11.11.2003 irc

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All my (old) film stuff was Canon, they know sumtin bout graphics. :)
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Jeff vs Darl should be a good time.
Arne: this may be of interest to thelinuxshow crew...
What's that about, anyhow?
http://p2p-radio.sourceforge.net/about.php.en
" P2P-Radio can distribute audio streams in the MP3 format and video streams in the NSV format over the Internet. This is done in a peer-to-peer way. The broadcaster doesn't need to send the stream to every single listener, because the listeners distribute it among themselves."
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David -- send the link to Kev and Jeff at staff@thelinuxshow.com
whoa.. red dwarf fan.
The new 1.4 Beta supports incoming shoutcast in broadcast/P2P mode, soon to be in listen/P2P mode.
Arne: Done.
Thanks, Dave
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hello
Hello Jeff.
small crowd
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hi Jeff
http://www.forbes.com/technology/enterprisetech/2003/11/11/cz_dl_1111ibm.html
hello
hey arne
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I'm trying out gaim as an IRC client, seems to be working
"Seems to work," said Bill Gates.
hello fed
cool fedoraguy
19 minutes
about 5 to webley
10 minutes
not 19
that should be "9 minutes"
Actually, I really like kopete, but fedora doesn't include it
arne are you ready for marcel
10 minutes! On with the show, this is it!
if i had a nickle for everytime a windows machine crashed i'd be a billionaire--B. Gates
Heh, I've got some tunes playing locally. An appropriate SCO tune came on...Flying Lizards: Money, That's What I Want
hey you all make sure that you have signed up for the email list
Hi Marcel.
we will not spam you
Spam who?
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Yup, I'm here. Ready for some fun?
Hey Arne. I think I'm ready.
no doc tonight
he is in transit
I've been looking forward to this for a few weeks.
JeffGerhardt : Does Doc ever sit still?
Coolness.
Marcel - btw, good book!!
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Thanks, Arne. Just trying to do my part for the cause.
Cool... never tried gaim for this.

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Me either.. I usually use x-chat
hehehe
In this case your cause goes beyond the community, which is right on target.
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great
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good day all
sounds like TLS is finnally on
:)
yay
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hola
webley time
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sounds clear so far
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yep
hi akk
hello
Sometimes irony does not begin to describe life ....
http://www.ibiblio.org/cinepaint/
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Georges Méliè lost a fortune though Edison pirating and distributing "From the earth to the moon"
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arne its webley time
Now, past it's copyright date, it has formed the foundation of a library which could lose hollywood a lot of money.
NZheretic: Isn't that a description of Alice Kramdens projected trajectory? :-)
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we
we're back
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RIP Ed Norton
Heterodyne on Jeff's line
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another episode .. yay
mpresley72 - Indeed! RIP
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anybody remember the agenda vr3? surplusmax.com for $30bux.
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'lo
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Zaurus
clouds too thick...doc stuck in air
Agenda VR3 was recently started up again by another firm.... Not too sure what happened to them.
told some of these guys about the show.... as there are 370 users on freenode fedora channel...
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Agenda VR3 started up again? Hmm, let's hope it doesn't take the same path as the Netwinder
what does the LPI need
oh, interesting, so is US-based..
LL - I run a NetWinder as my DNS server.
My netwinder is running Gonzo -- Red Hat 9-ish
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hmmm... might not be a bad idea... I'm secy of mdlug
metro detroit
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Regarding the VR3, linuxlobbyist: http://www.softfield.com/
thanks for the link
Eggplant -- Motown is my home town
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howdy arne
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Is source code available for VR3?
can you hear me now?
ESR is in the house
indeed
met him briefly at penguicon last year
excellent
lol
Make ESR a permanent member
I would like that
Is he going to plug his book again?
heh
nah, he's a damned fine speaker given any range of subjects, did a nice talk at penguicon
yes
I am thinking on getting it
Moving To (GNU/)LINUX? ;)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33923.html
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hi
lo
Do the french have humor?
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has the show just started?
toga yeah givem a linux iso without french keyboard support.
yeah its called mandrake
at top of the hour, yes
hehe
Brunswick URL again pls?
cheers
toga: only if ur not american
:)
toga: yes, usually related to bodily functions.
http://www.brunswickwdi.com/
segfault... about 10min
heh
http://www.brunswickwdi.com/user_contributions/
hey NZheretic!
hmm it looks like a 'for sale' domain page... (sorry if i say so)
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does anybody have a link to a extensive article of a side by side comparison of patching and patch releases with the os model vs the cs model?
http://www.brunswickwdi.com/contest
Can someone please define "enterprise"... it seems to be one of the most abused words in the English language. It's now totally corrupted.
wickwdi... is that in analogy of the wickywicky online site?
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yea.. what the hell
Howdy, all!
Motor IE Enterprise Edition :P
Konqueror, too
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Every Netscape 2.0 or less had this feature.
Galeon was the first browser to offer Popup blocking.
yea... MS will still be behind
yup
no
no taps
tabs
no tabs in IE
negits
no
sucks
but they are doing it to stop the flow from IE to alternative browsers
CrazyBrowser Blocks popups
what is it? :)
I love Opera
Mozilla / Firebird
haven't used it in a long time cant tell ya ;)
yeah!!! TABS! what about them? they need a full rewrite for 80% of the windows engine for that? WHO HAS been sneaking on Redmond Campus inside the XP code? :)
Where did my audio go?
go arnie :)
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well here is a trade... Holliwood gets out of Linux and we get out of MPAA stupid stuff
Forget IE, try the "Glinks" browser!
thats a win + win situation
does Mozilla on win32 do tabs???
I've used maybe 8 browsers total and IE is the WORST
Yes
Stock Yez
anything on WINdows is a losing proposition
hmm
Yes, Mozilla on win32 does tabs.
I suggest Mozill Firebird
very interesting...
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firebird is nice. its small and quick.
Who are we talking about?
indeed
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Firebird rocks !
I use f'bird, good voodoo
I can't believe I'm missing 24 for this... gladly! I guess I'm a geek
Firebird runs well on Win98 at school.
http://www.forbes.com/technology/enterprisetech/2003/11/11/cz_dl_1111ibm.html
02 Jul, 2001 - Galeon 0.11.1 Released - better popup blocking
disgusting is the word
They were saying that about AOL 2 years ago
Anyone see anything dating back earlier?
DB is in on the act like RBC
Arne take OpenOffice 1.1 along with that, and you save some bucks :)
Stickit "it" up hollywood?
give the URL
:)
btw, SCO's stock price is slowly coming down
IBM has asked for info during discovery about DB
s/Stickit/Sticking/
Alternative reality
"IBM Subpoenas SCO Investors, Analysts "
heh
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http://www.forbes.com/technology/enterprisetech/2003/11/11/cz_dl_1111ibm.html
NZheretic why would SCO Investors be guilty of a fellony???
what was this guy saying about Enron back in the day?
it's not the investors at all. it would be the board of directors and the controlling company
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Hey, any of you using ALSA?
yes
i am
* graywind points at the swear jar ;)
* Arne uses ALSA
yes
We don't seem to have alsa stuff in yum yet.
NZheretic ok ok, i cannot give a couple a billions to Osama Bin-Laden if thats what they mean... but why should a large investor be charged just because he invested some cash?
alsa user here
* wftl uses ALSA too
I used to use ALSA, it doesn't work on my current Audigy 2.
I used to, but after a reinstall ended up back with the standard drivers... which work fine.
stock : False statements in their SEC submissions.
fedoraguy... ask on freenode.net #fedora
Court could happen as early as next month -- see Groklaw on IBM's Motion to Compell
whoa!
Or was that this month? Nov 28 maybe?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SCOX <-- coming down fast yeah, actually, tail end of this month, 29th if I remember right. I've been reading Groklaw like daily bible and verse
The lawers will make most of the money on the SCO case.
all those dudes who went short on scox are gonna cash in big time. I wish I had that kind of cash. grin
Groklaw has replaced many other sites for my news source
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More reliable -- actual court documents
can anyone talk about Desktop Linux Consortium in Boston???
http://www.groklaw.net/
Now might be a good time to buy puts on SCO.
hmmmm....
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2003111102212930
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chapter 11 ??
or section 11 ? lol:))
que?
what is the next court date and what is going to happen at that date?
Isn't that what Klinger wanted on M*A*S*H
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again, I believe it's the 29th of this month and they will discuss the motions to compel discovery on both sides.
I think this is where the judge is gonna tell SCO to shit or get off the pot
interestingly, they subpeoned Yankee group--this is the outfit Laura Didio works for--she was the one that wrote the atricles stating that the Linux code was the same as SCO's Unix
ok
SCO=business.. now there's an oxymoron
served on a platter I hope
sure. she's gotta have sources... may as well identify and subpoena them
Ooh, I like that.
yea...good read
heh
hehe
the grinch
that'd be a Section 8
rofl
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I didnt read that, is funny
The interesting thing is if IBM can pierce the corporate shield and get to Canopy
llobby: doubtful
bummer
They DID HAVE a business - around mid 200 Caldera could have moved it's old SCO support network into suporting Linux locally.
link to grinch?
They DID HAVE a business - around mid 2002 Caldera could have moved it's old SCO support network into suporting Linux locally.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031106164630915
they'd have to be so incompetent as to have done something criminal here. this is just a lawyer acting on his instructions
the grinch ^^
tnx
np
Heh... that same time, around 2001, May, I attended a little Caldera dog and pony show for their Volution server.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031106164630915
Linux is an expanding market, the old SCO profesionals were in a perfect position to exploit the expanding Linux market.
mostly right-wing gun-nut nonsense
Caldera's answer to Exchange, came with ldap and webmail etc...
Eggplant: Uh, you sure here then? I mean, a paralegal on the internet is doing a better job than they are?
(no ? at the end there)
same damned price tag as exchange. Sco were too greedy about it
lol :))
yup
llobby: indeed. Look at the pdf's. Compare what IBm has written and what ScO has written
lolrotf
Doesn't MozillaFirebird allow you to override fixed-size fonts?
does
have mine setup that way
once you read the actual documents, you can see that the folks from sco are totally out of their league here
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beep?
Eggplant: Yeah, I know...I've read more legal docs in the past two months than in the previous 10 years
heh
what about that almost root backdoor in the cvs of kernel 2.6 ? or is this also dead news ?
someone said a naughty word
dead news.
Guess what, they use MS shit to create their web pages.
almost
uh could you go over that again
toga not even macromedia shit
http://esr.ibiblio.org/
I was not paying attention
duh
just plain MS shit
lol @ eric
doh
some clown tried to backdoor a CVS tree that wasn't part of the main codebase. The changes were immediately detected and removed.
UserLinux
Eggplant: That was a good catch, read it from the start.
UserLinux
thank ye
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oh thanks for the link
Eggplant was it typical hacker : just wanna know it its vulnerable, or was their also a "evil" motiv involved ??
Novell -- very bad news for KDE
Gartner a MS pawn/joker.
i hope not, Motor, im a SuSE/KDE fan
stock: in my own hog-f-ing opinion, yes, there was... you've got spammers teaming up with crackers to write viruses to install ddos tools and open proxy servers on borken MSware.
c'mon, how obvious?
or am I being too paranoid about it?
grin
Love this quote from Eric's blog: This sorry state of affairs is one of the better arguments for the proposition, widely shared among my peers, that graphics designers are basically a bunch of dope-smoking ponytailed dimwits who need to be smacked upside the head on a regular basis and not let anywhere near a software or web design without strict adult supervision by a cluebat-wielding programmer.
about Novell : I would't be suprised to find in 6 months that the complete SuSE Engineerung department is sitting at home without a job. The Engineerung jobs have of course been transferred to a ultra low-cost far east country. Thats currently the only financial Engineerung the marketing and sales department can come up with. How sad.
the hulk changed his DNA :)
whats wrong with dope-smoking
Hmm, Digtial Research, Wordperfect, Alpha processors etc etc .
No Novells culture has been redone after they got bought or merged with the consulting company
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<--- dope smoking pony-tail wearing hippy then the pixels look fine
Did anyone see the BIG pot leaf on the cover of FORBES
Novell is close to EDS or IBM consulting now
why does a completely healthy and normal functioning company like SuSE be sold for some million , and hand the ruling over to people who still haven't figured out what linux really is?
missed that.. this month's?
I guess

Novell does not have a choice.
hmmm.... grin
and my instructor thought Novell was dead hehe
stock: who knows? Novell knows their product is pretty much dead in the water in the face of the threat that Linux poses.. so, why not join up with the Rebel Fighters instead of the Empire Stormtroopers??
So did SuSE need the cash _that_ badly??????
SuSE -> SUSE
big change
Why hasn't anyone brought up that they are not a German company
i liked SuSE
heh.... yep, back in like 96-97
no slack?
how is that Canopia Corp. connected to this Novell case?
Four. Debian Redhat Suse Mandrake.
mandrake's gonna come outta the chap 11 thing fine
I wonder how the average German Linux user feels about the Suse acquisition.
Debian -- irrelevant.
good question PhantomsDad.
Mandrake's Distros rock though
I use mandrake here...
http://lwn.net/Articles/57671/
love the shit outta it
ditto
PhantomsDad i guess sofar they raise their shoulders and happily run their SuSE KDE desktop .......
debian irrelevant? You are so wrong
trying out Fedora
"Ransom Love's Linuxworld 2000 Keynote Speech"
http://lwn.net/Articles/57671/
dyne:bolic for diskless station
But MAndrake stands to benefit from RH's abandonment of the desktop
waystar: they certainly do
indeed.
true waystar
dyne:bolic rocks
Red Hat is not abandoning the desktop. Please get it right
Yea... Mandrake's implementation of the desktop is supurb
Look in the TLS archive... We had the dyne:bolic guy on the show a little while back.
there will be many people who want to stay with an rpm-based user-oriented distro. Fedora looks like a reasonable replacement but now that it's not in boxes on shelves, it's a dead issue in some cases
the are abandoning the consumer market, though
the consumer market, yea
who are mostly apathetic to linux... they just by their Dells with whatever MS crap is provided
linuxlobbyist well Mr. Sculicz certainly has told his Inversters speech, to get a couple a financial shoulder tabs. But why does he say that users @home should keep running Windows ???
and AOL
Debian is a shambles for anyone other than hardcore linux-heads.
just use debian unstable, what debian calls "unstable" is the stuff you find in new distros releases anyway
linuxlobbyist : RH has abandoned a large section of those businesses that chose RedHat because of the AVAILABLITY of support. Even if most of them never used it.
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jeez erics weblog is kind scary
Either Debian sorts itself out, and jumps into the modern world or it'll slowly disappear up its own arse.
stock: right. Home users. I do think he's wrong, though
Motor: again, utter drivel.
ESR states it like it is
But Red Hat does have a Workstation product that is aimed at the corporate desktop
what redhat is trying to do is build up a userbase that is willing to shell out some cash to get the support. Support for no or low cost is going by the wayside.
I love Debian but it is a little bit beyond me
Motor: I disagree. It's a bit "fun" to install, but I think Debian runs great and is easy to maintain.
true free speech
yea!
Dr_Aevil: I don't know anyone who uses it who isn't an "expert", or has one on hand.
But there's always gonna have to be a distro for hardcore linuxheads
I know guys in our lug who love the shit outta Debian
like the candidates have a clue
others love suse
NZheretic: Don't get me wrong. I do see Red Hat's move as altogether bad for many business
businesses
well yeah looks that way
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some love redhat and are squealing like little girls over fedora
linuxlobbyist : RH Workstation etc is Overpriced
NZheretic: totally agree
fedora would not recognize my Sound card.. RH 9 would
Dr_Aevil: The perception of Debian is a distro from a previous age that moves forward like a slug and does little but bicker and whine about Red Hat.
Motor: well i do, you rightly place the word expert in quotation marks, I know plenty of people with little experience if linux who use it. Once they know how to type in apt-get install...
which card, mga?
I'm screaming, but not in glee
Debian on the desktop, try Knoppix.
linuxlobbyist : The advanced server is priced OK and enterprise server is good value if your hosting Oracle.
If I can just get the kernel upgraded, I'm switching back to Debian
Motor: no _your_ perception of debian...
default that comes in my old dell.
yamaha
That's probly cause they have to reboot windoze every time the install anything
Dr_Aevil: No... you might try reading outside the Debian mailing lists.
linuxlobbyist i can only take the term "Corporate Desktop" with a grain of salt. why? cause in the past and it has always been sofar until this day : The Desktop Joe User wants to run @home was always very close in resemblance to the "Corporate Desktop"... well thats how it worked.
or turtle beach
linuxlobbyist : But for everything else, RH is way too overpriced.
The biggest problem with Red Hat's new approach is the abandonment of per-incident support
knoppix: Knoppix is very cool.
I thought yamaha sound was really well supported
We'll be right back
IMO
but listening in on my MDK 9.1 box
should have been detected
linuxlobbyist : Yes!.
I agree knoppix is cool, but why do they default to such an ugly desktop?
Knoppix 3.3 11-3 is cool
* toga wonders why he never sees knoppix on #knoppix?
even desktop is nice
One reason why Debian will never be irrelevant is all of its progeny... there are debian-based distros all over the place, beginning with Knoppix and Lindows
listening in on my MDK 9.2 box here :)
Motor: if you or whoever else you're basing these assertions on understood debian you'd realise they simply have a very strict understanding of the word stable - people just install debian stable and apt-get dist-upgrade to sarge or sid, and voila! you've got a perfectly maintainable Linux installation
Rehat should have switched existing RH8 & RH9 users over to a per insidence pay as you use approach.
well, identify which chipset it is, should be able to get the info from dell's support website... then find which kernel mod supports it, add it to /etc/modules.conf.. grin... it's not brain surgery....
Why should a high perfomance lab with 1000s of identical machines be forced to pay several $100 per machine just to get ANY SUPPORT WHATSOEVER?
damnsmall is fun to keep in the wallet
OpenOffice 1.1 is _the_ killer app in the current Linux distro's.
they shouldn't ...period
stock: it's shaping up nicely
Fedora has it
MGALUG : t
My Windows users love OpenOffice 1.1
linuxlobbyist: the lab would be better off going with the free stuff and hiring a top-notch administrator.
MGALUG : the other problem is that Red Hat has stated that Fedora will stay bleeding edge.
If I upgrade the basic system to sarge, will my woody software work?
yea
waystar: Yeah, I think the issue is going to be demonstrating that that is workable.
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as long as MDK can fix their snafu of LG CD drives
Spiderbaby1958: sure, though if that software has dependencies that need to be upgraded it'll almost certainly be upgraded too
heh RedHat Linux Blue Curve a.k.a. Fedora Core 1.0 : do i get a coredump in my mouth ? :)
The Fedora Legacy subproject may prove quite useful to places that need that old style Red Hat Linux type distribution
though it was not completely their fault
MGALUG : already fixed.
yup
true
mga: was fixed last week, before they finalized and shipped cds... I got my cd's today, shipped second day
gotta get the DL version tomorrow
Spiderbaby1958: If you upgrade you would be running the sarge versions.
Dr_Aevil: Excuses for why Debian is all but impossible to install for newbies? Stable... pfff... if we had to rely on Debian virtually no-one would be running Linux
lol
I got dialup, so I was hoping I wouldn't have to download all 10 disks
heh... I had egg on my face from that. had to replace a friend's cdrom that I had tried to do a 9.2 dualboot with
I had one go bad
wow that sucks
We're back!
via a VMware install of a late 9.2 RC
No your not!
Heh
all I need is a newer kernal so can configure my soundcard
The commercial Debian distros are pretty good
love that delay
wiped the firmware
30 sec delay
probably did not impress your freind
Hello everyone!
Motor: So there's the problem couldn't install so your pissed
but was under warranty
rehi y'all
Motor: excuses? you're talking total rubbish you realise - it's not at all impossible to install for newbies - you see there's this thing called a manual - it will be hard for people who have no understnading of computers whatsoever, but provided you've heard of a "hard disk" and a "partition"
just shipped it back
Voyager: No, I got Debian up and running. I just found it not worth the effort.
MGALUG create your own Mandrake 9.2 i586 FiveStar DVD-R (bootable install) http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=83579&cid=7312438:
cool thanks
I'm no expert, and I've been doing fine with Debian on one of my machines
the cd I saw go rotten was an older one outta a compuke pc
Voice
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marcels article on flightgear introduced me to the best flightsim
that was few years ago
Voyager: i reckon he's got a grudge since someone told him to RTFM on a forum or in an IRC channel, and now he hates debian :P
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Its the first column I look for.
I Debian isn't too hard to install for newbies... it asks you about 50 questions but I found that I could bluff my way through most of them... there's always a default
* toga needs to have AOL run under linux without w(h)ine for hi wife.
marcels the man
Dr_Aevil: Just listen to yourself -- as long as you understand harddisks and partitions and read the manual. Apparently you say this completely without irony.
s/hi/his/ Dr_Aevil: Yeah that's my gues too.
still haven't managed to get slaackware working
Motor: err yes, I see "read the manual" completely without irony - I didn;t say "understand" the hard disk and partitions, I said "heard of"
Motor: you're right in that I wouldn't want my mom to try it, but for me it's great.

Wine in a box!!!
bail on slackware and try veclinux
FOr mom, it's gonna be mandrake.
Vector Linux is very good
Dr_Aevil: Do you have any understanding of how most computers are sold, and who uses them? I doubt it... you have that in common with most zealots.
Argh! Got an emergency web page edit just as the show started. Anything terribly interesting get missed?
yeah
veclinux?
I cringe at getting into this debate, but why the heck should I have to read a manual to INSTALL an OS? There should be a FEW simple questions and that's it. Let me read the manual at my liesure as I'm playing with it

Motor: Yeah you have to understand how a computer works
veclinux based on slack but easier to install and a little leaner
If yur into Linux business cards, check out LNX-BBC (www.lnx-bbc.org). $5 at EFF store.
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* waystar remembers installing DOS 4.0
i don't like reading manuals either... i can never seem to find what i'm looking for
* waystar she had to read manuals way back then.
* graywind still has a working Tandy 1000 TL/2
Dr_Aevil: Ohh... in a Linux channel, there are Debian users. Amazing.
I'm no expert and I run Slack and Debian. Finally settle on Libranet
I think my secretary could install Mandrake...
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Motor: i'm contesting your claim that only experts use debian, yes this is a good source of linux users and lo and behold we have people who are not experts using debian
I have a tandy 1000SX that still runs bbs software
my parents windoez box is a mess, thinking of switching them
Linux is no harder to run as Windows, in fact is easier... so whats the difference ? handy humane Administration tools...
or least dualboot
I'd let my mom install MAndrake, except she wants to dual boot
yes!
Dr_Aevil: No, this is a channel with lots of experienced Linux users. I *HAVE* experience of trying to get newbies up and running with Linux -- and I know from that experience that Debian is a dead loss.
THat's why I'll install for her
I'm more of an expert than I used to be... buut that ain't saying much... debians great cause it gives you the most choices
THere is another diff, it's easier to find drivers for windoze, and some programs like realplay
waystar: setup the partitions and let her go from there... if she wants
at least of what i've triedso far
Motor: No this is a channel with all levels of Linux users.
heh... realplay is easy to find
Motor: what you;re ignoring is that they're not saying "I use debian" they're saying "I'm not an expert AND i use debian" or perhaps theyre zealots too
hoo boy
im more zealot than expert
he called me a zealot :P
Last linux install I did was actually easier than the last windows install i did.
ever try navigating the main realplay site instead of googling for it? Its a nightmare
No No No. Mandrake 9.2 is still geeky. 9.1 is for your parents. It's pretty much patched
losemodem
or at least since I last checked
heh
linux is definately as easy to use if not easier in a normal user context but it's the fear of change. People know one thing, they don't tend to like changing in the main
Because noone (users) installs winblows.
Dr_Aevil: And what else are they going to say? Let's face it, anyone criticising Debian faces the same thing... "I'm no expert and I use Debian"... when, in fact, compared to most people they most certainly are.
I would say that most Linux installs are easier than windows installs
Installing winbloze is a nightmare
drop the argument.. yeesh... it's all linux
hey motor take inspiration from this girl: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=85462&cid=7445710
I'm setting up a Fedora Core system for my sister soon...a total computer idiot by her own admission
My mom fell in love with the games on my Knoppix CD
Me an expert? Thanks, but no, I still attend New Linux Users Meetings
Does Marcel talk about other X window managers?
Motor: I dont know what's rubbed you up the wrong way with respect to debian..I can't be bothered to argue any more
Dr_Aevil: Did she set it uo, and does she keep it running? Doubtful... being eight years old, and her dad around to sort it out.
i said take inspiration :P
what I've installed I would rate in this order for ease of installation: mandrake, storm, redhat,win98, debian, slackware(failed)
motor pl;ease pull it in
Dr_Aevil: As you wish... but it won't change the fact that Debian is an anachronism and is heading for the scrap heap unless it starts to change.
this is not an irc for warfare
GUYS, does the book cover KDE or Gnome? <===== yawn, troll
KDE
is somebody really warring in here?
kde's a very good window manager for folks who are used to the windows gui
Dodge and Burn man...smudge is great too
And I'm no artist
Dr_Aevil: Pfff. Maybe you should to stick to talking to people who agree with you.
(I'm still pretty incompetent with gimp)
what happens when you make KDE look like OS X
heh.. it's cooler
* toga uses Debian and XFCE4, guess I'm an expert ;)
waystar: does knoppix have solitaire? I just downloaded the Suse Live CD and it's really cool, but no solitaire
kde3.2-beta looks sweet
knoppix has lots of stuff
PLEASE NOTE: we are polite to each other on The Linux Show. People who are not civil should leave
windowmaker is great
my point exactly motor you have no room in you for compromise, just full of assertions
:o
I generated some gag labels for a play in a metter of minutes with the GIMP. SImple stuff is doable, I've never edited a photo though.
Knoppix has solitaire and freecell.
JeffGerhardt:
I've done a coupla little subgenius art pieces, dobbsheads goofd around
What is that URL?
JeffGerhardt: Hear hear
yea... what's the link
gimp is good for removing redeye on photos.
Hey, I do that all the time!
Xnest, vncserver, etc.
Dr_Aevil: So what do you have? A message on slashdot, from a guy who says his daughter can use evolution once it's been set up for her under Debian?
gimp is great for any imaging processes
oh please now shutup, i said i dont want to argue with you
I really like gimp - very powerful- I use it alot at work
Possibly he chose KDE over Gnome because of the way RedHat broke Gnome??
Debian doomed for the scrap heap? Let me say, in utter civility, I disagree.
gimp, blender, pov-ray, openoffice draw - and that's on a windows machine at work
I used Corel for years... Gimp is nicer as it
is OS
FLOSS
I love using them more efficiently at home on Linux
Why use xnest? Just run 2 different X servers on 2 different vts?
it's fun
Install XFCE 4
Dr_Aevil: So don't.
Debian is a classic... but aI think I need to move from woody to sarge
fedoraguy: yeah, it's fun...plus I have a flatscreen that's a little tempermental and I don't like switch vts too often
Spiderbaby1958: tbh, i've been using sid for a year or so now, and I find it to be fine now - I like playing with new software admittedly :)
Does he talk about "hard" things to do for newbies like 3-D video and installing Java?
Spiderbaby1958: woody is really getting on a bit now - they should rename woody to legacy :P
java install is easy these days
See Xnest in action : http://www.marcelgagne.com/snapshot4.png
mostly
well, I am something of a newbie, and I need a newer kernel so I can get my soundcard configured
installing java may be "easy" getting it up and running on browsers can be confusing
yes, I'm using 2.6-test9 atm
and I haven't figured out how to upgrade yet... so I think I'll just go with Sarge
If using the bin file from Sun it is straight forward... someone needs to publish the directions
yeah, I've had trouble with java in browsers
but I'll get there!
I _should_ if I was to be good, install kernels the debian way, so i dont confuse my package list - but I dont, I just compile them as they are from kernel.org
wow, I could run windowmaker AND Xfce4
Quality not Quantity.
waystar: me too until the latest binary releases from sun
true. only three Linux classes at the CC here.
and the newest mozilla... since 1.3
But Debian is a blast! tremendous amount of choices, a crapload of free software with the dependecies worked out by apt-get... and just the delightful sense that you're not in Windows, Toto!
<-- bulaviti has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) In Orlando Fl the local CC has one Unix class that uses Linux
urpmi on Mandrake helps go that direction too
I'm in Champaign, IL. There should be more here.
very true Spiderbaby1958 :)
its not?
Do you know where Rantoul Il is?
Yea... I had a lady (60s) checking out my bumper mice decoration... L i n u x
I'm in Rantoul right now.
painted mice hangin from my car's bumper
she knew what Linux was...
I used to work in a cheesy hamburger place called Top BOy in Rantoul
well it is originally a german dist so :o
I said cool
once you can run knoppix from flash memory its really gonna take off
that's like Gunu for GNU Kunoppix
or usb memory i meant
luap: already can
really
if pronounced in german, prob kah-nah-picks
You can run Knoppix from Flash now
nite all
for Knoppix
night egg
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Anybody looked at Morphix?
NZheretic: Does that exist yet? I heard there was work going on on it
<-- yylex has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4) like Knopf and Knoedle in in German
Is there an ISO for the modified Knoppix on the net?
yea... Knoppix DVd
that's what we need
There's a Knoppix derivative with 2 CDs.
OpenOffice 1.1 makes Linux very much worth the jump
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=14
There already was a DVD for Knoppix
Once people get more DVDs, the Knoppix DVD will solve the space problem.
whats the name of the knoppix that boots off of the usb sticks
SCO announcment happening very soon
Is printing covered in the book?
doesn't Damnsmall do that?
luap: Knoppix-USB ??
ok thanks
JeffGerhardt: Oh, I wait with baited breadth. ;-)
oh didn't know this
You can save your /home and settings on a USB keyfab.
Q: Where did the name "KNOPPIX" come from?
A: Knoppix's inventor, Klaus Knopper.
Klaus Nopper the maker
What are they claiming to own now?
is it nopper or k-nopper? :)
Knopper
Is CUPS used in the book?
yeah is printing covered in the book?
Dyne:bolic has nesting feature...saves all your settings, email, etc... must be /home type of idea
The "K" is silent.
noppix
Like the "p" in toilet
like gnat
knoppix: You sure? I swore it was K-noppix
I think Klaus' name is pronounced K-nopper
Es ist Deutch, ja? ;)
uh oh, I can't see the prounciation in the faq either
Deutsch*
:)
Knopper is pronounce "Nopper" in German.
maybe he needs to put an audio file into the ISO like Linus did for Linux
:)
(There are lots of Germans where I grew up).
knoppix: Oh. I stand corrected, then. Oh, man, now I have to tell all those people I've been telling about K-noppix. Bummer. ;-)
So how is printing covered, LPR, CUPS, APS, Turboprint?
good night
<-- mharrigan has quit (Quit: leaving) <-- peragrin has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4) knoppix -- thanks for the pronounciation help...
yea... that's good info
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cups works well with HP inkjets
cops?
CUPS! Yaaaaay!!!
what about installing packages?
get your StarBuck CUPS today!!!
cups is a friggen nightmare
CUPS is MUCH easier to user than LPR.
I'm really curious about the whole Knoppix pronunciation now :/
way too complicated
only somtimes, luap.
luap depends on the printer you have
yeah
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https://secure.xecu.net/horde/imp/message.php?index=47
I've taken German for two years now and haven't ever heard about silent letters
Oops, ignore that
same here, graywind
post link to buy it again
What's the title of the book they're talking about?
"Moving To LINUX "
by...?
This book is also subtitled as a tease, "Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye."
its at borders
every word that had K and n together at the beginning was always pronounced
Marcel Gagné.
http://www.marcelgagne.com/KBSODG/
"Moving to Linux -- Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye" by Marcel Gagne
what about Walmart?
Sound is cutting in/out :(
thx
I don't know about the stores, MGALUG, but the WalMart website has it.
graywind: yes I thought so too
they would as they sell Linux PCs
ack
I meant to post this: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-November/msg00659.html
<-- Motor has quit (Ping timeout: 182 seconds) google safe search returned 2,490 hits
for the book
"Moving to Linux -- Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye" by Marcel Gagne
Bring lots of vegetables
QUESTION: Is this going to be webcasted???
will the town hall meeting be available on the web?
rack me--i'm out. it's been fun, guys.
<-- mpresley72 has quit (Quit: Leaving) good show tonight!
I'm getting sound loops in the stream now.
<-- fedoraguy (~nbecker@nbecker.fred.net) has left #linuxshow I agree, very good show
SCOX closed at 14.98 down 9% today
certainly ... good IRCn too
lots of good info
QUESTION: Can we have Darl Arrested by Federal Mashals on the way out of the building?
SCOX SUX!
NZheretic: hehe
SCO = Sue and Cash Out
* waystar is glad she could be here
good god he is asking for help
hide
* NZheretic smiles
knoppix: soon to be Sue and Crash Out :)
QUESTION: Is this going to be webcasted???
Yea... webcast????
Hey someone ask Klaus just how Knoppix should be pronounced ;)
Dr_Aevil: I hope so!
for those on the East coast?
or in NZ
Jeff says he's working on it.
;)
good
He does not merit any effort to make interesing question.
http://p2p-radio.sourceforge.net/
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graywind: i'm sure it's ceh-nop-pix :) but yes, we should ask him
run away run away darl
There is a thread about it on the Knoppix Web site http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1649&highlight=
<-- tbagnara has quit (Remote host closed the connection) what is teh date of this town hall meeting, and where might we find out about the webcast?
run darl run!
We're outta here
hehe :)
/quit
Good show guys. As usual!
thanks guys - good show
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bye
i wont be back next week :( i am going off to military bootcamp. :( :( :(
Dr_Aevil: I'm sure too, but its nice to have an unarguable reference :)
<-- zx81 has quit (Quit: [BX] Have you huggled your BitchX today?) Man the stream is really grunged now.
Yea... thanks Marcel
BYe Good show Thak you
<-- LinuxRiC has quit (Quit: opie&anthony rule) great show guys.
<-- McGurk has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.0rc2/7]) steam here is good
<-- pben has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4) Great show!
graywind: true :) we never know he might have a really random way of saying it - perculiar only to himslef, it needs to be mp3'd :)
broots oww... its winter time... you gotta know when to /join em :)
and all the guys on Freenode #fedora, etc
stream choppy here
<-- jose has quit (Quit: Client exiting) broots: See you in Iraq :-(
MGALUG: You're welcome. Thrilled to have been here!
<-- Glenn (~chatzilla@dhcp-0-20-78-c9-ab-fd.cpe.mountaincable.net) has left #linuxshow goodnight! Great show.
knoppix: im not going to iraq. im in the air force as a computer programmer.
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<-- ljs has quit (Quit: Client exiting) be nice to each other
night all
<-- FH (~chatzilla@d141-81-135.home.cgocable.net) has left #linuxshow gotta get the book
<-- glennm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) <-- PhantomsDad has quit (Quit: KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex") tell 10 friends
wftl: for my friends christmas gifts
<-- terracon (1000@CPE00105ac74aac-CM023489905371.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has left #linuxshow (Client exiting) Dr_Aevil: How about vid recorded like Linus said in Revolution OS
;)
I'll tell 10 strangers
we'll do...
have many more of those, we do.
broots: Good. Two of my wife's cousins are over there and it is pretty rough.
praying for them
* stock how do i get 10 new friends every week ?? hmmmm
graywind: ah, the first time I heard Linus say Linux was an mp3 years ago - not seend a vid
we all are
knoppix: yeah, my best friend is in the EoD and it looks like he's going to be going to Iraq.
Thank you, everybody, for stopping by. The chat room will remain open for a while -- enjoy.
<-- toga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) well, I missed a lot of the show cuz my realplayer kept timing out, but the IRC discussion convinced me that I need to switch to Sarge Debian...
see you all next week
Dr_Aevil: Linus' voice is on the test sound for sndcfg.
Thank you all for your support. Hopefully we'll see you all again next week.
I hope, anyhow
Spiderbaby1958 hey!
Prayer: may this war end soon
next week!
bye, I'm outta here.
if irc channel is up
bye
bugger. Remembered too late to *tune* into TLS again :(
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night all
i hope so, MGALUG
nite Arne and rest of crew, good show:)
God, I wish my neighbors wouldn't fuck so loud. it scares the cats!
HAHAHAHAHA
great show, thanks!
g'night all
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<-- waystar has quit (Quit: Client exiting) I work on an AF base...
Spiderbaby1958: That's what you get by living in a brothel!
<-- doug (~doug@c-24-1-89-159.client.comcast.net) has left #linuxshow (Client Exiting) too many guys over there
I wish
<-- markh has quit (Quit: Client Exiting) great show, later
<-- garsmaz has quit (Quit: Client exiting) really MGALUG? im going into the air force.
I work as contractor
Have fun guys, gotta get in some last-minute shopping.
but directly with GOvt guys
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think I'll start downloading right now... thank god for download managers!
<-- mwg has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.28 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20030917]) broots: did we talk a previous week about the AF? on this show
great show gotta go, bye
<-- Voyager (~stephen@ip142177226254.mpoweredpc.net) has left #linuxshow (Elvis has left the building....) i think so, MGALUG
yea... remember now
NZheretic sofar i cannot make any juice or rotten tomato's of those stories : fact is my Linux system still runs here, i write my daily code , my weekly .doc files in OpenOffice1.1 and sofar i cannot see anyone showing up at my doorstep to convince or seize me otherwise :)
I don't save the chats, but this show's I'll hold on to... lots of links
interesting
too
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night stock
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