11.25.03 irc

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 Where's the /topic?

 

 Voice!!!

 Morphix?  I hope it's improved.  I didn't like it when I tried it a few months ago

 JZA: With Fluxbux, when I launched any app from Kicker, Kicker wouldn't show it in taskbar.  It was in the Fluxbox taskbar.

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 is Eric part of the panel now?

 Forgot what my problems were, though

 (Supresses urge to make a Red Dwarf: Better than Life joke.)

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 anyone have a definite pronunciation of Knoppix this time? ;)

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 haha

 I say it k nopp icks

 noppiks

 Darl_McLies :D

 glad to see red dwarf fans around

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 smeg!

 ok spartakus, lets try ur pequelin 0.5.5 :)

 I started with gentoo, when it was at version 1.0 but I think I wasn't ready for it at that time, I moved to Suse and then RH 8.0. Tried to upgrade to RH 9.0 and it caused me a ton of headaches with mysql and mysqlcc.

 I'm so bad that Ive had two Dwarf-theme lisence plates.

 noppiks

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 so I went back to gentoo and I have been running well since.

 JZA: Que?

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 it's better than Darl mcbribe

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 Morphix is at release 4.1....  My cursory look at it, it looks good.

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 Trent: tell me more about it, I got a friend who had some problems with mysql on his rh9 server

 My official RMV registration is REDHAT...I may be giving it up soon

 running mysql on rh9 with 0 issues

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 I feel stupid now, been trying to load the wrong module for the last hour now :x

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 spartacus: :) I just download your Unstable version

 whats up

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 tesla coils guys

 hey

 Subject: Upgrade your RHCE to Red Hat Enterprise Linux

 looks like a good crowd tonight

 The problem wasn't so much with mysql as it was with mysqlcc. It was a dependency problem.

 <- big Tesla fan  I need to wipe and re-install mysql, I goofed it and I can't get in.

 8) tesla coils

 yea

 Trent: use it with OpenOffice db manager :) kidding

 "Dear RHCE: In celebration of the 5th year of the RHCE program, we are pleased to offer you the opportunity to upgrade your certification to Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3 at significant savings."

 anyone tried the latest Knoppix?

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 3.3 11/19

 JZA:  OK..

 MGALUG: Tried it VMware over the weekend

 MGALUG coool stuff.... gaim updated to latest version... all your MSN buddy's will be very happy :))))

 Didn't get a chance to do much with it though

 I have never studied for a computer class final :)

 I finally got it last night... tried on a laptop

 gaim 0.73?

 0.72

 vmware is great, to bad its so expensive

 still has scsi hardware ID

 prob.

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 Then it's not the latest :-)

 but maybe my knoppix is too old already :)

 awesome, dude... Kev..

 rickn: Yeah, I know.  I've been running vmware since 1.0, so I've gotten the discounts on the upgrades.

 Knoppix is *so* out of date :-p (I love it really)

 some of the best speed downloads come from those dot gov sites

 argonne

 yeah, even at and edu discount its pricey :|

 What about CERN

 MGALUG knoppix is faster updated, as MSN has rebooted its IM servers :)

 \quit

 \exit

 lol

 BRB

 tools(toys)

 Argonne National Lab -- Home of the world's largest Plutonium repository.

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 is that the windows way of logging out?

 ofNoUse

 Anybody do anything significant with Xen Linux?  I'm interested if it's got potential to replace vmware for most uses.

 haven't heard of it... Xen... now I know

 McGurk: CERN is that the princeton dude?

 Anybody else's stream sound very tinny?

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 yea

 tin can thin

 RA MP3 or OGG?

 Xen requires the OS to be *ported*, but only the kernel.  Similar to uml in that respect.

 CERN is the Swiss physics nuclear lab... largest accelerator and collider labs in the Swiss (Geneve)

 My mp3 sounds okay.

 I'm on the ogg stream, I'm getting the occaisional hitch.

 http://user.web.cern.ch/user/cern/CERNName.html

 Mind you, there's not as much bass, but then I'm on earphones anyhow...

 I've gotten 400Mbits from argonne labs... for knoppix, mandrake, redhat ... but I'm on a base too

 My ogg sounds as good as it normally does.

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 tinny, yes

 getting a job at CERN as a physicist, is like obtaining a personel edition of the Physics Nobel price

 stock: :-)

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 State of the Kernel: Confused.  :-)

 servers... lol

 linuxlobbyist so which URL was pointing to CERN labs?

 why is Torvalds to angry about K&R code?

 hehe anyone builded a 64-bit operton linux desktop?

 ?

 Umm, CERN?  You mean Xen?  I think I heard about it on LWN a few weeks ago

 K&R code?

 I have the url somewhere...hang on

 What is K&R code?

 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/

 K&amp;K&R: old-style C code

 Kerrnigen & Richie?

 Kernighan and Richie : founders of the C programming language

 But it's not CERN.  I think your question must have been meant for McGurk, stock

 And Unix

 Stroustrup : founder of the C++ code

 Thanks 

 Oh, nevermind.

 The K&R C book used to be the C bible in the old days.

 *your* quote was something about CERN

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 fedoraguy oh never mind, just stick to perl :))

 old days is right

 fedoraguy: :P

 sjohnson the K&R book (ANSI ed.) still is for me... you know what? its about 150 pages... in one word : briljant! :)

 and a 300 pound bald NEO choose the blue pill :)

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 the stroustrup C++ bible made me hesitate

 I do not think this is true Notably not for Itanium support 

 Modern C++ has gone far beyond

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 sup all

 IBM seems to have many faces... and you know what? employee #1 doing task #1 is not allowed to do task #2 from employee #2.

 howdy hi

 What did Linus  say about universities involvement in development

 Hello... I'm buffering.. damn

 interesting

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 Cananyone tell me the diff between Suse 9.0 Personal and Pro?

 about $50?

 true

 I remember the VAXes at college :-)  Ah, the memories.

 functionally perhaps?

 Ah!!! PDP-8's

 still wonder if Tanenbaum is teaching minix to his students :)

 I remember entering programs with punch cards.

 12-bit technology!!!

 scotter, i think the available packages, support, etc

 When I was in college I was using a PDP 11/70 RSTS-E

 When I was @ school, we programmed a pdp8 which only had a paper tape.

 PDP-8 is what put the rocket on the moon.

 mwg  you dinosaur

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 My first computer was a TI99-4a

 No nonvolaile memory, you had to toggle in the boot loader with toggle switches

 "mankind was never meant to advance beyond a 402 accounting machine"

 Yeah that pissed me off too

 my TI99/4a still works.

 tonyfreeman   Me to loved TI99

 How 'bout Univac 1108?

 I lost mine . . . gosh I really loved that thing.

 (and that was probably one step too far)

 He said it doesn't interest him personally, it's great for kids to cut their teeth, its a cultural phenomenon

 "There's no need to fear, OverDog is here!"

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 was the TI99/41 used for TIBOL development?

 4a I mean

 Is 2 about politics

 I am voting for Channey

 republicans are all payed by m$?

 The secret compartment in my disk I fill

 Bill is a bleeding heart

 Lon Chaney Jr?

 I remember an old IBM box that used toggle switchs. It was tucked away in a corner at the Math/Comp Sci building at OSU. I used it to run fortran programs when i couldn't get access to the IBM 360/190 in the basement.

 Doing the werewolf of London

 Whitehouse.com I assume

 ...with an OverDog lawsuit deflection pill?

 which OSU?

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 no whitehouse.gov

 Just joking

 whitehouse.com is all porn

 Linux is all about politics

 Does the whitehouse run on linux ?

 I dont think that has to do with politicians, that depends on the sys admin 'credo'

 All the Republicans I know run BSD

 Scotter lol :)

 Jeff tell us about the SCO death threats

 My fav is whitehouse.org

 most porn run on linux :)

 ;=)

 nasa is running lots of linux servers

 BSD is a more corperate release cycle

 lol arne

 Linux is a little more Bizarre like I guess

 Are you looking for Republicans at the state level too?

 You can deny all you like, but a big part of OSS is anti-big business, so it's very political

 I'm a Republican election judge and I run linux :-)

 Arne: whitehosue.org has more propaganda than the iraqi info minister

 From WNetcraft just now:   The site whitehouse.gov  is running unknown on unknown.

 It's all about the power belonging to me

 yea...they block it

 Politics gets into about everything these days.

 It's all about politics!!!

 peragin -- Ya still have to love their sense of humor....

 OSS is anti bussiness?  ESR would smack you up side the head

 I just checked out whitehouse.org ... pretty cool

 that's not about traditional party politics, but its all about politics

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  What about the guy in gov who bought $100Mil of M$ shit and then went to work for them?

 RSS feed, I couldnt get Straw to run  :S

 Darn - got to get offline temporarily

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 toga: he tried to get his money back???

 got some problem with the gconf

 wait... you sound like chris pirillo

 We had a guy do the same with IBM services/products ... he now works for IBM.

 awwww, I lost the feed

 Opensource is a Z axis on the political spectrum

 Dean is internet driven

 peragrin: OUR money, getting it in his pockect :(

 OSS is anti-redundant business

 RSS is still bigger than mainstream media knows

 Scotter:  I think you've got it... Open Source is something that the business world has yet to understand, grapple with and figure out.  It's like aliens landing.

 chrisb  Explain Gnome vs KDE in anti redundant terms

 Klatuu barada nikto

 at least some govts around the world have it

 get it...

 Favourite aggregators anyone? -- AmphetaDesk for me

 Dean was hilariouws on Letterman last night

 Hey, where did this big silver robot come from?

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 Do we really want a hillarious President?

 yes

 scotter:  Please! Scotter good point  I rethink

 Scotter: you already have one :P

 We already have one.

 we do?

 Look at this O'reilley comment   http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3995

 what's he done that's funny lately?

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 Participation increases a justified movement

 rehi David

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 well, he said the new health insurance bailout is a medicare bill

 Latest aritcle at Groklaw had almost 500 comments

 thats funny as hell

 Ever read 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Gallaxy"?  Zaphoid's job was to take attention away from the government.

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 mwg MMasocist

 ... and he was the president.

 I've never tried an aggregator.  Any recommendation (maybe with RPM)?

 Never mind Hitchhikers, ever read 1984?

 Hello all, sorry I'm late.

 Scotter The -1 are the masochists.

 hey david

 in high school

 hello NZ

 NZheretic, glad you made it.  We missed you last week.

 NZheretic: No interest for you, American politics :(

 fedoraguy: re: aggregator as per my earlier comment AmphetaDesk -- no rpm tho

 Though Clark has credibility, Dean is highly to take better initiatives on issues

 Howard Dean is a Skullz & Bones member, being from Yale?

 Dean never went to Yale

 1984 is good. So is Brave new world by Aldous Huxley.

 who went to Yale then?

 Linux is the Brave New World ...

 He graduated with an MD from a NY med school

 Kerry went to Yale

 1984 = NSA backdoors and Microsoft

 Kerry and Liebermann

 In case you forgot, one of the themes of 1984 is a perpetual war used as an excuse to control people

 http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=85456&cid=7443730

 fedoraguy: I was waryof mentioning that :P

 fedoraguy: but the parallel is obvious

 1984 Jobs and the Mac.  I mean, double speak and cult of personallity

 Sounds like our copywrite system

 LOL scotter.

 WindRiver = BSDi company

 copyrite

 Tosin http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=about_biography  "He received his B.A. from Yale University in 1971 and his medical degree from Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City in 1978."

 rofl

 too funny

 who's your Big Brother, baby

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 pardon my mistake

 Used to do ISPs also

 however I doubt he is affiliated with Skulls

 the Oracle rules in the Matrix

 ;)

 Larry Ellison have been praising Linux for a while about grid computing

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 and clustering solutions

 grid=matrix  hmm.  curious

 Oracle on Unixware/Solaris doesn't matchup with Oracle on Linux.

 the matrix^grid will be run by oracle on linux

 best source of SCO quotes collected at one site:  http://www.anerispress.com/wltsim/

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 yea...grid=matrix  hmm.  curious

 thats what RMS always talk about

* Scotter was cheering for the MCP against the maurading hackers attacking the system.

 companies taking the freedom out of Linux

 JZA right

 JZA ... good point

 MCP?  Microsoft Control Program

 Oh, sorry, you mean from Tron

 ;-)

 SuSE made 9.0 download avail... to one up Redhat...

 in a sense

 isn't this like Bitkeeper vs CVS

 SuSE's ISO is still LiveEval

 not a full installation from CD to HDD

 SUSE has a f*cked up ftp install

 yea

 My box arrives tomorrow though

 You can install SuSE via FTP 9.0 became available monday

 Xen is using BitKeeper

 What have they done to the ftp install?

 MGALUG: Yeah, I know :-(

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34191.html  MPAA &RIAA want antitrust expemtion

 I don't think it's going to be a problem - the Intel C++/C/Fortran compilers have bee avialable and have been pushed by Intel for years , GNU GCC is still the dominant toolchain.

 Trent FTP install is still there

 true

 Is any suse mirror actually working for the install though?

 FTP install is good enough if you are highly dependent on SuSE, but I need to be able to take the packages with me

 maybe a US Govt one

 Very sad...I refuse to use BK...I've developed CM tools in the past and I can't agree to his draconian pseudo-free license

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 Scotter Yes I did it yesterday  Used a server in Sweden

 mcs.mirror.anl.gov

 ???

 Dito J2EE - the demand creates freely licensed alternatives will create free projects.

 and the linux 2.6 kernel is better for embeded than 2.4

 I couldn't find a working US site.  Like I said, 9.0 pro arrives fed ex tomorrow so...

 DVD-Jon cracked the Apple iTunes :)

 sure thing

 I used Jon's code.  It works but needs a wrapper

 DRM under open sourse?

 frightening thought... almost all Windows Update - Office Update sites deliver DRM software today

 source

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 via Linux, FOSS

 People from Redmond using TabletPCs to take notes on KDE's demonstration 

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 is there a counter which counts articles on Linux and articles on Windows XP ?

 google?

 google's search says Linux searches are tops over Windows

 indicates this?

 What about Mouglen's article/paper from OSDL

 DRM - Distatrous Revolting Mess

 KNOPPIX rulez!!!

 knoppix is soooo sweet

 knopper.net has already 2 how-to for costum knoppix

 MSN searches show Linux is old news.  I mean, nothing but dead links

 maybe this one goes more in details

 yea... MSN would show such

 Great article on Knoppix

 yeah, thats one I said before the red hat miss-quoting

 Arne keep your hands from Jeff's stories!

 Scotter: Look at PJ's analysis of MSN search results on groklaw.net from a few weeks back

 :)

 I always pronounced it like the egyption jars that hold mummies organs.  Kon O piix

 Knoppix to hd install is an easy way to get Debian going.

 http://www.osdl.org/newsroom/press_releases/2003/2003_11_24_beaverton.html

 Oh yes, that was hilarous. I read groklaw all the time and she nailed it on that one.

 Is Knoppix based on Debian

 Big freedestop.org interview

 Link for the O'Reilly Knoppix article?

 Great X-mas idea.  Linux-BBC.  A business card CD that boots Linux.  $5 at EFF website.

 Tosin yep:)

 Tosin yesp

 toga  One apt get and it self destructs though

 Linux-BBC:  http://www.lnx-bbc.org/

 Scotter ohh?

 It self destructs?. Any idea as to why?

 Scotter: Really? Worked ok for 1 of my installs.

 PhantomsDad: Is the Linux-BBC a British distro ;-)

 Lots or sources have to be added to keep it stable

 john: go to onlamp.com

 No.  BBC mean Business Card CD

 That's what I said here two weeks ago.  Consumer market is what they are giving up, NOT the desktop

 Linux-BBC is great.  Try Morphix-LightGUI, too

 I still think it sucks though ;-)

 can we take a CEO serious, which tells his audience to windows @home, and says to spend $1500,= minimum for a linux server?

 BBC = Bootable Business Card

 run windows @home

 Redhat has not come out with their new enterprise licensing pricing yet.

 I noticed apt-get install on Knoppix had tab-completion for the package name

 Actually, Redhat's move is good for all of us.  Now their development is much more open, and they have some of the best people

 Arne: I know some of the developers of LNX-BBC. I always carry a few in my bag.

 mwg, what distro do you use xfce on?

 graywind: Slackware 9

 If it was 'good for all of us', then whiteboxlinux.org wouldn't exist

 Isn't BBC mainly built to be used as a rescue disc?

 according to MS FUD it's crap

 ask the Israelli defense ministry :)

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 mwg  What should I know when I instrall tomorrow?

 The interesting thing is the OpenOffice contains features that MSOffice has yet to implement. Even on the 2003edition

 It's not ALL bad, but has many downsides

 StarOffice... but if it's anything like OpenOffice, it rocks!

 Trent: It started that way. It is a good, lightweight distro now.

 Israel is going to use OpenOffice

 mwg: if you get the latest version of swaret it will grab xfce 4.01 from linuxpackages.net and install it for ya

 I wish they would seperate the windows in OpenOffice.

 I think I've sold our chair on using OO for the new student-classroom laptops we're buying

 Israel Shuns MS, Adopts OpenOffice Instead

 http://www.linuxworld.com/story/38040.htm

 wise move

 thanks NZ

 Scotter: It's been long enough I can't remember the details.  I had no major problems, though, I'd remember those.

 Open source group poised to white-ant Microsoft

 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/24/1069522526315.html

 you wanna move jobs to india? install M$ Office, wanna keep jobs local? use Openoffice

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 white-ant = termite?

 NZheretic, king of the links. (BTW) thanks JZA for onlamp tip)

 future flash, Bush administration gives 100M in foreign aid to Israel, to buy M$ sofware

 graywind: I'll have to look up swaret, never heard of it before.  Thanks for the info.

 We'll be right back

 http://www.swaret.org

 np

 The onlything that Open office doesn't do, that I wished that it would do, is to allow you to embed dialog controls into cells in spreadsheets but they are working on it. The reason that they gave for the work was to allow compatibility with .xls files. Personally I don't care about the compatibility with .xls I just want the dialog form controls.

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 time to make some tea

 Same music

 Trent:  good point

* PhantomsDad tries to compile xfce-4.01 from source, encounters many problems and decides to punt.

 we will but chatting too

 They make it a lot easier to tie macros to cells. I used them with quattro,

 Also, MS is starting to cut off it's VARS http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20031120.html

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 Trent: I never got used to those dialogs, where very distracting

 Trent geez... are you a Microsoft Trainer?

 o/~ we built this city, we built this city on rock and roll... o/~

 hehehe

 really, man

 converter lol

 I wanna install metacity wih the expose patches

 Nope, I am not a MS shill. I just know what I like ina spreadsheet.

 Darl wasn't too happy about Eben Moglen's latest volley

 fuck darl

 Delusions at SCO?  Perish the thought! :-)

 Lotus 123

 fuck him with a big rubber pitchfork

 That is right Trent

 Eggplant: :-)

 that was a great spreadsheet program

 Scotter: if you're running gentoo, there's an ebuild on forums

 hee hee hee

 lolrotf

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 "Legal risks of open source under scrutiny"

 http://www.computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/EEC5FDAC79B7D26AC C256DE7007C3FB2?OpenDocument

 Anyone got the link on that group formed by chicagoans that were upset about Mircosoft Bunties for pirate XP Licences

 :o

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* stock 's personal spreadsheet : bc -l

 Gentoo lasted two days on my thinkpad before I reporposed the partition for Debian

 I used to be an arteest with Dos 6.2, Wordperfect 5.2, the WP Office Shell and 123...

 swaret is grabbing 300mb of stuff, might be a while :)

 My reply is on Grocklaw

 http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20031124125314370&amp;type=article&title=Already+replied+-+It+may+be+Microsoft+NZs+law+firm&pid=26263

 I bet before April 2005 (if the case isn't dropped), someone will buy SCO

 Arne: you have any follow up on that business group situation, did they put a website yet?

 I got Gentoo 1.4 on a DVD from some UK mag... is it worth the trouble to build it?

 I was trying to set up a spreadsheet that i had begun awhile go with quattro. Main reason that i don't use quatro anymore is that I don't want to go to the trouble to try and get Corel office to install with wine. I use OS where ever I can.

 I smell IBM or even HP for this move

 Scotter:  Brain clicked, were you talking an XFCE install or slackware?  I was talking XFCE.

 Scotter: i don't know that i'd put gentoo on a lappie, to much grinding on that fragile hardware for my taste :)

 Tosin: So MS will fight system V?

 I love gentoo.

 Perhaps

 hey - does anyone know a good website to go to to look for companies hiring programmers / techies other than the big guys like monster.com or hotjobs.com? I'm looking for something specific to the NY state market

 Tosin: they already bought a big chunck with all the 'legal aid'

 we don't want SCO to be bought, we want them to die, and sell unix for a dollar

 Tosin well we have crossed the point of no return already... any nutcase spending dorrah's in purchasing SCO Group, will be on my bounty hunt list.

 But I have to agree, that I wouldn't use it on a laptop.

 All they have is a license to use it and modify it for their use for further sales

 Tosin: I doubt IBM will ever buy SCO now...when IBM believes it is right, it fights to the death

 neither

 Trent: we run it on desktops and love it :)

 2 contracts, each worth 8 mil each

 Should the SCO Group set up a website to counter GrokLaw called CrockOShitLaw?

 We're back!!!

 Peragrin:  Yes

 heh

 Peragrin: I second that

 NZHeretic: If they did setup a website, it would say nothing, because they got nothing credible to say

 Trent: I use it on a lap

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 music just stopped...

 wanna laugh?  read this:  https://us.etrade.com/e/t/invest/Story?ID=STORYID%3Detrade_2003_11_24_eng-etrade_cbs2_market_watch_eng-etrade_cbs2_market_watch_A8E0810F-6FA4-4AEE-A63A-7882825FF76E&provider=CBSMarketWatch.com

 Trent: however is retired as a desktop replacement

 What sort of laptop?

 they have a website up it is www.sco.com

 so what is the SCO flap tonight

 Jeff??

 still full of shit though

 in a perfect world, IBM would crush SCO to a pulp, then offer them a $1 buyout

 Ogg feed still on music here...fading out...

 don't need to do it... it's been done... http://www.welovethescoinformationminister.com

 Voice!

 Finally

 yay

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 url on that letter?

 Jeff, has the linux show made any changes in hardware or software in the last couple of weeks. I don't seem to be getting the high pitched whine that I usually get with one or two of the speakers on the show.

 groaklaw?

 groklaw rulez!!

 www.groklaw.net.... go... read... laugh... ponder... etc

 Trent: they did upgrade some hardware

 oh ok... thats the one

 groklaw.net

 http://www.groklaw.net/quotes/index.phtml

 http://www.groklaw.net/

 Trent -- Yes, we have a new connection hardware.

 Trent: Jeff stop brewing tea during the show :-0

 wtf

 Ah, that explains it.

 Must have been in the old hardware then.

 groklaw and PJ need to read www.welovethescoinformationminister.com

 graywind: swaret page found and bookmarked, thanks.

 It was the MODEM.

 What is the point of stating this that theother is a lie,  We have zillion already

 hardware change a number of weeks ago and that ended the whin, etc

 mwg: your welcome

 Ah. well I am glad. Cause it was giving me a bit of a headache.

 I already got all the sco I need at TLS

 PJ will love that.

 JZA: lol

 sure we might get it in the time delayed email from TLS

 It is funny when I heard about the Body goards I immediatley thought about Jeffs comment last week

 Oh god that was something else alright.

 a cow pie

 maybe - 

 lol

 Pie in the face?

 Gee, this story sounds familiar...

 Could it be that we heard it LAST WEEK?

 Darl is looney and .... dangerous

 I wasn't here for several weeks

 whoa!

 thats sutile

 :)

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 someone asked about in the opening min. of TLS irc

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 shame, 'cos it wsa probably assault (sorta) :)

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 the memes have them :)

 Tooo bad you didn't have a tape recorder going. :(

 SCO = Stupid Confused Operations

 it was chris sontag

 we know it was

 what a mark of honour!

 expose the lies or Darl?

 namaseit: chris snotrag

 tee hee hee :P

 chris piece-of-shit

 oh wait

 that doesnt have the same ring to it

 lol

 Darl and Sontag are butt buddies and crack smokers

 SCO seems to have a bad case of raving paranoia.

 it's the only explanation

 Eggplant:  hee hee hee

 The real danger to SCO executives is not from Linux/Free software supporters, but from SCO Unix professionals and business who use to deploy Unixware/openUnix. The SCO Group's actions surounding this lawsuit has KILLED that market.

 raving paranoia comes from smoking crack

 no

 I have sold Unixware in the past

 "Brain and brain!  What is brain?"

 that market was dead a long time ago

 NZ well said

 Star Trek:  Spock's Brain

 I would like to run the comparator by ESR against the unixware tree

 yeah that was last week

 KeyNut address?

 Eggplant: Well spotted.

 One of the guy's on the "OnComputers" show thinks the GNU License is illegal.

 rofl

 He's swallowed everything Darl has fed him

 talk about paranoia

 SCO... ridiculous... true madness... PULLING THE WOOL OVER THEIR OWN EYES!!  I should pay the $30 for their Reverendships...

 what a bunch of idiots

 yea

 sure it does

 JeffGerhardt just turn up your cheek to Darl, and Darl will be jailed inside Gauntanomo Bay immediately... Don't be afraid.

 well but is different, Bill gates get death threats everyday

 The only death threat Darl should worry about is a heart attack when he realizes the case is won by OpenSource

 but not cuz of that u start criying for it

 for Darl, the world is just one big High School

 Jeff is Darl hist you, you can get him in jail. simple.

 in highschools these days it would be considered a very serious matter... and most of those guys/gals are of such a minde

 converter: LOL

 Love the cleft chin, I wonder what it cost?

 i wouldnt really consider IBM opensource but yah it is a win for FOSS

 heard the fear

 in his voice... could hear it when he spoke

 I think is all PR game

 they are slandering you dude

 here in Britain (without that pesky 1st amendment) they could get in a lot of trouble for thiss tuff

 and the whole community

 Meanwhile it's quite ok for the SCO Group to call Linux users and developers common criminals?

 I just watched his eyes, oh wait you couldn't see them they were looking at the floor

 I agree its a PR attempt by SCO itself.

 How 'bout a head game?  Order stuffed Tux dolls and have them delivered to Darl.

 Its unfortunate that Darl and his group slanders the OpenSource community while they benefit from its efforts

 heh... give Darl the Alan Ralsky Slashdotting....

 so no Slashdot articles

 ... better yet .. order live penguins!

 Darl wants to steal the hard work of tens of thousands of developers, and use it to line is wallet. 

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 this idea reminds me of Al Franken's last book "Lies and the lying liars who tell them"

 if this were a movie plot, this would be the part where Darl's puppet masters would, considering him an expendable annoyance, make him a martyr for their cause

 wouldn't it be neat if he decided to eat a bullet?

 Darl, Chris and the SCO Boys are teaming up to take on TLS host JeffGerhardt ....

 LINUXSHOW - Set up a wiki on thelinuxshow website !!!!

 why else make the gpl public domian, which no american judge can do.

 Franken has gone downhill since he worked with Buck Henry

 pants: What did those penguins do to deserve Darl?

 Arne: why not writing an open-letter

 converter: SCO and darl already are the puppets, just ask MS

 rofl!

 oh the irony :P

 thanks ... snotrag

 high school antics

 is correct

 good night all

 Lets have Darl on LinuxShow next week

 lol

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 Is it possible

 high school madness!  With Porgy Tirebiter!

 i wonder if their LARGE Investors, like BarClays Bank Toronto know all this....

 desperate acts of doomed people(meaning sco)

 I want to see how Darl reacts with sound facts

 This is like Woody Allen saying his wife is childish because she sinks all his boats in the bath

 oh fartbubbles

 ok let see, according to SCO: ESR is an employee of IBM, ESR is common of TLS, Arnie has approach Darl,

 McGurk:  Hee hee hee

 McGurk She's 14

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 SCO Group is giving away telephone investment calls assesments... if any of their new potential investors finds out, what a bunch of idiot criminals they are... well

 ESR is now a consultant to IBM's case concerning SCO and the history of Unix

 SCO has pissed away everything of value they had, which was not much to begin with

 Tosin: Where did u see that?

 so he does work for IBM now?

 1999 article

 indirectly

 only because of their actions

 Go away? Call Charlie Evans!

 He doesn't work as an employee, but more so in the direction of IBM's case

 Tosin ESR has said on this show he does not consult for IBM

 Oops pardon me, . . .

 This was VA Linux Systems

 Tosin No problem

 ESR did say that last week

 Tosin:  I've known that since last May... grin

 You shouldn't let him finish telling his lies

 Tosin I wish he were though

 JeffGerhardt does any of the SCO ppl or their security gards, physically assaulted you?? or is it just a mind game?

 That's it for the show for this week.

 good show guys

 g'nie

 Good show.  Night all.

 we'll do what we can

 I think if the case goes through, he will testify

 great show -- g'night all.

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 thanks guys - good show :)

 Please interrupt him while hie

 later peeps

 good show

 huh

 Thanks chaps !

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 good show, next time

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 good show kids. thanks and all that

 thanks for the show

 another good show

 next week, all

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 I'm still listening to the show .... where's everyone going.

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 http://unitedlinux.com/en/partners/index.html

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 wheeeeee

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<-- doug (~doug@c-24-1-89-159.client.comcast.net) has left #linuxshow (Client Exiting)  Geez .... I must have had a HUGE buffer.

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 Good show guys. I will have to listen to it again when the house is quieter.

 Ogg stream lag here also, I don't know how ar behind I was, the song just started 20 seconds ago.

 Jeff kinda just rolls right up to the end

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 Lag makes IRC a bit of a psychedelic experience

 so how can we really help Jeff?

 an Ask Slashdot article may help to refute the lies.  At least get a wide audience on the case

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 I must have had a HUGE lag ... the music is just now starting.

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 Bye everybody.  Thank you for your support.

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 Arne,Jeff,Kev etc - IMPORTANT - there are so many articles and details alread spread around the web - what is needed is one centeral repository to form the argument.

 Refute the lies WHILE he is telling them .... dont let him finish!!!

 One possible ogg problem.  A player that uses a buffer will get a larger amount of sound ahead using ogg than mp3.

 http://sco.iwethey.org/

 xmms?

 well

 take care everyone

 xmms using mp3 here

 Yes, I'm using xmms.

 music off

 xmms and ogg here (lag)

 xmms and ogg stream here

 does someone know of an article that involved unitedlinux lately?

 Yep xmms, ogg

 Also mini sound backfires.

 can anyone recommend any OS DTP software?

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 graywind no not really... only that Novell with the purchase of SuSE is backing United Linux basicly.

 Just got a brief clip from the start of the show.

 tonyfreeman why?

 Now I seem to have the show on re-run.

 anyone ever downloaded the beta when it first came out? it was pretty silly

 MWG That's standard I think

 download*

 Dr_Aevil: Scribus?

 mwg : thats Ok, I missed the start.

 it will rerun and streem for quite some time.

 Still has hitches in the sound, goes back a few minutes.

 NZheretic moi aussi as we say in Canada

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 Dr_Aevil: OpenOffice?

 I'd have thought they'd work out the ogg a bit more, given all the possible mp3 legal issues.

 I converted everything from mp3 to ogg on my station.

 On the plus side, I would say ogg stream has improved over last several months

 Now I an email once a week from people not able to hear the station.

 my Archos only supports mp3... ;-(

 MGALUG: I'm just looking into Scribus now

 so I'm stuck with them for a while

 My Archos gives me the same problem, I have to run MP3s for on-the-road use.

 I tried Scribus out... pretty cool stuff

 You'd think that RealPlayer or iTunes would be able to play ogg .... but they dont

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 I don't have any problems with the ogg stream vs mp3 stream. In fact the only problem that I have had was with the whine in the audio and that was an artifact introduced by their equipment into the audio itself.

 zen player does

 I think

 JeffGerhardt does any of the SCO ppl or their security gards, physically assaulted you?? or is it just a mind game?

 ogg, wma, mp3

 indeed :)

 SCO really seems to have it in for you.  WHo sold them the bad drugs?

 mind games

 They have minds to game with?  :-)

 lol

 JeffGerhardt well ... they seem to be pretty good at that then.

 December 5 shall be interesting

 yep

 Well it looks like mind games and hoping that you will make some sort of mistake and give them ammunition.

 mind games = lawyer games

 I hope the judge drops the case

 Question though, if the judge drops the case, can it be filed again in a higher court

 I think they might be genuinely deluded - I mean just look at the evidence..

 Tosin yep, followed by a zillion counter suits :)

 Actually what we hope for is the judge to dismiss the case with prejudice.

 yep

 Tosin: Not if he prints out the case and drops it on Darl.

 what do you mean MWG

 I'm in the middle of a sizable lighting storm, I may have to shutdown soon to avoid trashing yet another UPS.

 like the 1 million pages SCO dumped on IBM

 tosin:  Think half a ton of paper and kinetic effects.

 lol

 Actually if he dismisses with prefudice they can't refile. But if he dismises it without prejudice they can.

 But actually the focus has changed lately... a new independant team of lawyers (non SCO related) is attacking the GPL : "Examining an attack on the GPL"  http://lwn.net/Articles/59752/   

 http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.112103/233255267

 are the SCO legal submissions any better than spam in fact? :)

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 "A law firm called "Wolf, Greenfield & Sacks" has seen fit to issue a press release containing some pretty strange claims about the GPL."

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 A guy on another show I listen to: "OnComputers.com" is convensed the GPL is illegal ...

 This is where I cam in... bye

 Oh yes I have seen that one as well.

 " SCO Reacts to Moglen and a MS FUD Source Confirmed. And How"

 basicly that means, that the grand evil master behind the curtain, has maybe given up on SCO, and started a legal GPL attack game.

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 The Cold war is heating up.

 ... and he's the one that does the Linux Segment of the show ...

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 anyway.. maybe take a look on the GPL attack next week....

 since they see no possible win-win, they've gotta look elsewhere for a lawsuit...

 Its interesting the Darl reacts to the Moglen paper.  The quicker he reacts, the more convinced of how know that he has nothing against the opensource community and more so IBM

 GPL is the basis for Linux, right?

 I am not sure what its going to take to convince people on the futility of attacking the GPL. Wel futile if the judge knows anything at all about the law and isn't swayed by nonsensical babblings.

 or paid off

 good show... and Jeff, are you really offended by mind games?  just /ignore these idiots.... basicly thats the best thing to do

 Think about it, if you know you are full proof, then the media commentaries wouldn't bother you, but to quickly react is a sign of weakness and vulnerability

 no... he's just trying to CHA

 Darl is desperate

 Jeff but of course have the homework prepared, and standby when needed :)

 MGALUG:  no doubt is he desperate, but he probably regrets getting into this in the first place

 Well, as jeff has already noted, reading Groklaw will give you plenty of ammo to use against them.

 MGALUG:  I bet if the judge dismisses this, the stock price will fall faster than gravity pull on any object

 kinda like a cat that's been cornered... the easy way out, even if it means clawing his owners eyes out is the one he'll take

 SCOX, the publicly traded lawsut

 er lawsuit

 i hope

 just hope MS doesn't buy them and resume suit

 think it's time for bed

 something to sleep on...

 Is UNIX something that will go into the public domain any time?

 MGALUG certainly not... cause then its a fight between Microsoft and GNU/Linux/GPL directly.... Microsoft will never risk getting their necks harmed.

 Hmm, MS buys Sco, continues suit, gets head handed to it on a platter when IBM win's. I would love that.

 stock: yea, they don't want to do that

 but who knows what Gates or Balmer will do?

 Trent : Antitrust.

 they are just the same as Darl

 Yep

 I think that if the case is thrown out early, the victory for OSS and GPL is less definitive.  Or is it just as good as a full trial which rules against IBM?

 antitrust... just a word...e Feds didn't do a thing to hurt MS

 I meant  against SCO..

 Microsoft buying SCO and then attacking GNU/Linux will go against the efforts of trying to avoid Antitrust lawsuits

 Gates doesn't care about those puny lawsuits...

 MGALUG : Wait for the EU Competition Commission to ack.

 Well to date the only place that MS seems to have had any antitrust problems has been overseas.

 EU... now they've got some bawls on them

 teeth too

 http://www.iht.com/articles/118845.html

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 our Free market when it's manipulated by a monopoly like MS is no different than a dictatorship of lies

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 Night all.

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 you too Tosin

 JeffGerhardt... ever seen that cartoon from Boyton (sp?) " Don't let the Turkeys get you down?" ... no pun intended as it's turkey week, but do keep an open mind... last week you were breathing hard

 and now we know exactly why

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 kinda like being almost run-down on the interstate

 take care... chat nextweek  /quit

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