12.16.2003 irc

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yup
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http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/16/2135206
[the newsforge article covering it. feel free to vent there. :]
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after reading these forbes "articles", I really don't see why it's considered a Big Finance Magazine.
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hello
Add John Carroll to the Dildo, Enderle, and Lyons list
What's the 6,000 year old sex thing about?
Hello Jeff.
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do you guys actually think a 54 year old grandma would be right into linux?
seems suspect to me
hey Jeff
no its just a funny story
lol
go read it
It's link is broke Jeff
its a hoot
heya, jeff
Maybe, My Grandad was 63 When he learned to program in C
I'll google it and see if I can find the story.
* jdub sees his irc log light up with highlights
JeffGerhardt: hi, i don't have dial-in details yet :-)
if you read her Groklaw postings, you'll believe it.
ah, found it: http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3717283&p1=0
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so anyone else buy NWN:HotU?
jdub> you do now. I did not get your email until after I had already sent out the info. I sort of presumed that it would get forwarded
Namaseit : I'm still too busy playing the freeware RTCW:ET
well dont buy it
test it now
Bioware is being a bunch of bastards
not releasing any binaries for linux
JeffGerhardt: aha. ;-) thanks
but yah ET rules
btw
do you know why there seems to be like 1/10 as many servers listing?
yeah, ET is great :)
we are once again looking for mirror sites
or is it just me?
JeffGerhardt: how much bandwidth do you guys go through for the archived shows?
need one on UK, one in NZ, one in AU
ohh.. an NZ/AU mirror would be sweet :)
JeffGerhardt: jason andrade
JeffGerhardt: get in touch with jason
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Blueyonder does a lot of Linux mirroring ( Including Debian ) in the UK
everyone see about userlinux? gnome only!
jdub I hate to ask but could you contact him. I hate introducing myself to people who have no idea who I am or what TLS is
JeffGerhardt: heh, sure.
t minus 35
Namaseit: wheres the problem? :P
well
not even including qt library is kind of a problem
* jdub is sure that will come up in the show.
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I see it as it's only going to hurt the users of "UserLinux"
who knows where KDE *or* Gnome will be in a year.
* segfault passes Namaseit a sense of humour
:)
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;-)
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yah, im sure we'll see some bloodshed on tonights show hehe
or rather in here during the show
why is that?
well, maybe not
I think the problem is not so much in picking Gnome but not providing the Libs means dependancy hell for the Users. Its bad enough without delibratley making it more difficult
it shouldn't be dep hell if it uses apt
But the KDE/Qt stuff won't be available through APT if its not in the distro at all.
which it is debian
well Bruce said it would
but who knows at this point
UserLinux is just paper right now
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evening
leonscape: just point apt to some kde/qt packages
hmmm as i was wanting to read the linuxgazette, which one should i select???? .com .org or .net ?
.net
Namaseit i thought so, but ... ehhh... wtf is going on ??
.com wants .net to stop using linuxgazette name
segfault: but isn't that the point of UserLinux to make it easier? messing with background source list kinda defeats the object of the Distro
Namaseit so basicly a name quarrel?
well i think instead of choosing one, they should unit them, but eh.
yah
Namaseit cough
.com says its theirs and no one else can use it
Namaseit so ehh who are the orginal founders of linuxgazette? .com or .net?
leonscape: isn't it going to be easier for a non-linux user if they don't have to choose what desktop they want?
my grandma has no idea what the difference is between KDE and GNOME
t minus 27
but the point of UserLinux isn't for regular users like mom and pop, its for businesses
thats what Bruce keeps saying
Namaseit i thought its the ppl of linuxgazette.net
yah its .net
degfault: thats fine. Thats not the problem I forsee, The problem I think will be when they come to try and install other software. Picking one or the other is fine.
we are already $200 toward our goal for the hybrid
JeffGerhardt: nice! we just need a bunch more money ;-)
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"that s what bruce said" is not a reason or motivation for anything
Namaseit so basicly SSC bookstores is playing a nasty legal game then? do they have any rights then?
good day all
I just think ultimately it hurts the users, depriving them of features of KDE that might suit them better or make their experience better.
but hey, doesn't matter to me. I'm not going to be using UserLinux
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yeah, nobody is forcing you to use it
if there were no users to userlinux what would they call it?
SSC says that the linuxgazetter rights were transferred to them, but the others don't agree
LinuxOne
i'm sticking with Debian. I have no reason to switch.
I'll stay with Slackware
:)
hehe
I'll stick to gentoo
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btw, if you haven't read this months *real* linuxgazette, you will notice it is a much better read than it has been for many months. I'm kind of glad they made the switch to the new site.
Namaseit:Me too, and XFCE
:D
Namaseit basicly its : the papertrail says SCC is owner, but the founders disagreed and started linuxgazette.net instead
?
gentoo is nice but I dont like dependency checking cause it screws stuff up
such as?
SSC even
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well you get a package with 3 dependencies, those each have 2, then one package is broken in the chain and the whole system is fubar.
Namaseit: can't say I've had any screwups yet
*yet*
:)
phil hughes does nothing without a contract
what do you mean by broken?
or written documentation
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this is a silly ego motivated pissing contest that will benefit few in the long run
it's a big ado about nothing. One or the other will switch to another name and that'll be the end of it.
JeffGerhardt so even the papertrail (if there's any) doesn't empower SSC to own linuxgazette?
meldroc: yeha, pretty much
not handled properly, you'll have system libs trying to find each other but they were never installed because their chain of dependency was broken
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hey people here already thats good
lo Jzarecta
Jzarecta its gonna be even more crowded i assume
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Namaseit: its not really limited to gentoo, is it
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look even Arne /joined
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great, so Gnome 2.4 today yeeaaay
stock -- what did you expect?
I still havent been able to get the damn thing to work on my mandrake 9.2 though
well with auto-dependency checking it increases your chances by about 500%
anyway, Xfce4 keeps me happy enough
Arne JZA was astonished to find 30 ppl in here 20 mins before the show :)
* Arne uses E
xfce4 on my laptop right now
even though my laptop is faster then my desktop, lol
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stock: yeah this channel is comming more of a lounge for all of us
Arne BTW what happened to thelinuxshow@ mailinglist? does it still work?
rehi David
stupid ancient laptop
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man, I need caffeine
XP2000+, 512mb ram, 40gig hd. Crappy vid card though
stupid ATI IGP320
Anyone care to comment on the results from the Information Society Summit in Geneva and it's Outcome
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Who's responsible for this music playing? Pump on some dream theater. ;)
heh
No whining about the music is allowed... ;-)
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JZA i guess the ID cards with conceiled RFID tags are becoming collectors items :)
jza: not sufficient info yet to comment
jeremy: feel free to supply some royalty free music :)
Toh-GAH!
Toh-GAH!
yah no kiding
maybe we should invite LPI guys again to tell us what up over there
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fwiw, I've heard rumors that HP will be shipping Linux Laptops. Only certain models, but still....
yah, their gonna be crappy laptops im sure
Trelane: which countries? :)
Trelane -- That's *huge* news.... Where did you hear that....
i just want freaking broadcom drivers
Hi kids!
and RTL8180L drivers
* Trelane coughs
It's a Rumour
stupid realtek makes crap drivers for linux so we can't use it anyways
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I cite no sources.
Hello Arne, ~Zeke
broadcom..
I'm running an ATI AIW 7500. Drivers are cutting edge. Not everything works... Pshaw!!!
freaking morons compiled against redhat kernel instead of vanilla
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IIRC, they're only certifying right now, shipping maybe later 2004
so don't say nuffin' 'till it's official
Question: Has anybody tried the new Xandros Version 2?
nope
t minus 15
lol
who is spartacus?
we are once again looking for mirror sites
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we should make a perl script that is a countdown timer to the show
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to display it every 5 minutes in here
Xandro looks too much like Window to waste the time
segfault: I am SPARTACUS!
SPARTACUS! who?
:)
I am spartucus
well I don't hate Xandros. they are just doing their thing. Doesn't mean I have to use it
no, we should make a python script to do that.
eh whatever gets the job done
jaye: Spartacus is me :-)
*agrees with Namaseit*
awwww, can't we even have a teensy religious war to pass the time?
really teeeensy?
KDE IS BETTER!!!!!! BOW DOWN!!!
there happy???
HITLER USED KDE!
JeffGerhard : In the case of a relative of Sadam - He is sparticus ( can I have that 25Million now ?)
damn right
OK, Godwin's law invoked. Religious war done.
er
Thankyou. :)
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lol
What's to be happy about? KDE is better!
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KDE rocks
programmatically I think kde framework and qt is better
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i like KDE better... GNOME is also not bad... however QT is the difference i would say
but thats just me
KDE as too much bloat but i like it
GObject is a pain in the arse
Sadam hussein use KDE but Bush uses Windows ME
technically KDE has gotten much smaller from release to release
KDE may be a chunka bloat, but it's less than GNOME (with Nautilus)
however key apps in KDE desktop are still OpenOffice, GAIM , etc. :)
there is a link on the site on how to set up a mirror
Namaseit : TEchnically QT still sufferes from being C++ based. C is better for providing a plaform framwork for Unix.
gnucash etc. :)
C++ is better for designing guis
stock: I am curious about that kde utility to sync the cellphone
thankfully OOo is better the Kate and all the others
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object oriented programming owns joo :)
Namaseit: C++ is just another language
t minus 10
jeff: 10 minutes?
7 to webley
OOo reign supreme
yes but when things are objects its easy to manage things and reuse them
JZA: It's probably just a front end to Multi-sync.
I second that - JZA
JZA i never tried these things... yet :)
Namaseit: OO is a methodology, not a language feature
:\
You can do OO in on MSBasic.
s/on/old/
how come all the KDE people turn up on the day we have GNOME on TLS? :)
sjohnson -- Argggh!!!! MSBASIC???? Who uses that????
i really wonder what that Java Desktop System from Sun is all about... someone told me its just plain Linux... Sun is exploiting the Java name here?
im here every week :)
stock: it's just a branding exercise
segfault : Ask Bruce.
stock: it's suse + gnome
If Bush uses win ME and Saddam uses KDE than what do they type their propaganda with?
* Arne wants an MSBASIC emulator for Linux so that I can run all the *good* code.... hehehe
JDS is just Gnome
NZheretic: what has bruce got to do with it?
nothing else
Arne: I do occasionally. I switch on my old TRS-80 model I :)
stock: (plus some other fancy sun things)
poprun. bbiab
jdub SuSE+Gnome? hmm ain't that the _turf_ of Novell???
http://www.userlinux.com/GUI.html
stock: Libranet + Enlightenment - thanks to Arne
quasarkitten WMDE
sjohnson -- It's no Applesoft BASIC, though.
stock: yes, this has presented a teeny little problem for sun. :-)
heehee
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hmmm
novell now own the base os of jds
there is a StarBasic
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isn't sun thinking about using another distro? I heard something about that. Like a distro that isn't commercially owned by any company
I currently much prefer the abiword/gnumeric line up to OOo's line up.
hi folks
Arne: True. But it's what I cut my teeth on WRT higher level languages.
vi baby :)
Namaseit: it's all up in the air. they may continue using suse.
jdub big Corporations are beating each other to "death" using software tools downloadable from the Internet??
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sjohnson -- just some friendly leg-pulling... ;-)
new religious war....vi or emacs?
stock: they're cooperating and competing. enter freedom. :-)
emacs
emacs
emacs
heh :)
nano
as an editor or operating system?
nano is for wimps :)
hehe
pico
I use cat(1) myself
Arbiter -- rotflmao
ed
no I hate nano cause it word wraps, same for pico
how about elvis :)
because ed is the editor
Arne: I know. The Trash 80 was a tremdendous upgrade from my previous programming method. Hand-coding machine instructions.
:)
Namaseit: nano -w filename
too much
t minus 5
Namaseit: its not *that* hard, come on
2 minutes to webley
Give me a DEC System-10 any day...
yes it is
well i suppose you could alias it
;)
yup
was just gonna suggest that :)
geez look at all that news url's on the website... is time flying at the pace of light?
5 MINUTES TO SHOW TIME!
* sjohnson wonders if he could fit a TCP/IP stack in 4K of RAM?
hehe
there has to be a way
anyone teach elementary / jr high here?
im sure
actually im just learning tcp/ip sockets and stuff
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http://kswaret.sourceforge.net
not advertising or anything
nano, as compared to vi*, is annoying because it makes any non-trivial edit feel like work :)
just a project im working on
Arne DEC system 10? pdp10 you mean?
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is swaret the Slack package installer?
sorta
pkgtool is really
Arne or pdp11/10 ?
What's swaret?
swaret is a network util like apt-get for slackware packages
http://www.swaret.org
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Will it resolve dependencies?
hi fedoraguy
T - 10?
jose: yes
JeffGerhardt : I have the SOLUTION to the bandwith problem P2P !!!!
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http://www.peercast.org/
Finally, will it work with Vector Linux?
:\
dont know
vector use pkg's?
I think I'm asking for the "free beer" hat for Christmas.
er .tgz packages
Yes, it is based on Slack
oh
Arbiter: they look pretty nice :)
well then I dont see why not
1 minute
<--- shaves his head, needs to wear hats all the time anyway
Arbiter -- Is the beer free, or is the free beer hat free?
I'll have to give it a shot
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I believe the hat is free insofar as I am free to wear it when and where I choose.
Xinu was started on on October 3rd, 1977
it is not free of charge
;)
so when was Unix started?
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meep meep
stock: ask SCO
Welcome, everybody, to The Linux Show IRC. Show will begin in a couple of minutes.
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and what do these 2 names have with each other?
hi Arne
* viking667 waves over to the other NZer
Hi all.
WOW We are already 54
great
hi back
Download http://www.peercast.org/ and run the peercast server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast
rehi everybody.
Ask SCO--hahahhaaha, that's a knee slapper!
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Enter http://church.ibssnet.com:8000/linuxlive.mp3
I can't believe it' but I just decided to print out SCO's case vs. IBM, exhibits and all...
eeesh.
Who is playing? You need to plug the artists
stock: xinu is not unix is not xinu? or something.
viking667: I'm an NZ'er too :)
so why was Xinu even started? which one was first? Xine or Unix? or are UNIX Admins pretty silent about that one?
/query Darl so Darl, when exactly was UNIX created?
that'll be a few trees
McGurk: Yes would be my guess
:)
s/Xine/Xinu?
***** We're BACK!! *****
Yes'ish
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WOOHOO
:)
kde3.2-beta2 is totally sweet
* windowsrefund prebuffers
i know im running it on my desktop :)
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we're back! :)
Namaseit: ibiblio?
say what?
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what happened ot the linuxshow mailinglist?
hello?
yay! Made it in time!
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Are you using ibiblio as you mirror? I am, I think theres lag.
I still have KDE 3.0 running on my desktop - lol
GNOME 2.5.1 is really sweet too :)
mirror for? the kswaret site?
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter t
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maybe I'll mirror off WindowsRefund.net
oh i see
can y'all delay a bit? I gotta snag a glass of ice. :)
that might be fun
nm
whats a minimum amount of bandwidth needed for a modest mirror?
Mirror, or stream source?
no I don't notice lag
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I'll need to read that howto of course
and im using ibiblio
are there stats on how many streams are being served each Tuesday? IRC attendance keeps going up...
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter one of the mp3 URLs from the Linuxshow web page.
Thats what I thought, theres a tad of a loag for me...
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Iwonder if a bittorrent like streaming protocol is practical?
or lag...
yeah! BitTorrent Streaming!
(if that even exists)
ouchies
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter one of the mp3 URLs from the Linuxshow web page.
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ibiblio is way cool. They support Groklaw as well
well i got ripped off on buying NWN:Hordes of the Undertide so I got no money to spare
* windowsrefund hopes he gets a job so he can dontate
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Anyone else hearing mono right speaker only?
dang bioware and no binaries
fedoraguy install redhat 9 :)
Y?
Stereo here.
why would he step down?
nope
fedoraguy just kidding :)
danke
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isn't it 3:06 CST now?
fedoraguy i have sound on center speaker :P
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sweet, christmas presents
:)
Namaseit: What was the NWN problem ? I am planning to buy for my son
fedoraguy its mono anyway
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter one of the mp3 URLs from the Linuxshow web page. Point your broswer to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=mychans
Bioware isn't releasing any binaries for NWn:HotU
Yeah, but shouldn't be 1 speaker
yet
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ok I'll wait for LWE to get the hat. In the meantime, I'll get a domain
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they keep saying sometime next week, then the weekend, then early next week, now its tuesday I can't play the game i bought from Bioware
Something wierd with the mixer, I'm running ALSA. Oh well.
namaseit: at all?
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nope
blah
not until Bioware releases the 1.60 patch for NWN
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I got a pornographic "Chicks love Linux" mug for a friend for ye old office party.
Where is the Free beer hat Url?
I saw a post today saying probably not till after christmas since most people are out on vacations
fedoraguy run the aumix mixer (i.e. the mixer from ALSA themselves)
yah i hate bioware
McGurk, www.linuxitch.com
Free Beer Hat is listed on the TLS home page.
ctrl + F hat
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gwydion Thanks
Welcome, Zeke, to the Linux Show.
Thank you Arne
irc is better'n call-in anyway
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Zeke!
my 1st time
yep yep
A free beer hat, is that related to GNU/Linux?
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has Tux on it
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wife has OK'ed giving our future first child a Tux stuffed animal. :)
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del taco rules
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Indoctrination must begin early.
not as good as In n' Out though
nothing beats In n' Out
The wind is shaking my windows
my wife barely approved giving *me* a Tux stuffed animal.
del taco sucks IMHO, but in-and-out...
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heh
cafilornia knows not cold
Oregon does :)
KevDude http://www.easternelectronics.co.uk/gentner.htm ukp 2400,= ... hmm stiff price
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my street was flooded this weekend
heh
Glad your in Chicago and I left!
I use to live in Northern Indiana so I had my far share
farmer's almanac has been right so far
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I didn't do it, I only have 56k :)
ewwww
:O
see! it's the kiwis fault!
Yaeh! That's US!
;
;)
* Trelane pats his DSL link
I second that motion. I'm in canberra,
canberra!
http://www.reasoning.com/newsevents/pr/12_15_03.html
oh foo... my 56k just died - again.
* Namaseit bitch slaps my comcast cable modem
i hate comcast
Second capital of Australia, after Sydney. ;)
heh
lol
ohhh only $3149.= for the 6-line version : http://www.ramsyscom.com/supply/phonesystems/phonesyshome.html
yah, *only*
hehe
Namaseit hey! communication is priceless! :)
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter one of the mp3 URLs from the Linuxshow web page. Point your broswer to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=mychans
at least your gubmin'ts getting into Linux
irc is free!
* mcleodnine figures it's all the folks at 216.250.128.12 sucking away at TLS bandwith (between visits to jobs.com)
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:)
stupid .us gubmint is deep in Microsoft's pocket. :(
its deep in every corporations pocket
hrm... no stream - only this time, it's because I keep falling off it...
http://www.vnunet.com/News/1151517
especially oil
Anyone every used SuSE 9.0 pro? thinking about getting it
quasarkitten: installed for my mom
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lol coo
quasar: I'm thinking about it too. I wnat a copy, and need to upgrade mom, dad, and brother's systems.
very much a no-brainer distro
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yup
* Trelane has been pretty impressed with SuSE
Saddam being caught was more important...
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beagle 2 :)
yah I have to say Yast is pretty impressive for what it does
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quasarkitten I have. Very slick
that's one small step for penguin, one giant leap for penguinkind.
Yeah I read alot about it and it seem worth the 50 dollars *Im a student*
They mentioned in a documentry on BBC2 in the UK that Beagle2 used Linux
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is it much of an improvement over 8.2?
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mmmm, Linux powered space craft...*drools*
heh
I don't know. It uses newer stuff and is ready for 2.6.0 kernel
its typical Discovery Channel documentary stuff
but its your choice
:)
Trelane Yast has improved a lot and the Look and Feel is much slicker.
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your also paying for support
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which is worth something, i guess
2.6 is a must
I bought Suse 9.0 pro and I don't really like it after three weeks. I fdisked and am playing with Debian Sarge and Fedora again.
mmmmmm 2.6.0-test11
stoned beaver
:) hehe
Its beagle2 after Cooks original Beagle ship that expolred Autralia
The Online install is available for Suse 9 so try it and see if you like it
yah right
install for 2 days
beagle2 has had quite a bit of coverage over here
their ftp servers are so slow
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Scotter:what didn't you like about SUSE 9.0?
I haven't had the guts to try a 2.6.0-testn kernel yet -- should I get up the nerve?
JeffGerhardt: HMS Beagle was the ship that carried Darwin to the galopogas? islands - the mission of beagle 2 is to look for the evolution of life on mars
Namaseit USe a mirror There is tons of them
Yeah i tried the ftp thing but is was super slow
in other news, it was revealed that the Mars Polar Lander was running Microsoft Windows NT....
galapagos*
just cause its test doesn't mean it isn't stable
improved look and feel like what?
You can pretty easily put 2.6 kernel on a fedora1 system. Fedora2 will come with it
my mail server has been running all of the 2.6.0 series and hasn't failed yet
Does FC1 have the right module tools, etc?
scooter: what didn't you like?
it should
Pretty much, yes. Almost complete
It particular, it doesn't support my thinkpad as well as either Fedora off the CD or frankly Debian. Thinklight, brightness buttons, the little thinks
I know it's pretty darn stable, it was more of an (abstract) fear of switching costs (mostly psychological in building the thing)
Arbiter: depends on your distribution, i'd imagine. we've been running 2.6.0 since test5, i think, and it's pretty solid, save a IDE CD-ROM mount panic/freeze and some Via chipset snafus.
Thhat and I really miss apt-get install miscapp
I'm strictly LFS now.
hmm
My only prob with 2.6 is I have an lvm1 raid, 2.6 is lvm2.
I like SuSE for the simple user (e.g. mom, dad, brother)
yah i bought the LFS 4.0 book
LFS was pretty cool, but I got a bit bored with it after a while
LFS is good learning tool
went to gentoo and have never looked back :)
i got tired of keeping it updated
NZheretic:
* Trelane is gonna put Gentoo on the new laptop, whenever HP decides to ship it
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http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/index.html
damn.
NZheretic: trying peercast. Do I need to open some ports on the firewall?
I never did install rpm apt on it but I am screwing around with my ATI 3d chipset drivers. Damn binary packages
probably
ewww ati?
:-)
Namaseit: yeah, keeping it updated was a challenge
well, yeah, I don't follow LFS literally anymore. But all my systems are (great-great-grand)-children of LFS, one way or the other.
fooey... still no stream
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How good is gentoo support for new software, patches, etc?
I had real package removal though, so that part was easy :)
fedoraguy: very good
i like slackware cause with checkinstall utility i can compile and make pkgs easily
fedoraguy: gentoo can be as bleeding edge as you wanna be. :)
Gentoo is good but damn, I don't have that much time
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heh
yeah
its not that bad :)
yah and the GDB install of gentoo defeats the point of gentoo
otoh, you can customize it for your machine.
Iraq
hole in Iraq
Scotter: once it's installed and set up, gentoo doesn't really require any more time than debian to maintain, in my experience.
"Windows XP, the most current version of Windows, was found on just 6.6 percent of the machines. " http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5121458.html
well gentoo's init system sucks
its nice being able to choose whats installed and compiled
most ppl agree with that
it does?
Just look at SourceForge and see
MarcN : Allow on port 7144 7145 if they are blocked by the firewall ( http://localhost:7144/admin?page=settings )
I've found it to be good actually
I will agree but the setup is hideous and I am used to compiling from source on BSD
in business use
how does it suck?
600 of a kind beats 2 pair with an Ace in the hole
slow
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Most inhouse projects does not make it either
I don't see it being slow
Namaseit, slow??? Did you compile a kernel for your system?
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McGurk: our government just cancelled a software project after they spent $2m on it
yes
'ello all..
ey
everyone made your windows 98 series Patch CDs for when MSFT discontinues 98 support? :)
Namaseit: so set RC_PARALLEL_STARTUP in /etc/rd.c/rc :)
wild... The only slow distro I have tried was Slack....
opensource or not has indeed nothing to do with running a succesfull business... if you sell a product open or closed, one is liable normally. it all comes down to if your installed base is happy.
Segfault Talk to the IRS in UK, about botched projects EDS
Trelane: LOL
McGurk: hehe :)
my slackware system boots to console in less then 10 seconds
burned the Win98 cds last year
literally burned them
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heh
Linux:lol
Awsome... I use it on a 300MHz AMD.. It doesn't even spin up the drives in 10 seconds!
I still need mine. I paid for it, I might as well keep it around.
yea... mY win4lin needs them
tax software still doesn't grok everyting yet, so I need a 'doze os for it.
got old ones from work
http://www.ubergeek.tv/fiasco/
i ran turbotax successfully in wine
wow
version?
don't remember
its lingering around somewhere
the DRM'd TurboTax?
omg that game is awesome
what version is that?
wine lingers ... so does TurboTax
wow "Oracle's Wim Coekaerts, director of Linux engineering at the company, said the Sept. 11, 2001 destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City led users to replace destroyed systems with Intel boxes running Linux. He cited the incident as one example of a growing acceptance of Linux. "
last years
I think thats the one I have
whoa
* jdub has joined.
im pretty sure it is, :-\
problem is that I worry about some bug only coming out after the IRS decides they want to audit me. :)
:)
if I run it in vmware, it's gonna be fine
or so you think :)
muahahaha
heh
isn't vmware getting bought?
supposedly
got bought by emc
says so at vmware.com
vmware is being bought out for $600 x10^9 +
Trelane why would EMC want to run VMware??
if only there were something worth _watching_ on that TV.
dunno
but they did
vmware.com
IN CASH
pOz3r Yes, EMC for 650M$ cash +-
vmware is way too bloated ... slows my system way down... even without actually running VM .
Scotter i want my money back! :)
$6e11, huh?
?
but a must at work
not been my experience
Opps
what about win4lin?
I believe this was a few orders of mag off
for all we know, the IRS may have bribed developers into putting "bugs" in TurboTax that cause it to overestimate taxes and trigger audits.
heard good things about win4lin, but I wnat to also have different distros in a vm
s'ok
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wifi is a security hol
hole
and the NT series
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looks kind of stupid to me
win4lin... have here
* meldroc dons his tinfoil hat
if you like Win98
since it goes up to Me only
where are these displays?
url
Scotter if VMWare is being served off by the side door by EMC, i want my vmware workstation fee back :)
JZA: or rather "Wifi can be a security hole"
yeah im a big win 98 user lol
Anyone using kernel 2.6?
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i installed it a few weeks ago.
qgonjon 2.6.0-test9
I'm on test11 now
http://www.theregister.com/content/61/34523.html
i'm running test9, gives me a nice speed boost
I have big problems with it on my work box, tho.
for the none-geek it will
computer fair rocks!!!
:X
NZheretic: what's the URL for these screens they are talking about??
I enable sound, play some muzak, and it crashes so hard it loses random files on /
what hardware are you running?
here, or work?
s/speed boost/interactivity boost/ :)
I had that problem on my Libranet 2.7 with KDE
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter one of the mp3 URLs from the Linuxshow web page. Point your broswer to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=mychans
poor doc! :D
Trelane:what kernel?
I've noticed the flash animations and videos are much smoother than they used to be under 2.6
namaseit: 2.6.0-test11
meldroc, chrib, Trelane is all your hardware recognized, for example, sound with ALSA or your cdrom writer?
speed boost too, especially on SMP systems.
peercast://pls/E583335A9CDC2338CB2BFBE527E505A5
yes
well, alsmost
We definitely see Linux as the new proprietary in-house RTOS," ???? propiatary?
alsa's working fine, so is my burner.
meldroc: oh, the scheduler, yeah
running straight atapi, no ide-scsi. B)
has problems recognizing the sound chip, but it works if I activate the chip first with pnpinit
so, i was just about to dial in
well if they develope in house they dont have to release changes, and distribute in house as well
and realised my call card was maxed out
I had concerns reading an article about the broken ide-scsi driver, Thanks!
yopi is cool too and it has the GTK
very quick run down to the shop ;)
I though Linux was taking a step back with kernel 2.6 when it came to hardware support.
you don't need ide-scsi anymore to burn cds, unless you want to use cdrdao
Yopi had an awful article which critizise the fact they got GTK instead of Qt
qgonjon:what???
qg: not really
GPL Violators!!!
i've been thinking about trying the NPTL with 2.6, but i'm worried that there are too many things that will break
wasn't FSF going after them?
$59
Namaseit, I just wanted to know if Kernel 2.6 will have driver issues with my current hardware.
same hub
staples
oh
nice
China.
whats the point in critizing someone for picking one thing instead of something else?
LinkSYS can be hacked? gimmi the # sign! :)
qg: unlikely
no it shouldn't
WRT54G
Uh, run fedora? NPTL has been there since RH9
hmm.. I have a WAP11 :)
it uses a new driver framework
Linksys is violating the GPL right?
windowsrefund yep
so 2.4 drivers can't be used with 2.6
Trelane, thanks. I hope to use Kernel 2.6 soon!
no
thats what im saying
I wish I got the LinkSKI router *ski inside joke* I got a D-link
but 2.6 has all the drivers you need
stock: I'm starting to remember...
I don't know if they are violating now because they released some kind of software they were using
meldroc which utility do you now use to burn cds?
what about the GPL
if you require a 3-rd party driver that doesn' tsupport 2.6 yet, it won't work until someone updates it
tftp
i use k3b
k3b is sweet
ouch cisco build LinkSys?
if you rely on builtin kernel drivers, they should be fine
xcdroast works too, as well as straight cdrecord
k3b is good
ouch cisco bought LinkSys i mean ...
?
cool. I need to read up
k3b rocks!
cdrecord is good
why is it beeping?
stock: yeah, ages ago
k3b made xmms not able to play cd's anymore..
Stock a long time ago
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Trelane: people phoning in
I tend to use mkisofs and cdrecord
* p0z3r made it work again though.
well even if you have an nvidia card you can patch it for 2.6
the beeps are when people call in?
its not hard at all
thought you couldn't call in.
yikes
knoppix plus K3b saves my windows files
Nameseit, I saw an article pointing to how you can convert your old drivers to work with 2.6 kernel. So I thought many applications would be broken if certain drivers were not supported in kernel 2.6.
Cisco Support vovida
nope
riight
i did the patch thing to get the nvidia drivers working in 2.6. haven't had any problems.
vovida is an open source based on VoIP and most of their proyect is founded by Cisco
Disable dhcpd and use it as a hub
I wonder if GNU will modify vmrs to complain if dmesg reports that a Linksys device is attached to the system. Ha! That'd be sweet
meldroc what'd you have to do exactly?
vrms I mean
yah, ive been rocking RTCW:ET in 2.6 with nvidia drivers for awhile now
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you need to download a patch from minion.de? there are instructions on the site on how to do it.
I got the acceleration with nvidia as well; bbut it oopsed sometimes [well, proto-oopsed]
heh remember the dhcp client bug inside Linksys?
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http://minion.de/ is right
only thing I want next xfree86 for is ati igp drivers for my laptop
anyone know if the lowlatency patches will come to 2.6 or does 2.6 inherently obsolete them?
Namaseit, glad to here Nvidia works with 2.6 since I have an Nvidia Geforce 3
it generated a DOS storm to the ntp-server of a US university
well it does, and it doesnt
iirc, lowlatency is builtin to 2.6
we need to get Linux more friendly to hook on line
but I may be wrong
Linksys does have a bunch of GPL code available for download here: http://www.linksys.com/support/gpl.asp
you have to go to minion.de and get their patch
talking about PPP
and follow their directions
I thought he IGP already works
2.6 has preempt, but lowlatency is relative
JZA: dial-up or what?
There is still the GPL todo bettween FSF, Cisco and Broadcom.
yeah dial-up
terracon:i haven't gotten it to work
yea
Supported ATI drivers for direct-rendering:
still using vesa
way too many modems do not work with Linux...
Linux is extremely easy on LAN but horribly for dial-up
winmodems mostly
ATI drivers bite
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but even when ur modem DO work, still a painful process for the newbies to get on line
2.6 does have a new driver for some winmodems.
ohh.. where does jeff live? ;-)
I can get a lowlatency patch including lowlatency.h for 2.4.x but not yet for 2.6
/dns
heh
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Linux, that's not true! Way to many manufactures starting selling non-modems. . .
http://dri.sourceforge.net/dri_status.phtml
Friend has wirless extender antenna in the attic for broadcasting to anyone he feels needs broadband
using linksys
Ati has been pretty helpful though. They actually contribute code and get cards out to devels.
chrisb: i don't think latency is a problem for desktop users of 2.6
"Netgear Routers DoS UWisc Time Server" http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/22/1454233&mode=thread&amp;tid=126&tid=128&tid=156&tid=95
ati sure has a funny way of showing it
just point a directional dish at it and you're on the net
* Trelane is using a cisco pcmcia card + d-link ap + linksys cf card for his Z
adsl modems have poor linux support, but most winmodems work
There just isn't any market for linux desktop so video card makers don't give a crap. The only reason nvidia does theirs is only for the quaddro NOT for geforce
converter probably not. But all of the advice for people using ALSA+JACK+Ardour DAW suggest using the patch
well I have a linksys WPC11 but its version 4
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if i go adsl, i'm inclined to get something that goes through ethernet like cable modems
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=75716&threshold=0&commentsort=0&tid=126&tid=128&tid=156&tid=95&mode=thread&cid=6842309
I just ordered a d-link G520 for my upcoming mythtv box, and am getting some Atheros-based integrated G wireless in my new laptop
meldroc: that's what I have
but the quaddro and geforce use the same chip so quaddro support will work on geforce
not sure who is getting adsl cards
yea... the 64bit is where things are going to... NVIDIA's got to support them
doesn't make much sense to me. :)
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are there wireless-G drivers for LInux yet?
nvidia does support 64-bit
was really cool; they even had a checkbox for linux when I signed up. ;)
Lowes Home Improvement centers are running Linux... in some form
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,88191,00.html
not that I know of
from the login screens at least.
iirc, nvidia already has amd64 drivers on their site.
Are ATI drivers bin like nvidia, or real source?
jpe: yes
"We have more people supporting a handful of Windows users than roughly 7,000 Linux systems," Prince said. He added that the Linux systems "just sit there and don't break. They run and run and run. People can't mess them up. They don't get messed up on their own. Unless there's a hardware problem, we almost never have to do anything with them."
fedoraguy: you can extract the nvidia drivers
ATI only does proprietary binary only drivers now. As far as I know
thanks NZ
Bin and suck worse than the ATI Windows drivers
fedora: new ones are bin like nvidia; they've released specs to the X developers for everything up thru Radeon 9700
proprietary binary only or nothing
scotter: they do?
I feel they do
scotter: what are you talking about, ive been using nvidia linux drivers for a long time no probs
9700 is r300 and no one has docs for that
somebody needs to run their binaries through a disassembler and reverse-engineer them. lawyers be damned
i get like 10,000 fps in glxgears
NZheretic: URL?
I'm talking about ATI drivers
oh
well yah
ati is worst driver support ever
nevermind
terracon: I thought the xwin developers did
Namaseit: much better than SiS
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,88191,00.html
Trelane: nope no one has docs
cheers to Groklaw
Damn I wish nVidia would release a fast chipset again
my ti4200 is fast enough for right now
wow China, Uk and India in 3 weeks
Trelane: ATI seems to only want to give docs out to companies/corporations , Not any invidivuals
thats fast
`mrmmmmm. /me can't help out with that SCO stuff...
terracon: they gave me docs on my anicent card
* viking667 must check that out again....
are there any video cards out there with open source drivers that don't suck?
hell ATI wouldn't even give help to game developers like the Savage developers
***We'll be right back***
Trelane: ancient card isn't r300
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meldroc:nope
true
voodoo cards?
yep the sco kernel coders still exist... do we have to ask FBI surveillance for these ppl??
well the savage video cards
Namaseit: for linux or for windows?
:)
yay, more great music ;)
Namaseit: for linux well DUH no money in that unless you like throwing money down the drain
Legacy ATI Rage enjoys good Linux support.
terracon:both
VooDoo was well supported by mesa
basically anything that's not Nvidia sucks
due to driver availability
lack thereof
S3 8)
Savage(the game) had horrible ati support, but had awesome Nvidia support because they went the extra mile for Savage devs
--- You are now known as MGALUG
too many video cards have TV-out, which implies Macrovision. That's why drivers are closed. :mad:
JeffGerhardt: you there?
just noticed my nick...
Namaseit: like I said the only reason nvidia drivers exist is because of the quadro cards. They don't give a crap about geforce. Linux sales doesn't make them any money but the pro cards are actually a new market and that does make money
Must be free music.
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was Linux Dude on freenode... forgot to change
hello mgalug
hey
was going under Linux alias..
linuxshow music is getting muted
MGALUG: you been on Undernet too?
lol
nope
terracon: yah but they do have the linux(however small) market locked for 3d graphics
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in business, every number matters
terracon: weren't the drivers released before the quadro cards were out?
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So do binary kernel modules and drivers violate the GPL?
's funny. I've seen a MGALUG on Undernet too...
cool
at the very least, somebody should dissect nvidia's drivers just to pick out all the macrovision secrets & broadcast them all over the net.
Discuss among yourselves
scotter: according to Linus, no
that's our group's acronym
Scotter: only if the sourcecode isn't released to the public
Macon GA Linux User Group
http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TrillianProject#Ransom_Love_s_Linuxworld_2000_Ke
viking667:no
Namaseit: the desktop stuff is just a charity. It's all about quadro. That's what funds the development
Namaseit: hrmm?
--- You are now known as nomasteryoda
i just lost my ogg stream
Anyone wants to share there view on UserLinux's decision to go GNOME!
also one of my alias'
viking667: if they aren't changing the kernel source they dont have to release the source
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to their binaries
What the heck is this music!?
Debian has always hated KDE
Namaseit: not the point at issue here - the drivers aren't under GPL, are they?
--- You are now known as MGALUG
that is no surprise
steven, I don't like it too!
viking: oh i see
***** We're BACK! with segment two. *****
newp; they're correcting me; not Radeon 9700
lol - the music must be the only public domain stuff they could find.
yeah!
* Trelane kicks ATI
heh
viking667: yah in that case they do
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-advocacy/2001/01/18/0002.html
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
qgonjon: yeah, I have no problem with it :)
segfault: like I said the driver was developed for the quadro. But the quadro uses the same chip and normal cards so with some tweaking opengl will work. I don't know when quadro came out. I'm not a historian
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I think they need music from Knoppix distro
well gnome is the most wide used desktop
I have to send you guys some new tunes!
Arne, your sound system has improved by leaps and bounds.
somebody needs to install iRATE-radio
for a week or 2
* Arne runs an ATI AIW 7500 watches TV on his Linux Box
cool
terracon: cause I've got a feeling that the drivers have been around much longer than the quadro
I use a hauppage
:)
segfault, I also don't have a problem with it and I am a KDE user. I see why they are not will to choose GNOME.
Arne Play TuxRacer?
heh
Lots of good music here: http://creativecommons.org/
And it's not glam-rocks from 1985
oh cool
bttv
Scotter - not yet. ought to try that one, though.
Has anyone here downloaded, Neverball??? It is a cool game!
Haupauge Pronounces ha p- HOG
segfault: no. That's the only reason they invested in making them. You're delusional if you think they want to support geforce linux desktop gamer dudes
wow
frozen-bubble rules
a river in New England
;)
My AIW does stereo and all sorts of other things.
Namaseit, try Neverball. I downloaded it from synaptic a few days ago.
Anyone use an Avermedia?
why don't i get a reply from @linuxshow.com ?
Neverball... fun
you smell :)
why does the maillinglist not work for me?
jk'ing
they are going for sure now..
LTS/LWE
sweet
MGALUG, My 4 and 5 year old kids are addicted to it.
I was looking at the Avermedia PCI 350 as a possibility.
Is anyone hearing the music covering Jeff up?
nope
Hmm, do I do the big apt-get and lose most of my bandwidth, or listen to the rest of the show...
JeffGerhardt well?
Arne, What is happening with the music!
Weird...
7 & 9 kids are too
what's the booth you guys are in?
Yeah.
yes - twice so far the music has reappeared
jaye:you usig ogg?
3 times.
year old
jaye:yeah it's here too
jpe:using ogg?
hehe
yes
dont use the ogg
ok - will switch.
use the mp3
hahahhahaah...
yep
give me wore more more!!!
i used to use the ogg till that started happening
Who is hacking into TheLinuxShows Computer???
4 times now
like amonth ago
that was staff@thelinuxshow.com right?
how does ogg has to do with that
my mp3 stream's fine now - linxquestions, the rest either can't be contacted, or keep droping out.
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Stop! replaying the music!
We have lost all talk and are back to the music!
that sux. . . .
I'll fire up another xmms session.
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JZA:dont know but it doesn't happen on the mp3 streams
i'm running again, switched to the linuxquestions mirror
M$?
windowsrefund -- staff@thelinuxshow.com
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Change servers
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great
I got an mp3 feed from Naperville.
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We have lost all talk and are back to the music!
well if you going to NY maybe you should go to NyLUG or Gnubies
nice folks over there
Real is working just fine
hope we don't kill the servers!
i didn't lose anything..
I wanna request an entire show devoted to the developers of screen(1) !
:-)
how about not
equal time and all that
:)
Arne does the thelinuxshow@mailman.ibssnet.com email address still work???
what about miguel de icaza not being on 'the list'
Arne or has it changed?
Hrm - I couldn't TALK for 40 minutes about twin, much as I love it...
does anyone actually use realaudio anymore?
I don't know. You'll have to ask Kevin
Arbiter: absolutley!
My wife and I are registered to attend the LinuxWorldExpo next year. Who is registered here?
meldroc I miss real audio
meldroc: yeah, real is real
screen and ratpoison
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meldroc: its a shame they forced to update to RealOne
What is happening with RealOne for Linux. I heard that sun will have it available for it's desktop, is this true?
Real is open now, and is in testing
real recently released codecs for version 9 on Linux
la junta de extremadura has done a nice job
these days i avoid Real whenever possible.
*I don't believe it!!!* I heard a neighbour!!!
realone died
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Real...got it last week
awesome
assassinated I hope
Real works better on my low bw connection than others
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Who's the Australian?
I think real wants this Helix to take over
... make sure you install the version 9 codecs
Yeah Real is good for low bandwidth
Ohhhh - Jeff Waugh - welcome.
good for movies from reuters too
quasarkitten: also is a good quality for radio-level
quasarkitten: I mean talkshow radio
morning :)
I actually LOVE Real...
The problem with RealOne is that Mozilla does not have a plugin for it!
Talk about the Telecentros in Brazil..
So shoot me...
yea..
Anyone check out the NOVA shows you can steam from PBS ive seen them all
every time i see a box running windows in a hospital, i get nervous...
qg: netscape has a plugin, so mozilla should
So, RealOne sucks without the web plugin!
there's a plugin but it doesn't work and real isn't updating realone linux
that's not good, but it plays ok in the native real player
brings new meaning to "Blue Screen of Death"
I never used real for talkradio only video
meldroc: it's the windows box you _don't_ see that always gets ya
realone linux has been in a crappy alpha and was never updated
Namaseit, don't confuse RealPlayer 8 with RealOne.
meldroc: hospitals are so behind the times. I've worked in a few
oh
my bad
:)
Chrysler uses LTSP
I've seen LASIC machines running Windows ME - the machine that controls the laser.
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Largo is thinking on deploying OpenOffice on a large scale too
Namaseit, it happens :-)
Does this show run until 10pm?
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axatax. i'll never get my eyes lasiked!!! thank god i have good vision
I'm using RealPlalyer9-9.0.7.151
where are those photos?
andygraham:depends on where you live
How do the Americans/Canadians cope hearing the Aussie accent?
fedoraguy: on Fedora of course
goes to 7:00 for me but thats cause im on west coast
I'm waiting for subtitles myself. ;)
using ver 8 here
Canadians can handle accents fine
I hate RealOne because they are not embracing Linux at all. They are just holding on to Linux to piss off Microsoft.
what happens if the lasik machine crashes right in the middle of zapping someone's eye?
I had probs with ver 8, kept hanging
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail for mailman.ibssnet.com loops back to myself
Well I live in Three Sisters,Oregon but I'm in Kansas City
uhoh... we have a mailloop here
glad you got 9 going... will try it
Real is doing more than apple/quicktime
I preffer the SuSE name
By now RealOne should have a plugin. What is the helix people doing???
the realplayer 8 plugin doesnt' work in Mozilla Firebird 0.7
realplayer 8 works in konqueror
I am getting sick of plugins not working for Mozilla.
O.T. Can anyone tell me how to uninstall plugger? (Firebird 0.7) tried re: terracon's problem, now I it's taken over mp3 ogg and everyithing else!
I keep checking Helix site, it looks like they are testing now
BUT... doesn't Novell buying a comapny send those products down the crapper historically?
actually, speaking of hospitals. This embrace by Novel will get us in those doors. Hospitals still have alot of legacy Netware boxes providing file/print over NDS
Actually, I get asked what app I want to hear a RAM stream in, when I click on it in mozilla 0.3
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err, 1.3
JeffGerhardt KevDude Arne i'm afraid your Postfix mailserver is quite correctly configured
I downloaded and built the Helix community player. THe build system was completely too complex. I'm concerned that they're focused on themselves. Shades of mozilla here.
When will Helix have a reasonable player available for Linux.
Unix, WordPerfect?
....Helix?
~/.mozilla/plugins delete the plugger file
Right now they have a stripped down player that only does streaming.
Can`t you just register RealOne as a helper application in Mozilla ?
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* safedin will use totem with the xine backend for now..
I did, I suspect.
I have realplayer 6..... and it works fine in .7 mozilla
midonkey, I tried that and it does not work!
Terracon: thanks - tried renaming it, but maybe I need to delete it
mldonkey: yea, but it will launch separate from mozilla
not imbedded like Mplayer
xine
John: delete.
Scotter: did you mean Corel?
I use mplayer plugin for mozilla. Wors nicely
Novell owned them both first
Terracon: thanks -- I'm running the evil operating system at the moment because of the problem!
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which distro's have GNOME 2.4 onboard today???
I'm not having success with mplayer. It's the 1st choice of audio players in konq for me, but if I try it it embeds, but nothing seems to happen.
Evil xp home or evil xp pro
i think mdk 9.2
Fedore has 2.4. It's not bad at all.
stock: gentoo
plunk being bought by Novell seems to have a curse attached
Fedora
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p0z3r heh i should recheck my mandrake :)
Debian/Libranet/SUSE I think
*sigh* I only have Mdk 9.1, with Gnome 2.2
Debian/Sid is using 2.4
I am getting sick of the music replaying!
I run Gnome on Mandrake
Debian/Woody == legacy :P
what's everyone's favorite irc client. I'm using mozilla's irc client. it's a lot of bulk just for irc
qgonjon: you'll have to try another mirror
qgonjon change servers
qgonjon: switch to the mp3 stream
Again, Dam it!
running kvirc right now.
John: is that mozplugger?
LinuxItch: xchat
LinuxItch: I'm using epic4
thanks!
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stable ~ dead? ;)
"KDE 3.1.3, GNOME 2.4.0, IceWM 1.2.13, WindowMaker 0.80.2, Enlightenment 0.16.5, Blackbox 0.65.0" - from mandrake's site
what do Jeff Waugh and Leslie Proctor think of Sun naming their GNOME 2.4 stuff the Java Desktop System?
* mcleodnine is an x-xhat muppet
MGALUG: think so, yes
Sid is fun. Can you log on today or is Pam broken again?
stock: did ya catch that..?
I'm sitting in sid/gnome2.4 atm
p0z3r catch what?
the stuff in sid is what goes in a lot of distros latest releases anyway
"KDE 3.1.3, GNOME 2.4.0, IceWM 1.2.13, WindowMaker 0.80.2, Enlightenment 0.16.5, Blackbox 0.65.0" - from mandrake's site
just the occasional packaging error.... :P
I love the Gnome integration proyect to tie Gaim , Evolution and F-Spot
Okay, I moved to another server, thanks again. I am using mp3 now instead of Ogg.
stock: that..
* viking667 claps his hands together ! Ahh - enlightenment!
what is 'acceptability'?
John: look at your ~/.mozilla/pluginreg.dat file
accessability?
Stock: Is Java desktop 2.4 - I thought it was older?
p0z3r oh sure.. i have a full mandrake 9.2 install running here... only tried KDE 3.1.3 yet
DougDante: is accesability
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MGALUG: Thanks. Booted into the evil operating system at the moment
John: did you install mozplugger using RPM
mandrake 9.2 has GNOME 2.4.0 and it's pretty good on the whole
my condolences
stock I have a mdk 9.1 and 9.2 system sitting here.. haven't even touched the gnome 2.4 in my 9.2 system
MGALUG - from source
DougDante: for gnome-speech, and contrast coloring for visually impared
Anyone else getting weird audio repeating?
ok...
yeah
p0z3r i will create a new login user with GNOME later :)
steven: switch to mp3, use LinuxQuestions server, perhaps? Works well here.
you can edit the file and remove all mozplugger code
p0z3r try a new desktop on Linux? create a new user :))
MGALUG - Thanks will try it. (probably after the show)
tar your mozilla profile and create a new one
yea
i love gnome 2.4, but i hate the focus issues. giving the panel focus on a workspace switch is just annoying. i hope this is fixed soon.
`Is dewe a Elmer fudd twanswashun?
converter: submit a bug report
When is nautilas going to get fixed?
2.4 is way slick
stock: I switch between kde and blackbox all the time, used windowmaker in the past.. and hinted on some gnome.
segfault: there are already a few, last time i checked bugzilla
2.5 unstable is going to ROCK
jose which GNOME version are you referring to?
jdub: yup! :)
I would support internationalization to most of the old common filter programs -- jive, valley, etc.
what's gnome's position on gnome office versus open office? esp since Ximian modifies and sells open office?
I wonder if there is a Vasque translation
or a redneck translation? "put dat der CD in dat der coffee cup holder and click 'Yup' to continue'
the music issue was happening last week too
DougDante: we love both :)
Nautilus seems to work fine on 2.4 - at least I haven't noticed any problems.
no music on my feed..
sounds fine here
no music here
its just the ogg stream
Nautilus was a resource hog early... still?
Ebonics?
dont use ogg streams
"linuxquestions.org Buffalo, NY" works fine with mp3 and xmms.
Pig latin
my mp3 is fine
2.4, nautilas is so slow and nowhere near as confogurable as konqueror
anyone tried the "spatial" nautilus?
yea...what about mozilla's lack of mailto handing off to external email program... evolution
jose: no problems here
is their a GNOME based knoppix release??
yay, totem! :)
sleepeasy: err, never even heard of it - is it a bit like the 3dwm?
there i mean
linux show only does ogg streams and it's converted. If I remember right the real stream is mp3
stock:gnoppix
stock: there is gnoppix
beat me to it
yea!!
Namaseit omfg :) geez i must have been sleeping :)
nautilus is still much too slow and resource-intensive populating its display
:)
totem
and Streamtuner
viking667: have no idea if it's like 3dwm, sorry
coold
Bah - then I'm going to have to upgrade my ogg123 - it's not working at all. Period.
2.6 will make multimedia better on the desktop.
anyone who tried gnoppix?
Sounds like a virus engine (api)
Oh yeah. what ever happened to GNome offering bounty to developers?
more responsive to the end user.
's why I've been using trplayer and mplayer
dashboard looks really, really cool
...dashboard...?
Pig latin would be cool but I like Ebonics - Would you like to log off? Fo Shizzal my Nizzal or Hellz Naw
I dont mind Gnome I don't like ppl that try to force either/or any gui onto their Users, kind of why I dont agree with UserLinux
sounds like a microsft product I once tried out
Dashboard
I wish I could send clue packets to people.
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lol
why is that arbiter?
dashboard was a addon gadget orginally on win3.11 ... be warned for yet another brandname shootout!! :)
what is the roadmap? the release dates...
converter: you're right - i tried it once a while back but couldn't get it to work but it will be cool
http://www.nat.org/dashboard/
quasarkitten: there are people inside OOo that has a klingon project
what about SuperKaramba?
Failed to send command.
Lindows : the Chinese pronouncation of Windows :)
couldn't we just run the i18n strings through the jive filter?
(dashboard + storage)++
Dashboard is a fine name. It's what you smack your head into after hitting a cow.
http://www.userlinux.com/GUI.html
http://www.gnome.org/start/2.5/
lol
NZheritic -- king of the links! thanks.
oor dee sveedish chef filter, bork bork bork
When will Superkaramba become part of the KDE Desktop package?
or Gnome?
qgonjon:probably never
qgonjon: not sure, but I was asking that last week..
yea
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Gnome is perfect for UserLinux
JZA: klingon project? I think i may have heard of that before lol
superkaramba is pretty unstable to include
errrrrrkkkk. dashboard - yuck.
Namaseit: for now maybe..
*I* wouldn't include it
need substantial work, but it rocks
Superkaramba is the coolest thing ever and KDE should integrate it into the desktop or GNOME.
viking667 which URL?
Gnome has gdesklets
What graphics cards do THEY use?
http://127.0.0.1/old_site/screenshots.html
I already don't like the idea... guess I'm going to have to try it...
http://p0z3r.is-a-geek.org/old_site/screenshots.html
which I tried to use it once, but it wouldn't compile
*woops*
:\
heh
`stock: http://www.nat.org/dashboard/
hot: dashboard, not: wikiwiki
qgonjon: you should see the gnome desklettes
check this thread for some very different views on the way nautilus is heading http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4355
I built superkaramba to see what all the hype was, built OK, but then I didn't see what you're supposed to do with it
Where do they see GTK going?
fedoraguy: run it and select a theme to display..
the liquid weather plugin rocks
liquid weather plugin rocks?
don't forget iLaunch meldroc
.png is bloated fat image format, its waisting internet traffic IMHO
will gDesklets ever get into GNOME? :)
Is UserLinux like United Linux ultimately?
but gif license suck
morphix!!!!
live CDs are great
thanks Arne
morphix!!!!
sleepeasy: unlikely to get "into" gnome
sleepeasy: afaik, its proposed for 2.6
morphix with xfce4
yea
slackware and Knoppix
qgonjon: check this desklettes http://primates.ximian.com/~sandino/MyDesktop.png
you can find lots of superkaramba themes at kde-look.org
JZA, do you have a link to desklettes?
XFCE4
Yeah, Knoppix tricked me. I liked it, and installed it, and noticed, "Bam! I'm running Debian". Crap. I need to grow a hippee beard now.
why not have a UserLinux base CD and supply a collection of GUIs on a separate disk?
lol
JZA, ignore that!
lol
Scotter: i think 'user linux' is more "hands on" than UL, which was just a short-lived publicity ploy, imo.
plunk:Bruce already said Gnome is it, nothing else.
Arne doesn't have a hippie beard
yea... the Neo Tux in the suit is fun
to show Matrix friends
qgonjon: acutally thats not a link to the desklettes just a screenshot
yea...slow download
Namaseit: only gnome will be 'supported', which means something very specific
Grabbing superkaramba now. What themes should I grab?
on cable...
maybe for x-mas though
I mean a userlinux base without a GUI, then add your choice of GUI from another disk?
lol
lol
JZA, I am currently downloading the image. do you have a link to literature?
jdub: ok... it's more of a toy than anything else anywho
liquid weather +
told ya
* Arne is Norwegian --- no beard to grow!!!
jdub:according to what Bruce said only Gnome and GTK+ are in it
fedoraguy: liquid weather, maybe one of the os x bars..
oh
liquid weather rocks
fedoraguy: get the VENT
!!
an xmms control theme is also handy
liquid weather? Link?
I always pronounced in Ka-no-PICS instead of the correct NAH-pics
AND, will it work on a GNOME-2.2 site?
the noatun theme is sweet too
Scotter - me too
http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=6384 <- liquid weather
my 14yr old sister just got gnome from day 1
stock -- send those things to staff@thelinuxshow.com
kde-look.org
Scotter - the K in Knoppix is not silent.
we're hardcore. guess it's time to get a tux tat. :)
Im not a german so the K is pronounced
JZA: awesome :)
QUESTION : how is the bounty offering going ( http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ )
like the jars you put organs after they are removed from the mummy
QUESTION : how is the bounty offering going ( http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ )?
Namaseit: sure, but you're reading that the wrong way
uh - so it's kde. Darn - I only have 3.1 here, and it's a memory hog.
is it guh-nome or just nome?
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LinuxItch: guh-nome
what you mean?
3.1 works viking667
i like guh
thanks namaseit
glade the best IDE for new developers or is there something better?
jpe Knopper the German last name is a silent K
gnu is pronounced "guh-nu"
LinuxItch:for what?
:)
Yuh! It WORKS - it's just hoggy on memory. I only have 64Mb memory, and 72 Mb swap - I typically have 15Mb left after I start KDE and a couple of apps
chrisb: glade isn't an IDE, its an interface designer
So KDE in german is DE?
kdevelop is decent. make sure you get kdevelop 3
Scotter heh not in germany:)
segfault oh
sorry -- that was meant for jdub :)
viking667: a lot of caching going on..
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viking667:no duh, i would run xfce4 on that system
stock Hmm, I will ask a german friend I need to work for tomorrow
though every time i've use IDE's, i found they get in the way, and i switch back to the old xterm + vim
evolution will take a while for 2.0
p0z3r: that may well be, I decided I would get more mileage out of icewm
Leslie has such a nice voice. keep her talking. :)
that's fine.. I use blackbox when I run winex games b/c of that.
yea.. we just lost a main man for Evolution
this week
for winex i just do "startx -e xterm"
Last time I tried xfce, I nearly died of shock. it was a bit .... too different.
women with voices like that usually look nice too.
eh
one project that i'm really looking forward to future development of is Planner (used to be called MrProject)
MGALUG ouch what happened?
your choice :)
Ettore Perazzoli is now gone
http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1523
he deserves mention
where is linuxworld expo?
new york
linuxworld is in the Javits Center in Manhattan, NY
damn
converter: if she want to have a gnome-radio show I will be there
I like taskbars that are REALLY functional, but they can get out of the way when I need them to.
:D
Hi!! I'm new! :-D
Anyhow, I need to depart...
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welcome gwydion :)
I'm new too.
hehe
new
danke, danke
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later Viking667
yea...for T-shirts
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etc
:\
helix.. ohyeah..
hrmmm?
**** Thank you, everybody for supporting The Linux Show. IRC will remain open for some time after the show.... Enjoy! *****
already got the helix client
what does it do exactly now..
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later all...
Nice Show and no SCO
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We're outta here.
yea...got it last week
Nite Arneeeeeee!!!!!!!! (was away when you joined :( )
Thanks Arne!
helix client huh? no SCO IP right???
will it install RealGoo on my box???
heard sound but got no video with it lol
Ah huh. I'll look into it.
Doc ... thanks for the email on Real
is helix out on gentoo?
good comments
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Good show chaps !
ok. i'll give it a test drive.
nite all!
not that he can read these notes..
g'nite
puntium: no ebuild, yet.
what is the link? no instances of "helix". Only instances of "real" are to these streawms.
great show
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for the love of god we need new music
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yesh
DougDante: left hand side
converter: matter of time i guess
Good show - im sick of this song
thanks guys, great show
Bye everyone. thelinuxshow = :D
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KevDude: does theLinuxshow save the IRC chats?
Namaseit: amen
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for posterity
Namaseit: feel free to contribute some royalty free music :)
bye
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email doesn't work AFAIK, for thelinuxshow@mailman.ibssnet.com
search for helix on portage didn't result in any matches.
good show. thanks guys.
Bye for this time
it should be legal to broadcast music if your not profiting, eh
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and i also have my doubts about @thelinuxshow.com
I think the music was one fo the thing got mcbride so upset with arnie.. (if he ever heard the linux show)
Don't think thye would play the music i like
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lol
link is http://forms.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html?src=120303realhome_1_2_2_1_1
Namaseit: but it's recorded...
lol
maybe that's the rubb
are there any debian packages for helix?
no. really. can I trust anything from RealNet?
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Jeff Waugh will remain in the IRC
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you can trust to fook you up :)
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The Windows Real Stuff is nothing more than a delivery vehicle for spyware. The fact you can use it to stream music is secondary.
JeffGerhardt: are you there?
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Jeff What video card do you use?
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when I downloaded the Real client after last week's show, it looked like it was the same ol rp8_*.bin that's been around for years
yah the only reason I isntalled realplayer 8 for linux cause I knew they wouldn't try to spyware me
or would they :\
so why would I want a Real_X client on my rig?
dont know
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Good night everybody. See y'all next week. Stay and enjoy the IRC.
chrisb: i think the page they sent us to has a tiny little link to the beta buried at the bottom
Namaseit linux version contains spyware? i don't believe that
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i dont either
heh
thats why i said i installed it
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cause I figured they wouldn't be dumb enough to try
I'll give it another go then
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Never underestimate greed or stupidity
suprising real is still around and haven't been netscaped out of existence
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Scotter well the new trend is exploiting cookies and jpg tags for marketing purposes
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more like exploiting everything on the planet
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toodles
if there is spyware in it that is news to me.
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JeffGerhardt: what would you think of a new TLS website?
kev is checking the link
after years of hitting TV-ish 'news' sites with only Real-enabled audio/video I can't think of a reason to see a return to Real as a *cough* standard.
hi all
don't believe it either... on the linux platform
i'm stil here for a while if you have random gnome questions
he may be pointing to an old link
JeffGerhardt: "mirrow"?
what exactly are we looking at, the helix community or the realplayer download page on the real.com site?
jdub What video card do YOU personally use?
anyway GNOME does look slick, even more as latest KDE
some sites. like radio stations are only doing ms media now no more real which sucks
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stock: 8)
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but i like working with KDE
but virginradio in london does real/ms/mp3 stream. Kick ass station
terracon: right, I'd rather use a real stream than MS stream
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Scotter: um, an ATI now, but previously i was a matrox guy.
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maybe GNOME 2.4 should have a renewed try here :)
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2.6 is out in march, you can always wait :-)
segfault: it's starting to suck as alot of streams have killed real off and only do ms media
bah, it's effectively out now :P
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* NigelS is just reading up on amd64 support
terracon: one stream to force them alll (to use MS media player)
yeah, 2.5 is stable enough for most geeky linux dudes
can you use an mpeg4 codec to listen to WMP streams?
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not convinced that installing debian on an amd64 system with a SATA drive is going to be a pleasant experience
jdub: will gnome begin catering to us pathological customizers again in the future? i kind of miss some of the tweaks i was able to do with sawfish. :)
highly unlikely
well we need more ppl to use 2.6 to test it out to get those huge hungry bugs out
linux on amd64 just isn't ready for prime time yet
you can generally use gconf-editor to change some things
is there any particualar reason to stream in one format over another (besides license agreements?)
but outrageous configuration stuff is not really of interest anymore
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didn't esr say on a show all you had to do was recompile your kernel to amd64 and you get most of the benefits doing that rather than recompile for the whole distro
nope.. meldroc it seems to require a lot of playing around :P - though..if you at least run the kernel compiled for it, that's something :)
are there any gnome ppl involved with the integrating of GTK into QT?
it's getting everything else to work
jdub: understood, and appreciated.
Namaseit: 'into'?
the scheduled january release of gentoo looks promising
let me find the link
integrating GTK into Qt?
I am opposed to integration myself, but I code little and never a GUI so I don't count
that doesn't make ense
sense
i can see maybe an emulation layer running on top of Qt
but it'd be a lot easier just to use GTK
jdub: who would be a good person to talk to about future bounty ideas?
segfault: no one :-)
segfault: the bounties are currently a test run only
segfault: sponsored by novell/ximian
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jdub: we need some nice totem/epiphany integration. somehow I don't think its going to get done without a bounty
if it works out, other people may want to get involved
cause there is a lot of work involved with that
segfault: sure it will, lodge bugs and write code! that's how we've always done it before.
hehe :)
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I'll be done in a couple of years ;-)
(it will probably involve mozilla-bonobo, and making a bonobo totem thingy.)
once I learn C
yeah
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someone mentioned using mozgtkembed
l8r everyone
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later
jdub:link is down
jeff, any plans to update the gnome logo again?
heh, no :-)
but it was something about getting gtk apps to completely use kdethemes and such
and widgets
we love the current one
Namaseit: common themes are good enough, and there are a few now
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I always preferred the first one - current one looks too surfy :)
well with this the user would never have to know or care if an app was QT/GTK
segfault: mozgtkembed is what ephiphany uses, to embed totem, you'd use mozilla-bonobo
jdubHey, one other question. Mousetrails?
Namaseit: nor do they need to with common themes
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mkay kids. thanks as always for the show.
Scotter: hmm, no one's mentioned anything. not very high on the priority list, i'd say. :-)
Scotter: you can turn on the little targeting reticle when you press ctrl though. that's handy.
anway AMD64 is kickass gear : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13187
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jdub: righto
pants off! :)
:-)
"Slowest Athlon 64 humbles fastest P4 in gaming"
hehehe
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jdub:http://desktop.kdenews.org/strategy.html#gtk
stock: thanks for the link - just about to order one - reading about Linux support
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would be great to have one theme spec for both desktops
NigelS a friend went to shop today to get ASUS board with AMD64 : he only could sign in.... the moment these baby's come in, the crowd is beating each other up, being choosen to pay.
Namaseit: that doesn't really say much of substance :-)
or was it a MSI board... dunno less check
"yes, we would like better integration" -> sure.
there was more
hehe, a web site in the UK seems to have them n stock -hopefully they can deliver before christmas :P
but I dont have that link
stock: I'm look at an MSI board as being a good choice - need to read on installing debian to a SATA device etc :)
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NigelS the mania has become so mad, that a major hardware shop here : www.mycom.nl was not putting the AMD64 gear on their website... only occasional customers who happened to visit their shops , could see the EUR 400,= offering : ASUS board + AMD64 3000+ CPU
hehe :)
NigelS oh now its on : http://silverapp1.mycom.nl/MyCom/Store/pageloader.do?url=kerstactie_computersystemen.htm
EUR 1099,= for a full featured ASUS K8V + AMD64 3000+ CPU
hmm show's over
not bad :)
* Trelane was putting up the tree
does the jargon "AMD64" comprise both Opteron and Athlon64?
i'd say Intel is toasted this season
I'll get the 3200+ I think, since I'm greedy :)
Trelane: :)
hmm it's 03:55
I probably should sleep
* jdub goes to lunch. :-)
chrisb yep... Opteron being server based, and AMD Athlon 64 for home pc's
mmm. 64-bit
jdub: :)
cool
hot actually
lol
it's a little more than that - there has been some confusion over the actual processor ID...I think atm it's agreed to use amd64
heh
MGALUG yep they run hot :)
hehe :)
my old 1ghz Athlon runs hot
indeed its getting late... gnight * and till next week :)
even with 3 fans
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night stock
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MGALUG indeed.. dual Opteron is still a heavy price tag for me
night:)
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me too
whoa, someone still uses bitchx!
freshmaker...
brb
yea - stock is sticking with it
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:)
xhat is cool
most I know has moved to irssi
xchat
have*
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anyway, I must force myself to stop reading now - I'm tempted to get up and go to see the LOTR
good idea.
or sleep
that way I too can moan about the omissions :P
... book is way better
well, sleep such that I can wake up at a reasonable time to see it
always
they always are :)
night night
night
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3 fans? sheesh
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yea
well.. one on processor... two on PS
but still hot
yeah thats a hot one
need to get newer Non-dumpster system
got this whole enchilada from dump
save the new PS
heheh
with RAM...
win me had hosed the 80GB drive that was in it
installed Mandrake 9.1...now 9.2 on it... working perfectly
my main system is from the early days of walmart.com Microtel offerings
my brand new 160GB Maxtor died last week
just got warranty replacement.
walmart is ok
I've had good luck with maxtor . Fujitsu however have crashed repeatedly on me. They were good about replacing the drives with newer and larger capacity drives though
got Epson S. Photo 900 printer from friend who broke the color cartridge door... he just gave it to me
I have too ... so far
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well, maybe the hot athlon cooked it
lol
heheh
but could be suspect
heard these 160 drives were having high return rate...
mfg defect
but 64bit would be nice to upgrade to
new duct-tapeless case too
would be nice
..well, I better finish my Christmas shopping ... online of course.
until next week
later
l8r
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