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 however, it does not support the really old cirrus logic graphic cards

 NZheretic: got 2.6 running yet?

 I've got 2.6 going, I need to re-compile, missed the PC speaker and my beeps are missing.

 I dont have 2.6.0 running yet, just 2.6.0-test11

 the one thing that makes mepis different then knoppix is that it has got a icon on the desktop (in demo mode) that launches a fully automated installation script. it even has a disk partitioner / formater

 MGALUG : Waiting for new year.

 anyone got it going on Mandrake?

 yea...me too

 my mail server/web server is running test10

 just got my warranty replacement 160GB maxtor back ...installed tonight

 i would upgrade but don't want to kill my uptime :)

 but need new case

 then I

 will consider 2.6

 my western digital 120 gig is starting to crap out on me

 piece of crud

 thank goodness for 3 year manufacturer warranty cause I definately will need it

 I have several of those WD 120s at work... no probs yet.. kow

 i stay away from western digital & maxtor hard drives. they are worthless

 well I wish I had bought the 120 maxtor cause they *were* cheaper at the time and plus, I prefer maxtor

 seagate drives are the way to go

 bought the 120 gig WD for its 8mb cache

 mind crapped out after only 2 months

 $80 from Staples

 hello MGALUG

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 chrisb: hello...  had vision of the thing crapping out on my just 2 weeks prior to it tanking

 actually, all hardware is a freaking crap shoot. Come on lucky number 7

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 photos, music, important stuff was on that drive

 Eyecon:  Sorry got distracted... yes my wife does use windows well, but she does not know computers technically very well...

 had the click of death.

 yah well I have had my hard drive go bad so many times I learned quickly if its important back it up another machine

 mine is using Linux now... kinda forced her into it

 think this one got too hot

 yah

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 was in the top corner of my case...

 I had a maxtor 30 gig single platter hd that went bad from heat

 had cooling turbo fan, but it was not enough

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 lol, I think I have it working

 the 80GB maxtor I got from the Dumpster.... yea, dumpster still working

 Sorry for the intrusion, but Largo Florida is NOT moving to Ximain. They are evalutating it! But they haven't done anything yet.

 fine

 SO there is no show tonight?

 the best investment you can do for your box is to get a cd burner & do constant backups of your files every week

 nope

* viking667 wants an 8Gb that actually WORKS!!!

 There is one, just not one done tonight. :-)

 that would be nice to have too

 I'd be EXCEPTIONALLY happy to get bigger than this, of course.

 8GB drive ..

 well on my mail server I have 2 harddrives, main one and second with backups. I have a php script that backs up '/home' at 12:00 morning and noon.

 newbie:  How about a 40 GB tape... and backup daily...

 http://madpenguins.net/log.php

 MGALUG: well, my biggest is a 4Gb Quantum Bigfoot...

 those were workhorses

 still are

 My next biggest is a 3.4Gb Maxtor, which has performed flawlessly

 I had a 15 maxtor that worked for years until the pins fell out lol

 I thing the more they cram into these things the more likely they will tank

 MGALUG: if they ever get bad sectors, it's time to consider retiring them, but until then, they're pretty good.

 still have a 10 gig maxtor that runs perfectly

 you may want to considder getting seagate drives

 mine got fat bread errors 2weeks prior to tanking

 have a 15 gig maxtor that is still running

 Errr, no thanks. I'he had two that have died - horribly.

 One a U8 (8Gb)

 I usually regard Western DIgital as reliable, but I once had a WD drive fail 2 days out of the static bag.  Worst timing, just migrated data and was booting to back up when, CLUNK!

 I've got multiple 2-10GB drives ...some work ...others have not even tested

 and the other was another U-job, I'm not sure of its size - 2Gb, I think

 from Dumpster

 what happened, what killed them

 Question on another topic:  Has anyone bought the tablet PC from Element Computing???  What did you think??

 I have tons of 500mb western digital and a couple toshibas

 and 3 2gb WD's

 an 8gb WD and a 6gb WD

 One thing I'd LOVE to do is to get a rotating set of CD-RW blanks going...

 lol

 no thanks

 too expensive

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 However, at the moment, I don't even have a burner...

 too unreliable

 that too

 i wish i could afford a new laptop, i would definetly buy it off of element computing

 cd-rw's go bad faster then they should

 yup

 The reason why the rw is because you buy them once, then you don't have to buy again for at least a hundred burns or so...

 heh yah my laptop is only like 5 or 6 months old

 HPze4325us

 that's quite new

 Someone told me they're rated for at least 10k burns, but I don't know if I believe that until I see one DO it.

 what distro?

 I've been looking into DVD-RWs because CDs are just not up for the job any more.  SIckening when you think about it.

 newbie:  yes... I have not purchased one... but it looks nice.  I'd like a tablet that I can betwork via wireless...

 XP2000+, 40gb hd, 512ram, 15" screen, DVD/CD-RW

 the only laptop i own is a old ibm 560 (133 mhz)

 well I use slackware on my laptop

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 actually on everything

 mwg: check the reviews prior to purchase...

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<-- tim-qcy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)  there are some good priced DVD-+RW, but those do have their share of problems

 morphix is cool

 but I'm not liking debian so slackware will go back on my laptop soon

 MGALUG:  The drives or the media?

 both

 let me know what you think about morphix

 morphix is good

 im using the lite version with xfce4

 Video friend of mine swears by TDK discs

 One way around the problem is buy three media, do the same backup job to all three...

 i like xfce4 cause it uses like <=20 megs ram  One concern I have about tablets is performance ... I have a freind that has one that runs Windoze that he does not like the performance.

 I am running Lindows 4.5 (debian) and my laptob and works fine

 says that's what LucasArts uses

 MGALUG: Well, I was given a +RW drive, so I guess I'll concentrate on media.

 TDK is the only way to go

 i allready tried veclinux

 I'm using a Sony DVD+RW

 although they smell ass

* viking667 has tdk CDs here - no idea how well they work yet...

 piece of crap..

 TDK or Toshiba might be better

 TDK's dont peel like some do

 MGALUG: Funny you should mention that...

 Lindows is sok

 it is all in the die

 "dye"?

 never speak of lindows in my presence please :)

 dye

 lindows sucks

 the dye dies if it's not right

 it works

 its like paying for free software

 lol

 So if you overburn a disk does it curl up and dye?  :-)

 Mandrake is very nice ... have full network going at home (here)

 all Mdk 9.2

 Lets face it - when you buy Mandrake or Redhat, you're "paying for free software" ...

 mwg: lol

 yah except base mandrake install makes you look like a honey pot waiting to be accessed

 Mdk here... all download editions

 have cox.net highspeed.

 since charter upgraded my dl speed to 2.4 mbbp, i have been downloadin every linux distro i could find

 Mine too - 9.1

 Actually when you buy Redhat and Mandrake your paying for a "Solution"

 nice for updates

 good site norlug

 after trying and using maybe 50 or more distro's from SOL to peanut, slackware is what I have stuck with

 had Mandrake, RedHat got tired of them

 for customized updates

 for Mandrake

 9.2

 all other distros are too slow

 Or perhaps... when you buy Redhat... your paying and paying for a solution...

 I prefer Mandrake/RedHot purely for RPM.

 and slackware's font's rule

 I'm not a Lindows user, but paying for a good repository service makes sense to me.

 rpm is the devil!!!

 urpmi on MDK rocks!

 :)

 you pay for the easy installs

 yea, but he keeps my system running

 And yes, I like urpmi - it's nearly as good as apt-get

 RedHot?  The distro from hell? :-)

 paid nothing... well, the speed issue

 rpms suck, but, urpmi rocks...go figure

 well everybody starts with redhat, but after 7.3 i couldn't stand it

 got Gentoo

 7.3 was last "good" redhat version

 all the rest were slow

 I gave up on Redhat after 6.0 - transferred to TurboLinux 6 for a while, then someone sent me Mandrake 7.2, I've been hooked ever since.

 ... will finally plop in one of those xtra drives and test it in a Dell 750Mhz

 Gentoo, have not tried it but it does seem great for an enthusiast....

 i think i will use mepis when i go to upgrade my box

 heard it's much faster than Redhat or Mandrake as it compiles for the system it is installed on

 Gentoo you MUST have enough room or a compile (especially for X) else it'll be no good.

 yea

 errr, "room FOR a compile ... "

 The great thing... all these distros are pretty good... just think what it was like 5 or 10 years ago...

 speaking of DVD bruning this is a nice use of embedded linux http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/0,,2076_15020036_16603896,00.html

 well when redhat feels slow on an XP1800+, 512ram, ti4200. its time to chunk it

 seven years ago, I was playing with kernel 1.0.9

 was sickening back then, but lots of people did use it

 namaseit: bah.  I work on a Cyrix MII-300 and a K6-II@533MHz

 because it is better than Windose

 newbie: Do u do any development?  I'm wondering about mepis.org and KDE development.

 Basically, the mome memory you can give them, the faster they'll "feel" to a certain point.

 well with AMD hardware so cheap, no reason not to upgrade.

 anything is better than windows

 I can't spell for peanuts, sorry...

 uhmmm - there is when I've GOT no money to upgrade WITH.

 well slackware "feels" tons faster then any other system i've tried

 Can you spell for walnuts?

 What's the story with AMD -- is the Optron really going to be a good desktop system for Linux?

 And no, I can't stroll the streets - already married.

 did anyone here fill out that survey that microsoft was asking linux users to fill out?

 newbie: .....huh?

 there's another opteron thats like half the price, its only got 512 L2 cache but hey im not complaining

 lol

 hell no

 Didn't even register on the radar...

 the article is on osdn.net

 ohhhhhhh.

 but read responses on slashdot

 newbie:yah lol, i said "theres no one feature that could make me switch to windows"

 That's why I didn't see it - I haven't been to osdn for ages.

 survey:  was that for real?

 yea

 yah

 some engineer put it up

 another way to try and spread FUD

 it was not even hosted on a microsoft domain

 from within hell...er...microsoft

 spawn of satan....

 satan is not deserving of that title

 heh - one way to get authoritative SOA records, huh?

 stolen from Unix

 lol

 namaseit: lol

 Come to think of it, I'm SURE I've seen some GPL notice in there somewhere...

 what's that site where Bill gatez is the Antichrist?

 don't know theres too many where he is that

 lol

 sure it

 http://www.microsoft.com

 i wonder if microsoft aint running some hacked up SCO code in their OS

 Got to go... happy holidays all...

 same

 to ya

 same here

 Bye roblnx.

 What scares me is: MS bought a SCO license, right? What if MS fund SCO's defense, or, worse still, BUY sco and pursue the case?

 well im glad nvidia gave us a holiday present hehe :)

 yea

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 Well I would but desktop HD is crapped right now :|

 version 5328

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3647313623&category=4619

 namaseit: I'm following thread over in kde-devel about how nvidia installer overwrites GLU libraries and fouls things up.  Watch out.

 I know it'd be pretty unlikely, given the "anticompetition" and all that, but ...

 ouch

 hey wait, does the new driver run on 2.6?

 yeouch

 i beleive the reason that microsoft refuses to reveil their source code is because of the hacked (stolen) code they are using

 or do you still have to do minion.de patch?

 Problem seems to be  libGl.so.

 newbie: naw they are just so huge and bloated that they can't and won't change their ways, too many hands in their company

 Actually, someone ought to do a bit of code analysis as to what the MS compilers put out for typical code, match that up against typical asm from other operating systems...

 You'd only pick up the simple stuff, but hey...

 if you made billions off of doing something one way would you change?

 where's that kde-devel site

 MGALUG: irc.kde.org#kde-devel

 10-4

 didn't know they had an irc server, huh

 then again who doesn't

 namaseit: Actually, its freenode.

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 that sounds like a worthy project, create a open source compiler / viewer just to read the source code for microsofts os

* viking667 tinkers with the idea of plugging the second screen in, and "managing" wendows from the "other" machine...

 newbie: yah until they slap the DMCA on you : newbie: uh uh - you'd have to be exceptionally good to unwind asm to C/C++

 plus its not like java

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 oh wait but its just VBScript!!!

 Bullshit.

 :)

 hey you don't know :)

 it could be :)

 naw I know it's not

 i just thought i would suggest that

 So that means that CMD.EXE is just a VBScript Interpreter? HAH!  No WONDER it's so slow!

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 I need to get K3B

 has anyone tried the helix client yet?

 Realaudio you mean?

 yes

 yea

 works fine here

 does it work?

 just make sure you put in the Version 9 codecs

 yah it works fine

 do i need to uninstall realplayer 8 before installing it

 not personally fond of real but eh

 nice christmas present too

 it should install in RP8's directory

 see that is a problem, what do you ask for, for the holidays when I have all need from free software?

 but good ide to dump it first

 lol

 good hard drives

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 namaseit: Yea, my wife asked me if I wanted any software and I couldn't think of ONE thing!

 already got cable modem

 Linksys here

 I would like a new monitor, but the one i want is $350

 got both router and modem for $65 total

 does it matter what kernal & gcc compiler i use to install it?

 after rebates

 I have a 21" Sun monitor but I don't like it

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 19 dell.. trinitron here

 whoops - pulled the modem plug out when I was plugging in the ninth monitor - sheesh.

 friend gave it to me this year

 got a $50 D-Link gateway for $10 at a garage sale brand new!

 9th... lol

 sweet

 I've ot a 17" Samsung flat screen.  Another freebie from my crazy friend.

 ewps - that was meant to be 2nd monitor

 should be some of those around here with the local Tobacco company going south

 i had dual 21" Sun monitors but sold one for $100 more then I paid for it and bought other stuff

 good yard sales that is

 i find my monitors on the trash & fix them

 newbie: should work on pretty much any 2.4x kernel...

 I want a 23" flat panel hehe :)

 $1200 ?

 ???

 23" flat panel = $$$ ~1000 - 1200?

 no

 i think more lik 2200-3000

 yikes

 could get a widescreen tv for that

 lcd 33"

 startkde: Starting up

 well isn't sony supposed to be coming out with those $1000 big screen flat panel tv's?

 i think it will be a few years before i get a flat pannel

 me too

 would like faster computer

 I don't watch or like tv enough to buy one of those

 same here, mines a 333 mhz

 My only problem is: I don't think I can have a X server on one screen, AND a console on the other VGA card at the same time, can I?

 1Ghz & 700+ MB ram is too slow

 no

 viking667, nope

 viking667, what vid card?

 you could just have extended desktop and open multiple xterm or konsole's

 mgalug 1ghz to slow???

 on the second monitor

 to compile, listen to music Shoutcasted from god know where, scan documents, read email, rip/burn cds - one of those is likely to fail on me

 when you are doing multiple tasks.

 hmmm, I've never had a problem doing more then that on my 1.533

 i can do multiple task on this 333

 and have /home/user for each of my other 3 system hosted on this system...yea

 me too...just slows down for some critical tasks like CD burning

 Two VGA cards - one a ET6000, the other a CyberBlade/i7

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 i run my cd burning as root, while i do my other task in my normal user mode

 141 procs

 And I don't know how to make them both behave like the same "screen" -

 gimp, kmail, konqueror with 50+ tabs open, noatun, compile kernel, compile mplayer, compile lisad, qtdesigner, kdevelope. I think that is second to the most multitasking i have had going on.

 so far, I have :0.0 and :0.1

 So far I've only had to take care when using the DVD burner.  My burn speed tops out at 10x for CDs, and I'm still working on the software to burn DVDs.  Need more backup.

 me too... but still slows system if doing all the other . kopete

 burn at 40x here

 mwg, what burining software you use

 i get my laptops cd burning of 24x fully

 WIth a 733MHz coppermine I have limits.  :-)

 I use k3b at work for DVD burning

 1ghz is athlon

 mine

 i use gcombust

 namaseit: cdrecord.

 i use k3b

 : cdrecord for isos

 check out this linux embeded pro DVD recorder editer

 you can use k3b for isos

 http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/0,,2076_15020036_16603896,00.html

 i sometimes use cdrecord

 in fact

 k3b does bin/cue

 yea... but cdrecord is sometimes faster

 for isos

 :-|

 could depend on hard drive and system

 less X overhead

 i suppose

 hdparm optimized 8mb cache drive at 7200rpm

 I want one

 I've had the combination of cdparanoia and cdrecord produce travel copies of CDs that the comnputer cannot tell from the original. (CD lookup works.)

 heh

 and connected at 133mhz bus

 SATA drives are getting cheap now

 finally

 everything is

 nope...scanners have gone up

 in fact i actually have 2 amd XP mobos doing nothing

 only thing I have noticed... aside from MS software

 I could use a cheap 1GB+ USb keyfob.

 I had to get cdrdao 1.1.8-pre2 in order to quit using ide-scsi

 ones a shuttle that I got for $45 and it has usb2, firewire, onboard lan/sound. The works.

 and its a KT400 chipset

 so AGP8x

 as well

 Except for the DVD drive, my burners are SCSI, so I haven't had much of a problem.

 chrisb: What distro u running?  I'm RH9.

 for $45 i had to grab it

 debian unstable

* PhantomsDad looked for an updated cdrdao but couldn't find one for RedHat.

 namaseit where did you get it ... if I might ask?

 newegg.com

 recently?

 like a month or two ago

 : cool

 And it was the highest rated "cheap" board

 PhantomsDad I think I had to grab cdrdao from CVS

 I only buy my stuff from http://www.newegg.com

 I have ordered so much, I literally am friends with the Fed-Ex guy

 http://www.tcwo.com is ok

 http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=2171

 I bought from there back along time ago, but I found newegg and never gone back to any others

 chrisb: Yea, guess I could do that.  I'd pay a subscription fee for a good, up-to-date repository service.

 plus I *alwasy* get my stuff in 2 days cause its only 1 state away

 most any local big store where I can get rebates...

 tcwo is just a few miles from me so I go pick up from there

 yah

 yeah it sure would make things easier

 slickdeals has good rebates posted...most of the time

 newegg is down in Industry, CA and im in Springfield, OR

 like the 120GB drives for $30 ...worked for a friend of mine last weekend

 same friend loves to buy newegg stuff

 circuit city had 80gb WD's for $40 after mail-in rebate/auto rebate

 thought about it but had no cash

 always need a spare hd around :)

 I have used newegg to get some inkjet  DVD's

 I like the one where some 160GBs were actually packaged 200GB discs... that'd be a nice surprise for $80

 I know some kid who has a terabyte of HD space in his desktop system

 awesome...full of music no doubt

 almost as bad as me

 but he's a windows user so he kinda needs it :)

 lol

 yea

 mostly movies actually

 like every single one you can think of almost

 cool

 I have 2 120gb internal and a 160, and an 80 gb firewire drives

 but I told him to use linux and encode them himself

 does he have any Speedy Gonzoles movies?

 ???

 your friend

 but I use them for film editing and dvd creation

 with TB of space

 don't talk to him much, he's kind of one of those "I know computers" but he doesn't

 type people

 yup

 Good night all.  Have a merry X-mas.

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 adios phant

 spoiled...

 basicly

 I have 200gb in my desktop

 80gb maxtor and 120 WD

 240GB here

 200 at work

 80gb I moved to an external usb 2.0 housing

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 i thought, why pay for 128meg or 256 meg usb-pen when I can move 80GB to a usb housing

 those 1gb usb-pens are $200+

 crazy

 I've got an Archos I use for that kind of transfer

 20GB

 music mostly... data sometimes

 well i kind of want a 256meg usb-pen to put on a bootable distro and use it as a rescue thing

 I am looking into the Archos 40 for mepg 4 video

 ...there.  Resized to ALMOST 160x64 under KDE...

 why?

 lol

 transport

 what is at 160x64?

 asaone: where would you get it at?

 you're all on my twin server at the moment.

 not Circuit $$itty i hope

 err, at least, all these programs are...

 have you seen that new linux distro called "puppy linux" that fits on a usb pen drive? i saw it on distrowatch this morning

 oh yah

 i just had bad experience with them

 Had to resize the twdisplay so it would capture all of my text screen.

 no i didn't see that distro

 sounds interesting, even tho the name sounds retarded

 I can't remember where I saw them, either tigerdirect or cdw

 damnsmall should be able to do that

 it was listed on distrowatch thismorning

 yah damnsmall is nice

 Now I just have to "set" plastic to using utc for itself, instead of localtime.

 wait, viking667 are you just using 1 desktop streatched across 2 monitors or like 1 desktop 2 monitors, 2 seperate areas?

 namaseit: I use like 1 desktop 2 monitors, 2 seperate areas at work

 using Nvidia 128 xForce card... nice to work on

 do you use two mice two?

 ti4200 for me

 nope...just one

 im thinking of getting 5600fx maybe cause they are cheap now

 I have the ti4200 in my laptop

 what?

 what brand?

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 you sure it's not the fx5600 mobile?

 i've lots with that

 seen^

 does anyone here have any experiance with the ATI rage 128 pro cards? are they well supported

 as supported as a crap card can be :)

 nothing ATI is well supported

 I have one or two yes

 mine has the ti 4200 with 64mb

 huh

 just look at what Nvidia is doing ... good stuff, though taints kernel

 and hoses GLU libs

 2 ati rage 128's, 440mx 64meg, ti4200 128meg, geforce2 mx400 32meg. all the vid cards I own

 i wont be using the card for gaming, i just want to know if it works well in linux

 but my kids can play Tuxracer ... makes me smile.

 newbie, yah it works perfectly

 :-)

 ok, thanx

 growing up Linux learned...

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 i play frozen-bubble on my laptop

 speaking of those rascals, gotta get to bed...long day tomorrow.

 they love frozen bubble

 it has a piece of shit ATI IGP320

 and I am happy, lol

 yah I would be too

 :)

 like the music with frozen bubbles

 i'd be play NWN:HotU and RTCW:ET

 gets on your nerves after 3 hours

 if I had ti4200 on my laptop

 tuxracer music does too.

 especially using Wherever-racer

 version

 you ever play frozen bubble 2 player?

 I do have the original RTCW

 nope

 its so much fun

 can now though... gotta try it tomorrow

 well, its getting past my bedtime, i will join in next week while listening to the linuxshow

 I'm too good though cause my friends just cuss at me now and don't play

 now that I have a network

 goodnight yall

 at home

 adios

 night

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 I better head out as well, got lots of nothing to do now and tomorrow

 well, I think I will head out too.

 I have to go too I am behind in my editing

 night all...next week

 editing?

 night all

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