linurati: they used akami (sp), They didn't run their sites in linux
Did he just say "go do what to yourself"? LMHO
Linus would say what refined crack are you smoking Bill
Mom Gates was the lawyer.
my minor ears, oh noes lol
what about andrew mortem and the rest of the kernel gurus
ms -- certainly could work on government regulations....
KohlFusion, "fuck yourself"
alan cox
graywind: get over it
I know, it was outsourced, but M$ sites were still running on Linux.
:)
That is a lot of self respect I can live without.
that's what I thought, lmho
you forgot the 'you smoking crack' -- go and see Bush for a fix
Linurati linuxitch LinuxRiC
Linus T. Kirk?
Linurati: still are
http://zdnet.com.com/5208-1105-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=1066&messageID=20696&start=-1
"William Gates Jr. was one of Seattle's most prominent lawers and civic brhmins...
I'm going to have to download this show and listen to it again -- I can't follow it and keep up in this chat.
What happened to the 10:00 break + crappy music? I need to make a cup of tea!!
chat is hot tonight
The elder gates was also an active player in the political arena in Washington State.
Linurati: Me too.
me too -hot cocoa!
fedoraguy: agree
the show is too heated and important for any breaks tonight
Does IBM use it's patents to protect Linux?
Senators, congressmen, and governors came to dinner at the family's house when Bill was a boy.
lets hear the other threats, lets not hear more of the world according geek with gun....
What kind of tea? I like Bigelow English Breakfast.
well what would a man with a gun about to be killed do?
Coco in the Daemin mug!
Linurati: same here
holy shit!
(Sips wild cherry pepsi for caffiene.)
hot chat tonight!
MS could hire Alan Cox to crack the kernel
i don't want to break - i'm intrigued by this conversation. It's great
Earl grey
"The Pride Before the Fall" by John Heilemann
vanilla coke, here, ok I may be odd....
Eric--don't be so hard on the guy...
jeez esr let joe talk
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lol
can't beat em? /join em, and be better with m$ gadget hardware driver support
hah!
Dr. Pepper here
lol
prediction - longhorn will be the last ms operating system release.
Threat modeling. :P
IBM can not aford Liunx to be killed. That alone will make the patent void
Vanilla Pepsi , you can taste the artifical vanilla
woah
oh...
"Replicator.exe has caused an exception in module 'EarlGray."
this is getting serious
yeah, what can be done?
don't give Gates any ideas
I doubt that, M$ will not disappear
And now the hosts threaten each other ;-)
huh... matrix??
prediction - longhorn will NOT be released - it'll be dumped in favor of MS Linux.
matrix the movie?
One problem with the Microsoft attack - * ANTITRUST * ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *
Vanilla Pepsi and ..... iTunes
pr0m: IF they release Longhorn
is this guy smoking crack?
DNA loved Earl Grey. (Douglas Adams) Evidently, there was a blend of Earl Grey also known as "blend 42"... Could that be the origin of The Answer?
lol
If linux went away, I would go live in the mountains and be a hermite
lol
No, Threat Matrix
oh I get it now
heh
PaulH: i didn't say that ms would disappear. i said that longhorn would be they're last os release.
It's crack
namaseit: linux will not go away, it would go underground
PaulH: they will create a new revenue stream.
threat model--basically and FMEA?
it will go underground with kde!
pr0m: I don't think MS will disappear either. But Longhorn has morphed quite a bit since it's inception. ;)
http://news.google.com/news?scoring=d&num=100&q=Microsoft+Antitrust
Linurati: Officialy, 42 was the funniest souding number he could come up with.
actually, if linux went away, thousands of companies would
One problem with the Microsoft attack - * ANTITRUST * ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *
Longhorn will hit the street Q4 this year ...patches and service packs will immediately follow
like the WMD and iraq, a guess sometimes....
What is the threat matrix for them changing the callin number so Eric's never on the show again?
sec
and noone is mentioning DRM/TCPA when it comes to these threats?
terracon why underground? cause of KDE ?
http://www.tpub.com/content/USMC/mcwp212/css/mcwp212_79.htm
guys... ever see the antitrust case?
Just make software illegal... except the one that start with Microsoft Corporation
Legal action -- what about requiring all software developers to be liscenced...
Sun would be screwed if linux went away, Novell, IBM. Lot's of others
all software
pr0m: I doubt it, they are in a three year cycle now
john: ESR apparently has lots of guns. Lots. :P
i thought longhorn wasn't due until 2005/
6
Declare the GPL an illegal "pyramid scheme" where somehow the downstream people "pay" the upstream people who do nothing.
just like SCO
knowprose: LOL
knowprose: ESR HAS a lot of guns
ms office will be the transition software revenue stream before settling on something more services and hardware combo based. similar to ibm's market position.
How can Linux go underground -- it's *everywhere*! It could never go away, even if every current developer moved to Mars. The source in *everywhere*, and others would take it up.
lol
LOL
this community has so much intellectual capital now, if Linux gets derailed, we'll start something new the next day
stock: just a joke since they were saying in an earlier prediction that kde is in some trouble with the novell/suse situation
Or the third!!1
sjohnson: I read that.
the secret dep. inside CIA most probably are M$ chillz
jza, that's what will happen when they replace the bios
:)
Come on this is a silly discussion Bring in IBM they can lobby better than most
sjohnson: So I should be careful the next time I talk to Kathy? :-)
TCPA is threat #1
they are scared shitless
ms
TOOO LATE ....
garsmaz: I was wondering... if GNU/Linux becomes mainstream completely, I'll need a new OS :))
They should be scared.
mwg: She's a lawyer to boot. :)
"With national stewards of the nuclear stockpile needing to replace test-based confidence with simulation-based confidence, they now turn to supercomputer providers Cray for a Linux-on-Opteron super-solution."
That BIOS replacement they are going to have will fail
Lets hear the otheer threats, Joe???
http://www.open-mag.com/features/Vol_79/redstorm/redstorm.htm
BSA...
TCPA!!!!
9 out of 10 Pheonix bios' are TCPA-ready
oir Gartner
The case to rate big is something related to "National Security"....
Gartner would try to make Linux unmarketable..
Linux helps National Security
knowprose: You could just switch to Slackware. It'll never be mainstream, but it rocks.
Gartner is a bunch of kindergartners
:)
lol
lol
;-)
:)
Linurati: I was thinking more FreeDOS with a Gem Desktop LOL
lol
LOL
ROFL
?
hah
lol
heh
they have a right to be scared, they can see the writing on the wall how much have they lost to companies and entire countries switching to open source
Linurati: Once you go Slack you won't go back!
darl's ass has to come up.
Yuck! Bad mmental image of the century!
Business is good here!!!
yah slack is where it's at
john: HERE HERE
eWeek columnist writes on the SCO 'wolf story'
john: I love Slackware -- it's my favorite distro. I'm just not knowledgable enough to use it.
I saw that in the Wall Street Journal!
More people are blaming Sun!
MicroSCO
My customers could care less about SCO.
Slack here!
MicroSCOffed?
HAHA -- GEM Desktop -- I had an 8088 Amstrad in late 80's ... it was great - on four 5 1/4" colored floppies. The green one went bad :(
eWeek even asked something about the SUN funding SCO
cstevens: No, they couldn't.
;o)
SUN bought a SCO license also
linuxitch: I still have an Amstrad PC1512. Needs some work.
Linurati: totally!
I'm in xchat -- clueless newb (re: the app) what does it mean when the name of a commentator is in color (e.g.Linurati PaulH)
IT will be interesting to see who is really behind SCOX $50 million funding
Only after AT&T pissed off Judge Greene
john, its yours
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/foia/divisionmanual/ch2.htm
STFU eric!
Even Wallstreet Journal mentioned SCO funded by MS and Sun In the paper today
They aint doing anything with RIAA and is 1/4 of the Tech industry
He's member of ethnic minority?
john your nick is in the comment
it means someone is speaking *to* you
"Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal. Every person who shall make any contract or engage in any combination or conspiracy hereby declared to be illegal shall be deemed guilty of a felony, and, on conviction thereof, shall be punished by fine not exceeding $10,000,000 if a corporation, or, if
any other person, $350,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding three years, or by both said punishments, in the discretion of the court.
"
knowprose - I think that was it -- the 1512 - Does it still have that sample paint image of that lady next to the amstrad. That was great when 16 colors were available
i use xchat too john, it means someone has typed your nick
john: If your name is at the beginning of the message, then it will be highlighted to get your attention.
McGurk: sweet
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/foia/divisionmanual/ch2.htm
The FTC doesn't care it will take a judge.
get GAIM!
lol
Yea so what....
And it did! ( get my attention) Thanks all
heh
How about telling us the other threats Joe?
American Chopper
Fox News ROX
linuxitch: I think so, yeah. It still has ALDUS Pagemaker on it :o
they'll cover it on Threat Matrix
What about American Chopper?
yeah, American Chopper kicks butt
one app does all the chat you need
Rox News Fox
American Chopper is bad ass...
Nothing remains secret forever.
knowprose - holy moly - that was SOOO long ago for me.
like the CSI on WiFI last week
American Chopper is ok
Shit. We pay Joe more than the gov't would
Microsoft sill has a Federal Judge standing on their neck. She could still chew up M$
Threat Matrix: http://abc.go.com/primetime/threatmatrix/ for those who care.
Joe Bar, Tonight after the O'Reily factor
linuxitch: Yeah, I was plotting world domination back then. Now I would be happy with the Galapagos...
OCC was at the bike expo at Javitts Center on Sunday, but I heard the lines were horrible.
NZheretic hey dude, you know what $10 million fine means to M$ ?
hahaha
shit
thats true
hey robin
Dennis: what was that about the need to have more closed source applications ported to Linux?
Linux is a threat for the Job
I've got pictures from the bike expo, if anyone wants. A friend of mine went there.
American Chopper -- Watch some ill-tempered guy yell and scream at his employees.... I'll pass.
* windowsrefund holds the mic up to Dennis
hi, JeffGerhardt - I wasn't sure I'd be around tonight, so didn't commit.
lots of IT guys would get out of job for actually do any administration
yah cause 1 guy can managed 300 linux servers while it takes a "team" of people to run 10
Dennis, you have mail
Linux eat middleman also
roblimo hello
Yeah but it doesn't take upper management long to figure the "blame factor" out.
Yeah, I've taped the shows and just fast-forward past the drama.
real programming, imagine having to learn C or Perl!!!
hey Robin. Been a while since the conference.
I make my living supporting Windows. Stressful at times, but as long as MS sells softwre, I'm employed.
That's a good point, though.
I'd rather support Linux.
knowprose - yeah, I played with my Amstrad for many a year figuring out how to get my computer to talk to me like in War Games.
Linux may get many sys admin fired..
Welcome Rob
Arne- watch a BIG guy yell at his kids and not have their mom yelling at you! Great show!
hey rob!
namaseit: Burlington guy said it.
JeffGerhardt, I had a conference scheduled with a heavy Linux hacker today, but we put it off 'til tomorrow. Said conference will take place on my sailboat. :)
too bad Doc isnt here to take a swing
Hi rob
Yes... new is bad... for big companies...
3000 systems managed by few
mwg: So do I. Painful. But successfully installed OpenOffice on about 10 client machines...
yeah, we need music break :)
I work for a big company, and they still use a damned AS/400 to run the business...
P time.
isn't the going rate for an MSCE pretty high?
Major piece about FSF and usability factors on NF in the a.m.
*gurgle* I hate this machine.
Two hour shop, Two hour show!!!!
knowprose will want to read it!
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Will we be able to download the show to listen to it again?
roblimo: NF?
knowprose: On the plus side, Mozilla is the required browser for a Java application at the office.
how long the show supposed to last?
allo roblimo
roblimo: Heh. You've been reading :P
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Well linux was made for the lazy :) everything comes from a lazy want, "I don't want to do that a thousand times, how about once and it spawns a thousand times"
2.6.0 has SATA support... it sure works on promise gear... look at www.promise.com .. i bet they themselves don't know it exists :)
knowprose, how's life in TT, and why aren't you writing new cool stuff for Linux.com?
pr0m: it varies
fedoraguy, NewsForge
How 'bout 64-bit computing? <==
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tomorrow screen savers is going to have instructions on how to update new kernel
Arn but you agree that on kernel issue is very up to Linus job..
I'm trying to introduce OSS, such as mySQL and Linux, but I'm getting nowhere fast. I do have the director of IT listening, though. There's only so much power he has within the organization.
yo limo.
PaulH: k.
How many active kernel hacker is there?
gonna be in NYC in 2 weeks?
THREAT: Microsoft supports some open source software, and distributes the same for Windows. IMPACT: Microsoft leverages OS software, slows switch to Linux PROBLEM FOR MS: OpenOFfice.org impacts MS Office sales.
yo low per ja
Still trying to figure out what is wrong with time update in 2.6....
JasonPerlow: i love you, man
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and what about the 3com 940 Giga ethernet? why is the linux driver not called 3c940.o but lin98sk.o or such?
nah. the 2.4 kernel will be a landmark for a while to come.
ummm which competition, the RTOS from embedded OS? SiemensOS? or Solaris?
roblimo: Going nuts. Teaching at the local University to make ends meet. FSC. Stuff.
warthawg: I havent been in the writing game in over a year
Is this channel active other times, when the show isn't on?
JasonPerlow, you and warthawg had *better* learn to love each other or I will hurt you both!!!
but I just took the hardware column at Linux Mag
JasonPerlow: still consulting?
just finished my first article in over a year
Linurati, not really
oh
yep
the year of the Desktop :)
It's getting on the desktop! Seriously!
LindowsOS have been pretty much everywhere...
2.6.x frame buffer bug is still there :(
* tdb30_ seems to remember jason perlow from the old os/2 days.
I just saw some LindowsOS adds in Mexico
Desktop, that flat surface where I keep my monitor, keyboard and trackball. :-)
I'm probably going to be converting an animation studio to linux
You mean Sun's JDS?
THREAT: MS locks in new computers to Windows using BIOS locking mechanisms from manufacturers. e.g. "Trusted Computing" IMPACT: Users must specfically buy a computer from a limited # of manufacturers to run Linux
i had problems with acpi in 2.6.0
for me the year of the desktop is when i see linux in office max or on my mom's computer
I tripled my number of desktops running it in 2003
question : how many cycles remain in the Linux Kernel development cycle before we hit the theoritcal limits of what a Unix like kernel can be?
mwg: :)
tdb: the wounds are still healing
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linux is on my mom's computer
Major Trend: Asia will totally adopt
the 2.6 kernel will be critical in bringing linux to more laptop users.
2.6.0 is clean stuff , as my 1st impression.... got a x86_64 AMD64 kernel compiled clean and booted on a amd64 3200+ ASUS K8V deluxe, booting from SATA
wtg mm!
question : how many cycles remain in the Linux Kernel development cycle before we hit the theoritcal limits of how good a Unix like kernel can be?
My BOSS installed a linux desktop this year. MY BOSS you hear?!?
UFS write (at least for Solaris) has been broken since 2.2
ok I got a preddiction, Novell will announce a mayor support contracts with governments and big companies.....
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lol, thekompany.com
Linunx on consumer devices. Led by Sony
sean gordon
Scotter: Your BOSS? No Way!!
they made almost all the Zaurus apps
linuxitch: You can see Linux at Staples and Best Buy, at least. Granted, maybe 3 distros, max (SuSE, Mandrake, and Red Hat), but it is something.
Will Linux get 10% of the desktop in 2004?
Novell management is very focused on being the #1 and Sun is giving competition...
2) Linux on the Enterprise Desktop - Hell YES
Complete distributions : Xandros, SUSE, Sun's Linux/GNOME/Java desktop
Third party desktops : Ximian XD2, KDE 3.x
Third party Office Suite : Sun's StarOffice
With an effort : Redhat 8.0/9 + OpenOffice
2.6.x ide cd burner works fine.
JasonPerlow, actually alot were ported to zaurus
heineke, no.
We demonstrated that all mission critical apps in the company run under Fedora with one use of Wine.
nama: thats what I was doing for a year
I see redhat in stores nowadays.
Major Trend: Universities go for Linux big time!
I second that..
I ran the dev program for the zaurus
i agree
Gov't adoptions are no longer news,
2004 - the year more women discover Linux
how about EUR 100,= for Mandrake 9.2 amd64 ? :)
DougDante: Where did you hear that... about microsoft and the bios locking??
thats why I stopped writing! lol
the bush government won't do it
I've got my wife on Linux.
Gov't adoptions are much bigger than press knows because
My wife hates linux
we need something like dshield.org that covers worldwide Linux adoption
2004 Linux discovers women!
2004 - the year running windows gets you onto ricki lake or jerry springer.
Gov't does'nt necessarilly like to come out about it.
NZheretic: Don't you know KDE is going to die? (says ESR)
indeed
My wife likes linux...
actually until recentl, I hated linux as a desktop
waystar: my wife uses it
GOVT GETS HAMMERED
I use Xandros 2 now
for the last 3 weeks or so
linuxitch: aaaahahaha
I've been using it for three years now
basically gave here no choice
JasonPerlow Give her a bit of daemon
my wife doesn't care what desktop she runs. she just wants to type, browse, and print.
I still use windows for audible.com downloads and iTunes
Massachusets was the one that opposed to the Microsoft settlement?
Linurati: I got my GREAT UNCLE - 80 years old - on GNU/Linux
dumped Win 98 for the awesome stability of Linux
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psycholnx: I'm making up threats. "TC will also make it much harder for you to run unlicensed (READ: Not approved) software" http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
my husband was impressed when I used VNC to take over his 2000 desktop
m$ looses for now one way or the other
Open Source Impact: http://www.mwvlug.org/open_source_cd/index.htm
i c
I dont like the way Xandros handles GTK apps though
Windows to crack iTunes, Linux and BSD to listen to them
i wouldnt put it past them though
that's what people need to tell... just how much better Linux is with examples... machines they can test it on
the gnome integration is crappy
Faking wins mindshare
DougDante: I hear ya
I would see new distros KDE based being created... the economy is back, and new Linux companies would be created....
but the windows integration is excellent
Chicks dig Linux: http://linurati.net/shawn/linux_chick.jpg ;o)
JasonPerlow: Gnome is crappy
Not only the MS margin but it raises the interoperability issue
KDE rocks!
My wife hates linux too! Perhaps there's a potential market there for open source that it isn't tapping.
IMO
I have Xandros two, and that's what my wife and I use. It's simple.
MGA: yeah, well, one cannot live by KDE apps alone
wife hates linux here too...
MGALUG i agree...
The heats been happening since 1997 with SAMBA replacing NT.
I am particurally intriged about DOCOMO support on Linux on their mobiles....
i dont get it.
My wife hates PC's
NTT DOCOMO is HUGE....
anybody using xd2?
Hancom on the Zaurus is OK
I'm female, yet sadly I haven't met any other female linux uses in real life
me neither
Mc: its a bit of a pig
I use Gnome apps too
desktop is nice in KDE
Linurati: W00T!!! That's what MY box has been missing ;)
JasonPerlow also true... but why do i find running gnucash smoother inside KDE3.1.3 smoother as inside GNOME 2.4?
Xandros runs non-KDE apps just fine.
2.6.1-rc2-bk1 is out.
dep@linuxandmain.com is down :-(
Asian ppl dunno PC's they do it all on the mobile phones...
I use Pan, and that's it.
We had Microsoft salesdroid demanding entry to the server rooms in 1998.
got MDK 2.6 running here
waystar: There's two in Trinidad and Tobago that I know of.
You need to hang around biology labs. Genomics/Linux/women
rc1
knowprose: I know! ;-)
I'm really getting sick of being a second generation alternate OS freak though
I want it in ebonics and pig latin
OS--translation--they can translatate but just don't care....
JZA lol
Linurati: gotta take it down when g/f 1.0 shows up :(
ha
I introduced one woman to Linux. This had an amusing result years later. ESR told her that she had been using Linux longer than he had, that blew my mind.
Yeah, my wife gets jealous.
lol
wyastar: http://www.linuxchix.org/
MGALUG kick ass stuff... my tip : get a AMD64 3200+ board... these boards pull the carpet from the floor
waystar: http://www.linuxchix.org/
mwg: haha
Hell, two women introduced me to Linux
/mnt/shizzle/
yeah, I'm on several of the linuxchix mailing lists
Xandros is not bad at all though
best debian I have used
how much?
waystar: Check http://www.xeebra.com/bitstream - Hamadraiad runs it
How much for what?
not carpet... cost
ESR but there is development chances..
chrisb, hey, I use that too, /mnt/shizzle, /mnt/shiznat, /mnt/shiz
Klingon.
jose, that's awesome!
Xandros 2.0 -- I have all the coupon codes for the discounts. All interested, milo@linurati.net
Yes... and don't measure things in $... measure the in people...
namaseit: lol
mnt/televizzle
heh
what's command to restart arts
Go to Iceland 250K people and local language support in Linux
killall arts
waystar - of course both women are Unix Pros!
:)
man I never get to these linuxshow things on time
Two hour show, Two hour show!!!!
JasonPerlow, they play all week
http://lists.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2003-December/msg00225.html
Too late.
It's past my bedtime, but I'm enjoying the company.
JasonPerlow, just listen after this one and it will be the same show
i'm getting my lighter out for an encore... encore!!
ha!
SCO... any big company has lawyers smarter that SCOs.... so why would they care...
are we on a break yeat
yet
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What year did you all get into Linux?
I would see Linux conquering the mobile market...
2000
have we done the second part yet?
embedded.. eventually someone will get it right
2004 is the year of Linux on the cell phone
1999
1998
maybe
Linux is really beginning to dominate all sorts of embedded networking areas
logarithmic
1999
1994
jeremy_ -- wow.
rh5.2 was my first distro
Linux... awesome year...
1998
Anyone predict Sco pulls out a semi smoking gun of some sort?
First distro?
Mandrake 7.0
rh2.0 was my first
What about Linux in the Movies! No one mentioned that!
scotter: like what? they have nothing
when did slack do the ver # jump?
2004, the year IBM will own everything
Linurati: I'm not sure, but Windows 3.1 was the dominant version at the time.
rh5.2
Linux is the movies these days!!!!
at the end it will be only IBM
really??
dunno,
game over
what distro
woo-hoo!
graywind, dont know, check slackware.com
2004 will be the year Sun goes under
Linux *makes* the movies these days.... Shrek, etc.
Kennedy Space Center Uses OpenNMS http://opennms.org/
microsoft is irrelevant
suse that ran from disk off of a linux format magizine- then installed MDK 7.2
MS is just a toy we keep around to bash :)
Slackware but it wouldn't install off the stack o floppies so I ordered FreeBSD 2.0 on CD...
Microsoft is irrelevant, SCO is futile!
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Linurati, took a class on C (instead of Fortran..Engr major) and wanted to program at home
JasonPerlow: Agreed. Where's my towel? :P
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yeah and the Commercial Linux Distros..
JasonPerlow, Haven't you heard my quote? - "I no longer hate Microsoft. Why should I? I haven't used their products since 1998."
MGALUG ASUS K8V deluxe : EUR 156,= AMD64 3200+ (2200MHz/1Mb) EUR 329,= (boxed including cooler)
Google?
Mars Rover Linux: http://lwn.net/Articles/62848/
jeremy_: Oh, cool.
Google?
I agree with Jeff -- the economy is swinging back, and with the $$$ save on MS products that can be pumped into real business ventures
Google? IPO
IT rose 60% this year...
I have older magazines that have ads for boxed sets of Slackware
2004 will suck to be a little linux company
yahoo is dropping google, woder if it will hurt the IPO?
JZA, check out my friend Warren's Mepis Linux- free Debian-based nice distro, we know how to keep it free AND make money.
JasonPerlow, not really
Eric, who's the Libertarian Candidate? Some equal time here?!
vote dubya out!
I'm starting my own freelance writing business, and I'm going to try to use 100% open source. I may have clients that require something funky, but otherwise, open source all the way.
JasonPerlow, great year to be a tiny low-overhead Linux company!
hehe I preffer new distro models non-based on nanything distros
nama: I guess you havent been counting ad pages in magazines
Linurati, I need freelancers!
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maybe ESR would get a new company
:)
roblimo: What kind of work?
roblimo: what type of articles do you need written?
I'm in...
slavery!
;o)
limo is a slave driver!
ouch
roblimo - i'd like to freelance some time. what are you looking for
roblimo: does it pay at all?
DotCom 2004 == Application (Web) Services.
Mandrake is definitely in 6th gear, RedHat has to switch to 4th.
roblimo - I am running Mepis and it is a fantastic distro!
Yes, we pay.
pay for what?
jose, I'm running mepis too.
hot show
Anyone besides Eric ever use Yggdrasil Linux?
and all the development will come from Bangalore
with all those techies
jose: what's unique about Mepis?
nice job guys :)
it won't go through!
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it dies
MGALUG, you're turning in to a penguin! Stop it!
great show!
42 Clients on the linuxinstallcds.com stream tonight
Scotter: the plug and play distro
Great Show!!! Happy New Year!!!
Great show!
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nice job guys :)
yea
E-mail me when you need a freelancer: shawn@freelancepen.com
great show
Awesome show
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
I am
thanks guys
great show!
great show
great show
great show, guys!
Good show! Everyone have an excellent new year.
Mepis - fantastic support, based on SID, yet everything works
awesome show!!
have them all over
Writers - see this - http://www.newsforge.com/write.tmpl
see you next week!!!!
drawing them too
awesome show!!
great show
yeah great show and ehh HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! :)
two hours already? excellent show tonight, thanks everyone
great show, I am listening again to this one I missed too much
going to post some on my site soon
attend the golden penguin bowl guys
great show!
after I get the domain name from TLS
where
video? guess you guys will have to clean up before a broadcast
video.... right on :)
thanks for another show
Hope everyone made their video donation? I id
<--- writing whore. :P
:)
hide the beer
Great show! I didn't hear a complete sentence due to the GREAT irc chat. Nice to be with you all.
Great show!
I am actively seeking (paid) writers for NewsForge, Linux.com, and our other sites.
nite all!
Great show guys...
We're outta here!!!
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thanks for another show - now I have to download and listen to it LOL
wow
nice
roblimo: any specific topics needed?
i b here
Arneeeeeeeeee
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NZheretic you have a url archive collection online somewhere?
Bye!!!
Hi Roblimo. Been a while!
knowprose: me too
gerrynjr, see http://www.newsforge.com/write.tmpl
I feel like I should have logged the chat
roblimo : I will email you ,
wftl, roger that
Good night, Arne
got it here
Good night
roblimo: i've got some free time, maybe i'll write something :-D
PaulH:
adios
42 Clients on the linuxinstallcds.com stream tonight
NZheretic, you know I love your stuff!
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roblimo has his writers locked up in a little room and feeds them nothing but ramen noodles
Free LAMO!!!
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have the chat... drop your email address
Music!
G'night, all!
will send it
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JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
roblimo: How do u know Warren? Just curious.
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Wow, users are dropping like flies.
good show tonight
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JasonPerlow, only warthawg. Otherwise, I prefer free range writers
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Linurati: You think it's the music? LOL
You know it's good when they forget the break.
quit
they should post the connections that there are to each stream, so people can balance it out and use mirrors that are less used if some are overwhelmed
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
What's the protocol? We all leave after the theme music?
that's ok MGALUG I'd never get a chance to reread it anyway
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friggin' awesome show tonight - best of the year so far for sure :)
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lol
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
lol
This music is making me close XMMS, but not Xchat.....
hmm, http://www.yggdrasil.com/ doesn't have a site any more
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JeffGerhardt: I sent an email, but it bounced back
that is some pretty sad bumper music
i didn't know there was a mailing list, have to check that out
yuck
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NZheretic guess someone from a publisher shows up, and tells you to write your memoires... would you point him to your blog site?
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PaulH: check your tabs
trying to send you the file
2003 was the year I switched from writing abotu linux to writing about food
The music sounds like it has a 4Hz glitch.
lol
I'm using gaim
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
and now I'm back in linux again
heineke: No, it was recorded underwater.
it won't dcc
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I try to get out but they keep pulling me back in
I'm sure it's a long shot, but is anyone here in the Reading, PA area?
kraven@toonville.yi.org
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"see" you all next week.
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roblimo: the prices are right :-D
KevDude: chance of posting IRC chat text file to the site?
IF HE REALLY WAS IN THE NSA, that is
frankly I've decided to do it for the cool toys and the women
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
can't believe he doesn't watch Threat Matrix
warthawg: NSA = No Such Agency
Scotter: try http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.yggdrasil.com/
last week we had a guy register 43 domains
I cant compete with limo though, he gets most of the women
KevDude: That would be nice addition to the site
I get his rejects
knowprose: 63-70
archives
MGA indeed.. is there even a irc logging of this archived??
I'm logging them
knowprose, then No Such Agency created SElinux
JasonPerlow: It's the car.
wow still 50 in the irc
at least have been
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
last few weeks
JeffGerhardt: I sent an email, but it bounced back
JeffGerhardt, 51!
namaseit: No Such Linux. :P
sure
JasonPerlow: http://www.linuxchix.org
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:)
JeffGerhardt: thansk
I can post them on my Usergroup site
sad to hear that..
knowprose: I got a 1987 cadillac brougham because it makes me look as cool as Limo
lively show tonight
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and to think I bought from loki
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if that might help
JeffGerhardt: best show ever BTW
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JasonPerlow: do you have a recipe for jalepeno potato soup?
loki, oy vey
certainly hot
Good show, Jeff!
JasonPerlow: I use my animal magnetism, but I keep attracting animals. :o
wart: post on my web site, you'll get one in two seconds
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Jeff -- did you get my email about the t-shirts and hats you wanted me to bring to linuxworld?
www.egullet.com -- yahoo pick on december 29
not best ever]
no way
big austin community there too
JeffGerhardt: ok, it was great :-D
tell 10 friends about the show
JasonPerlow: what is your web site?
linuxitch, im gonna buy a hat :)
definitely the best so far this year ;)
egullet.com
Well, I had a fantastic time this evening. Thanks all! 'night
or a shirt
JeffGerhardt: the stream cutout was a bit of an annoyance...
all linux geeks that like food
haven't decided
I love potato soup
but the content was good
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why should dennis contact eff
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guys like chris dibona and mandrake and bruce schneier
MGALUG - whats the URL
So, lemme see... ESR said KDE would die.... Groklaw should be covering patents as soon as possible.... I have a cool new background...
JeffGerhardt: well, they are all about protecting free speech
I would assume they could help him out, if needed
JeffGerhardt did you send a email announcement today?
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Joe Barr>> eric wants to ask uyou a question
emauil him'
people missed one big revolution.. and that is on the processor space... with AMD 64 getting more popular
and Cursoe making a comeback, linux will shine even more...
JZA: Waiting for the BTX mobos before I upgrade.
64 bit has been around for years
JZA: thats what I wanted to call in tonight about
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JeffGerhardt didn't see one in my mailbox here
JeffGerhardt: yes, sir. what is the question?
JZA true.. AMD64 was big
gentoo on the G5
JeffGerhardt: yeah but not on the desktop
I just got in a new opteron box
we are just catching up to the game consols
and I just reviewed an IBM Power machine
namaseit - email me at alan@linuxitch.com if you want a hat - i'll set you up with a discount
JeffGerhardt: :-D
review should be up on the linux mag website next week
I can't wait for my income tax return hopefully there will be enough left for me to get a AMD64 system
jo> email eric, it is about NSA stuff
Anyone wanna start an L-Box... :)
PaulH: I will get 1/2 a linux system.. since student pay nothing :-D
quad processor opteron in a 3U, very slick
1/2 an opteron system
16GB of ram
JeffGerhardt AMD64 is awesome , no kidding : everything, every 32bit source you feed is converted into amd64 binaries within seconds
JZA: a Z-box!
stock: how fast is it?
JeffGerhardt sofar not a single source i had to edit
JZA: actually, that's something here: http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/01/06/1413242 (Just mix and match a bit)
russ pawlicek and I wrote together about some AMD64 stuff last year
gerrynjr ehhh hold on :
its actually not very hard.. PS station migrating to Linux as their OS or Nintendo embracing linux and porting their games..
russ who?
stock: bogomips works :-D
wart: the dude on linux show
russ
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# openssl speed rsa
that is Pa"V"licek
Calibrating delay loop... 3053.97 BogoMIPS
he writes for newsforge too
JasonPerlow was that the Suse Opteron server review?
sign verify sign/s verify/s
rsa 512 bits 0.0004s 0.0000s 2588.5 28043.6
rsa 1024 bits 0.0018s 0.0001s 543.8 9775.9
rsa 2048 bits 0.0112s 0.0003s 89.0 2952.3
rsa 4096 bits 0.0761s 0.0012s 13.1 845.5
this is very very freakin fast
jeff: I cant spell
stock>> we believe you
chris, yes it was
stock: give me bogomips!
he did the software, I did the hardware
model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
stepping : 8
cpu MHz : 2199.873
cache size : 1024 KB
bogomips : 4390.91
stock: dmesg | more
thats a shit load of bogomips
stock: grab the bogomips
robliom???
oops
roblimo
http://www.linux-mag.com/online/pr_opteron_01.html
you hoooooo
roblimo: expect an article from me within a week or two
stock: cost
now THAT is a nice machine
gerrynjr, quesry first!
the one I just got in is its big brother
4 CPUs in a 3U
yikes
roblimo: oops, sorry :-\
roblimo>> you and Taco going to stop by at LWE and do a show?
JasonPerlow yeahm guess how much of those were purchased by Intel Inc? :)
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stock: I am sure quite a few
gerrynjr, don't want you to write something we already under way..
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no leaving IRC until you register a domain
send money mom
JeffGerhardt, i will
JeffGerhardt: i've told 50 people.. does that count as a domain?
I'll tell you though, as good as the Opteron is, the POWER is even more impressive
JeffGerhardt can i register for a secondary DNS hosting?
wait until you see the new IBM machine at linuxworld
the JS20
will blow you away
JeffGerhardt: Hey I gavea bit to the phone-in device fund!
I wiwh si were going to linuxworld
Hemos said you guys would, but I never heard back from you so I was not sure
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24 powerpc servers in a blade enclosure
4U high
JeffGerhardt: I register all my domains with you, will that work?
totally screaming
dual procs per blade
JasonPerlow I like the bit about compiling for Zaurus
JeffGerhardt: if you see people from the Roger Williams University IT department.. take them aside!
chris: yeah it was a good test, cross compiler
john>> thanks
we are up to about $350.00
I wanted a Zaurus, now I want that c760 or whatever it is
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maybe even 400
nama: make sure you get it cheap
oh I will
sharp wont likely be making new ones
I'll wait till it's old
* gerrynjr got 2k staroffice serials free
yet still new
b/c sun fucked up
IBM is working on a linux PDA
that uses PowerPC
they have yet to get back to me on what i'm going to do w/ em all
but its about a year from being reality
JasonPerlow: bullshit!
Isn't there that Yopy? or Yoper or whatever?
gerry: not BS
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thanks to jeremy at Linux Questions. He made a donation today
gerrynjr sun fucked up? how?
they even have a developer platform you can buy
uses a 133mhz powerpc
stock: signed up for a free license... in a promotion
l8r everyone. taking my frayed ends of sanity with me... :P
he will be the sponsor for next weeks sshow
thats a developer PDA
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umm is this... last week show?
and they sent me 2000 of them automatically
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gerrynjr hmmm
JasonPerlow: how much?
JZA: why?
expensive
over 1000 bucks
but it has a lot of stuff in it
I have to go to work. Everyone hang out here in the IRC and have fun
ouch!
I think right now they had last week show
JeffGerhardt: adios
see you all next week
JeffGerhardt: thanks!
Audio just restarted
their target machine is something under 500
thanks Jeff
l8r Jeff
well since I got a Linksys WUSB11 i can use wireless anywhere!
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wooo
anyone listening to the broadcast... is it last week show?
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JeffGerhardt sure, thanks dude! happy new year:)
right now the Qtopia stuff isnt good enough for IBM
nope... this weeks
they want something polished
very hot show
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JasonPerlow: qtopia is polished
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gerry: no it aint
JasonPerlow: it's the most polished pda gui i've ever used
I spent a year trying to convince developers to write software for it
I can assure you, its not polished ENOUGH for IBM
I have wince pdas
I think is last week.. they are gonna talk about the Linux show..
I sat down in meetings with IBM
namaseit: got a Linksys wrt54G
I hate palm pdas
they think its crap
err.. Linux World Expo
well I can't use 801.11g cards
my m100 sucks
linux :)
wireless... but not a wireless device here
yea... that sucks
JasonPerlow: but they made a palm pda, and that sucked
sure
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i have an airport extreme 802.11g
this is G/b
and 802.11b
but the windows integration on palm is great
on qtopia its horrible
so I have 2 apple airports
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ordered a wireless USB keyfob for FRee
they were a friends
JasonPerlow: ah.. your talking about syncing....
windows? oh, that's nice. piece of shit.
and there are otehr major issues, like lack of professional developer tools
802.11b
JasonPerlow: I don't sync
JasonPerlow: I use my Z as a workstation
gonna try to make it work on Linux
the WUSB11 is badass, comes with a 6.5" usb cord
wart: thats who's buying pda's
Just for the challeeng
my bad
6.5'
cool
had it hooked onto the lid of my laptop
well, i'm leaving
linux on a pda will only be very compelling when 1 of 2 things happen
have the BEFCMU10 cable modem
gets great rnage
thanks for the chat guys
1) Wifi hotspots EVERYWHERE
hope this one does
yea
2) high speed wireless internet cellular access EVERYWHERE
got mine off
later gerrynjr
then windows syncing makes no difference
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wireless for now... until get wireless card
for laptop
once you got high speed internet on a PDA, linux makes sense
JasonPerlow: lets hope that McDonald keep opening hotspots.. and u might have No. 1
otherwise its just a me too OS on a PDA
have Linksys WPC11 but its v.4 so it has the Realtek RTL8180L chipset that is closed source
it has nothing compelling to offer right now
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the apps are not of the same quality as palm and CE unfortuantely
JasonPerlow: well at least u can have this chat at ur house infront of the tv on the couch instead infront of the computer...
sure
did i read somewhere inside starbucks a WiFi connection costs about $10,= per hour?
core linux users and power users loved the zaurus
I like the usb wireless cause I can plug it into anything that has usb(old laptop) and it's wirelessly connected
the largest zaurus install was a railroad company
i have 2 laptops and one is old
stock: yeah I heard that... is a... how much would pay?... article
they bought 2000 units
CTX
the other is less than 6 months old
HP
they replaced an application on a notebook with an app on a zaurus
JasonPerlow: dunno, that Zaurus CL looks much bettter than a palm.. or CE
gave it to all their field engieers
one of mine is an old apple powerbook running YellowDog
they had an application that ran in python
I know someone that did that, but they put gentoo on it
pyQT
cool
so they used it to diagnose all teh railroad switching systems in teh field
for those kinds of vertical apps linux is great
iv'e been playing with PyQT
Gentoo crapped out on the install here... went with SuSE / Mandrake 10 / Mandrake 9.2
just lately
on my ex box
JZA well i'd say its the wrong appraoch : sell a monthly subscription for $10,= a month, and have ppl drink your c0ffee and beverages at normal prices , just get the WiFi connected crowd inside
nobody cares about the PIM applications and crap like that
but corporate and end users want good pim software and good sync with windows
Linux sucks at that now
yea
thats why sharp tried to change focus to enterprise
sometimes windows sucks at it too
but they dont have their new unit out yet
with bluescreens galore
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*sometimes*? :)
ok...all the time
MGA: yeah, but linux needs a lot of help in the PDA integration with desktop department
they do
as a stand alone unit though running field applications its excellent
I mean you can ssh from your zaurus
hell you can run apache and php on it
Maybe Motorola and Cellphone integration will help that
I used it to remote admin egullet.com
JasonPerlow: PDA should have phone plugged so is usable
with mysql lite
I cant wait for a Zaurus-Cell phone integration
JZA... yea
JZA: motorola is working on it
give it six months
JZA motorola is working on Linux Cellphones... but not PDA
however I assure you IBM has lots of stuff up its sleeve
Somebody mentioned you can communicate with a cell phone via infrared port on the Zaurus.
good
give it a year or two and they will have some amazing stuff
what happened to the windows ce mobile phones? last thing i read, was that caller-id was malfunctioning.
JZA: soon there won't be a diference
NTT DoCoMo is also working on Linux Cellphones and DoCoMo have Video Cellphones
so hey.. :)
stock: TMobile has a few coming out
first generation ones were not so good
new units are supposed to be better
stock: they kept calling MS homebase. No one knows why :)
arent they always..
JeffGerhardt: what about posting IRC chat archives on the site?
they'll be linux cellphones this year
JasonPerlow here's in holland Orange is offering a subscription with free of charge SMS ... very very attractive, but you wind up with windows ce phone.
I'll email you
most of them in europe though
i have free sms
europe and asia will be the beta test for the US market
let them have the headaches
namaseit who's offering that?
AT&T
but they suck
hmm
:)
I don't know what plan I have
BTW you can get very, very good deals on older zauruses now
like the 5500
well, good night all you geeky geeks
yah 5500 is cheap
the 5500 is still an excellent machine
i need mah booty sleep
namaseit hehe kepped calling to Redmond??!?!? :)
lol :)
get it used for under 200
warthawg: nite
I still use mine religiously
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but dont run the sharp software on it
use openzaurus.org
If I went anywhere I would buy a zaurus
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but until I ship out for boot camp I don't have anything to do
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how about bluetooth hookup to your pc/laptop?
Bluetooth is too limited
mobile phone/PDA i mean
bluetooth is rough
was'nt bluetooth to be everywhere?
and expensive
its good if you have hardware that is compatible and certified
namaseit well 10 meters is enough i would say, for such purposes
my buddy uses it with his palm and his nokia phone
beats irda for sure
it works, but its quirky
i would stick with IR for phone. even crappy ones come with it
JasonPerlow: Which version of OZ u running?
MGALUG bluetooth won't pass the 10 meter (4 yards) limit i would say...
or am i mistaking here
phantom: 3.2, I think
been a while since I upgraded it
theres also TKCrom with all TheKompany apps on it
supposed to be decent
Im torn on theKompany.com
JasonPerlow: 3.3.5 here. Santa just brought me my 5500 and I love it. But I must say Opera is a disappointment.
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I hate them, yet I like them
yeah Konqueror is much better
hmm interview : "Paul Mockapetris On The Future of DNS" on /.
PhantomsDad, you can put konq on it
one to read
JasonPerlow: Really, I thought Konq was "rough".
it works good
stock: yah I read that one
i dont really browse on my Z
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primarily use it for email access and IM
namaseit i just cam home, when show was in progress :(
my 5500 is serial number 10
JasonPerlow: OK, will give it a try. Opera was supposed to do a great job of sizing websites to the small screen, but it doesn't really seem to do that very well. I use elinks instead.
came even
I've beaten the hell out if it
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my screen is kinda messed up a little
I need to get a new unit
welll.. night all
I'm hoping the new HP gets a Openzaurus port soon
the new HP with the keyboard
later mga
I really want a pda to come with usb *in* it, not just usb hook-up
yeah USB hosting is cool but it requires a lot of power
JasonPerlow: The Z 7000 and 8000 series are interesting with the 640x480 screen, but expensive.