12.02.2003 irc

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Single malt is also perfectly acceptable.
it must be almost start time now
mine's playing now
winter has started here too.... had to scrape ice off my car this week...
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:(
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winter in colorado happened a month ago. it's clear here now
NZheretic: well a celeron is not much of a gaming system either lol
weather in naples fl is great 87
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Is there going to be alot of SCO discussion
no
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Let's hope not
discossion
http://linuxdevices.com/files/misc/sharp_zaurus_sl6000.jpg
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I was in the Washington DC area for Thanksgiving. Wasn't as bad as last year
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lo
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good new people closer to having Linux as main OS ( FEDORA) and soon will have connection sharing up and running
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29 her
here
brrrr. here too
great rover4
canada -10 where I am
celcus
I need to get an outdoor thermometer
finally got my wife convinced Linux beats Windoze
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still using win2000 at present but with it dual bootable I'll have the best /worst of both worlds :)
running a modded up copy of knoppix hdinstall..
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heh. I'm still trying to convince my husband
anyone else having trouble getting audio?
Scattered clouds 20.0 C
A moving van fixes weather problems ;)
7 degrees C here alledgedly :)
Well,since we are doing weather, it's -6 here.
in england that is
cool waystar
<-- gas has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031007]) Celcius, of course.
went linux a year or more ago never looked back..
JeffGerrhart got Groklaw'ed
Mandrake 9.2 here
ESR has arrived.
w1 yepper
hello ESR!!!
70%
s2angel: why the s2 if, you don't mind me asking :)
I couldn't get ogg, had to go with mp3
hello
wftl: Celcius, of course.
hey ESR. rock on.
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I wanted to add a thermometer to my outdoor camera
can't get mp3
I couldn't get ogg either
sorry use to a laptop keyboard..
still on the weather
Try the new MandrakeMove Like Knoppix but Mandrake
hello ESR!
got it...
windows explote for dialup modems..
MDK move that is
http://www.mattmarsh.net/webcam/index.cgi?Camera=2
hi ESR
Just got my copy of "The Art of Unix Programming". Good book.
it's a bit dark right now though :)
wineresort.com
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031130210334574 <-- anyone seen this yet? not lucky enough to get a proper boot from it yet...
MDK still makes me laugh. Makes me think of Demolition Man
ogg works for me :)
meta Yes quite amazing
The weather show
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mmmm, turkey
sorry for spaming, old mans place
Whine?
The Linux Show's Town Hall Meeting Transcript
yeah, turkey
makes me sleep... turkey
m00
yea... the news
got it. had to go to North Carolina. Sheesh!
or, Whine
Are you refering to the Linux show transcript at Groklaw?
no
You really get to know these guys from there weather and week rants at the start of each show.. makes you feel like you know em
Eyecon: wave at the camera! :)
you da man Jeff
I'll try :)
groklaw's being /.ed
mac586: its about SCO's own hand in the JFS XFS and SMB by one of their own employees
dry red wine is good for an upset stomach ;)
segfault: try that :)
hehe
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I love the NTFS driver they had on Slashdot. It seems to work well for me
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cumin or comino seeds works too
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ok, it's not brilliant
lol
so an Indian friend told me
Right... Christoph Hellwig's involvement is well known, today's article had some new info
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Scotter: cool. I was wondering about that
it would be fair to allow other republicans run against Bush
its only healthy for the campaign and still maintains choice
technically they can, though they probably wouldn't get very far.
Scotter: I hear there is something in suse that allows you to move ntfs partions
that is true
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Mandrake allows live resizing of NTFS partitions.. and reading them
However that is why parties ought not be pivotal in elections, rather the individuals as they run
I am on my dual boot xp/Suse thinkpad and I clicked on the rpm, yast ran, now I have a noauto entry in fstab and it works
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almost got all the suse disks bittorrent suprnova.org
Chkdsk seems to run after I reboot after major twiddling though
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?Ind=B12
Suse taking charge
Computers/Internet: Top Contributors
http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=7828
great
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yes big problem
I used partition majic but I believe there are tools to deal with NTFS in Suse and I believe the came from Mandrake
indians are cheaper
Hey, Dell uses them for tech support
i like the story about MIT's OpenCourseWare being developed mostly in India
i keep getting told hiring Indians is good for the economy. Great, but it's not good for _my_ economy.
they are paid a pittance
I bought Suse. Now to get my Novell Linux Engineer certification...
I'll change my view on outsourcing to India ONLY when they change THEIR laws that allow U.S. Citizens to work in their country on a visa
Dell is moving most of their tech support back to the USA
In india, they think they're living like kings on $5k/yr
It's hypocritical
comparison recently in the British press - a call centre worker here earns on average £13000, in India it's £1,200
even in US, most tech support solks are from India (in a lot of places)
so I need to move to India in order to get a job?
so if I move to india, will I be like a millionaire?? :)
windowsrefund: Good luck...one guy was told that it was illegal
No, you just need to work for 5k/ur
windowsrefund: that would be great if they would allow you to work there, but they won't
i wonder if working as an illegal is as easy in india as it is in the US
Eyecon: sure, you'd have a huge house and servants - but almost no amenities :)
scp ~/* india:
but if I move to india, I will be able to afford to start my own company? :)
Cisco is moving some of their Tech support back to the US. No one understood the Indians
windowsrefund: lol
lol Jose :)
Dr_Aevil: true: I tried phoning someone in india... what a nightmare just getting a free line...
windowsrefund: don't forget your hidden files :)
:)
Scotter: You think madrake had it first?
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New release of OpenMosix http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/
the pendulum is starting to swing the other way. Indians are cheaper, but the geography barrier and language barriers are turning into big problems
Ithink I recall that somewhere
Adios: the allround training trialing toolkit.
MandrakeMove
I just want a os that I can do a apt-get upgrade every year.. so I do not have to worry about going out of date ..
with USB key from their store
yep MandrakeMove is the live cd
from mandrake
chrisb: OpenMosix looks cool.
Mention the MandrakeMove distribution
fedora
anyoen tried morphix
s2angel: Try Fedora, if you want to be *forced* to upgrade every 4-6 months or definitely go out of date
;-)
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tosin, Morphix is awesome
debian is cool, though it would be nice if updates got going again.
has anyone tried mandrake move yet?
damnsmall is good
and Dyne:bolic
yea
Fedoraactually got my thinkpad buttons working while Susue did not
pclinuxOs is nice too... haven't tried the new MandrakeMove
(non-disclaimer: I use Fedora)
I tried it yesterday and it works quite well. Prettier than Knoppix
Frank: what distro is it based on
yes
tosin, the same as Knoppix ...Debian
but the Nesting feature of Dyne:bolic is super! cool
knoppix is cool
Knoppix is the no commitment Linux.
I've used it on a linux pundit
I tried Knoppix for the first time this weekend and I was moved
add a USB key, pop in the CD and boot it up ...
tried mandrake a long time ago & it crashed during the install, though that was several years ago.
PhantomsDad I have yet to get the PXE boot disk for my 3c905... then I'll be ready for OpenMosix
xine rocks too
I wonder why nobody has made boot CD with test kernel to get broader test
Burn many and hand out to friends.
i'm waiting for a quick-n-easy bootable firewall/router CD :)
U install Debian with Knoppix
tosin, you can actually do an install to hard drive as well for easy install
running off a flash card mounted on an ide cable
what is Morphix?
* meldroc tried debian two years ago, hasn't looked back.
* mark built xine-1.0rc2 last night along with totem.
anyone notice the stream repeating itself?
Particularly Windows friends.
certainly has gotten better
yes
mark: totem is nice :)
has anyone come accross mythtv?
the debian (knoppix ) type cds rock for trouble shooting..
morphix isn't bad. the gentoo UT2003 live cd is sweet :)
But I am been a mandrake user since 2001
windowsrefund, it's a bootable linux distro that runs from cdrom
mythtv rocks
Xine is great
I'm running it on debian
ok
as well as Totem
yeah, I like Xine
got the original Mandrake 5.2 cd here
I like xine, but hate it's retro-interface
on that note... Appeal of DVD hacker's acquttal begins ... http://news.google.com/url?ntc=0M4C0&q=http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/aptech_story.asp%3Fcategory%3D1700%26slug%3DNorway%2520DVD%2520Kid
xine can use win32 libs as well
have xine on my system. very nice
eyecon cheers! MythTV rocks
Slashdot hinted the native ntfs driver would find its way into Knoppix
mythtv looks pretty kool too.. wounder if my old pci ati all in wounder works with it?
Totem is a pretty good interface to it
Morphix ---> http://morphix.sourceforge.net/modules/news/
and it supports gstreamer
Totem ownz. has played everything i've thrown at it! even streaming windows media, and quicktime
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chrisb: yeah, I love mythtv running on an Asus Pundit :)
why doesn't norway have no double-jeopardy in their constitution?
the guy who cracked it is backin the courts
"But on the republican side it seems to be a done deal, no the less" Keeps blocking out the real sound.
there is a myth knoppix version too i think
mythtv.org people
toga: yup!
Why is morphix any better than, say, knoppix?
glasses are cool ...
What do you all think about the Lindows vs MS about the man forced to stop is sales of Lindows
MandrakeMove uses Totem
MS bullies
eyecon the only thing bad is that zap2it.com keeps changing their site so the listings for tv_grab_na (xmltv) cant scrape it
the retrial would be illegal in the US. once you're acquitted of a criminal offense, you cannot be tried again for it.
"But on the republican side it seems to be a done deal, none the less" Keeps blocking out the real sound.
chrisb: agreed :(
but he wouldn't be in the US
typical MS.
morphix has been seperated into modules or something lkike that makes easier for knoppix remastering to be done easier..
has mythtv ever got a mention on the linux show ?
he'd be guilty under the DMCA
no
I think it should if it hasn't
Xchrist
it's an awesome linux project
of course, if Jon was in the US when he wrote DeCSS, he would have been convicted the first time. :(
mythtv/tvtime roxors
i thikn it has been
Memory glasses running on Linux... cool
eyecon do you use a Brooktree chipset, or Zoran, or something else for your TV tuner?
Our lvlug is doing a mythtv demo this weekend.
I use a PVR 250
Eyecon: yes it has..
IBM has a commercial about it
"memo: find glasses"
It was funny and yet impressive
s2angel: good :) I must have missed it#
"But on the republican side it seems to be a done deal, none the less" Keeps blocking out the real sound.
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what sux about Jon and DeCSS is how the big guys want TOTAL control over just where or on what hardware you can watch your paid for movies
toga: yes, anyone else having that problem?
I need one of those inear gadgets. Dress up in a grey suit, black tie, silver tiepin, shades, look like an Agent.
Significant potential for computing everywhere
That's Steve Mann guys.
Wait, you mean like the glasses Auger wore in Earth, Final Conflict?
GOt that right Jeff: much more so than Segway
The cyborg
ozzys guitar player?
yeah, or a spy from ALias or La Femme Nikita
Memory glasses can transform the need for PDAs
"memo: find glasses"
LOL
SCO filed for a month's time to answer IBM's question. What are the chances that they will get another month?
but maps, data etc. would be nice additioin
yes I need thous glasses..
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as you can see, we have been watching you for a long time now. it seems you have been living two lives...
"But on the republican side it seems to be a done deal, none the less" Keeps blocking out the real sound.
MythTV in LJ: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6942
yes but the glasses are huge .. the fellow from toronto
You're welcome
yea LinuxLobbyist
yada ya da yada
What's that? I can run emacs on my glasses?
lol
you can run emacs on anything??
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lol
i need one of those
yada ya da yada
I heard someone ran it on a salt crystal :p
"But on the republican side it seems to be a done deal, none the less" Keeps blocking out the real sound.
yea, BG sux too
His comments on security was ridiculous
toga: try a different stream. I'm not hearing it
"I'm learning LISP so i can program my glasses."
whqat about the electromagnetic damage to humans?
It's like saying it's so expensive to get off of heroin
* meldroc snickers at Mr. Bill talking about expensive Linux
it fell over when they did M-x doctor though
:p
Trying ogg
ESR made it plain
Excellent interview
psychoanalyze-pinhead
s2angel: articl in Infoweek?
Prudential interview!!!!!!!!!!!
yep
let me see if the ogg feed works...
on electromag damage?
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/prudential.html
cost so much to go and get a simple server running .. tons of software needed.. frig .. knoppix seems to have it all on a standard disk..
Great talk.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/prudential.html
Im using the lq feed. mp3
me too
same here
Ihad the repeat on the ogg feed at ibssnet.com-2
I'm using real, works great
Scotter: confirmed
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this oughtta be good
not getting ogg very reliably here. maybe that server's getting slammed.
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i've got better luck with the mp3 feed from linuxquestions.org.
whats his website.. whats that link.. ??
Pru suxxors
I will use real when my body lies cold cold cold on the damp dark floor
hi all
Who did the study on security frequency for Bill Gates?
meldroc... mp3 here...lq feed good
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getting good feed from mp3 from linuxquestions.org too.
He obviously doesn't know the facts
that bg interview was entertaining
Ahhh, LQ is a better feed.
hehe
oh
tosin: that's never stopped him before
lq back up. i've had hardly any skips from them
BG knows how to spread the FUD
can anyone paste the direct link?
i wonder if lq can be talked into providing an ogg feed.
for?
How about knowledge of those setting up sites?
http://stream.linuxquestions.org:8000/linuxlive <-- works Is Darl McBride Linux's worst enemy or is it Microsoft?
yes
microsoft
option 3: are they one in the same?
Darl is simply an idiot
cover of Infoweek
it's a toss up
ms have money :)
Think about it: if apache runs 2/3 of servers worldwide, why aren't there as many complaints as IIS which runs less than 1/3 of webservers
sco don't have a case
LOL
yes
it might be Darl a biggest threat for 'the linux show'
ms wants to squash linux, darl wants to own it
lol
certainly looks like he's an idiot
IBM's gonna eat SCO's lawyers for lunch. The only thing SCO has left is delaying tactics.
darl wants to milk it dry, not own it :)
on the cover of IWeek
Story: An analyist looked at a small business which used cars to move goods to customers, some of the operators had to take double trips to some customers. So the analyist suggested switching to vans ...
I dont think Darl wants to own linux
Darl doesn't want to own Linux, that's a smokescreen
NZheretic: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/prudential.html got the link sorry just missed it made my screen bigger
lol
I've actually heard that joke
If SCO keeps delaying discovery it can stop Linux from gaining market shares on the desktop.
... so the business switched all its salesman to vans , and it cost the business more ...
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evening
The Groklaw article today was excellent and definitely solidifies the fall of SCO. Hence its not a matter of whether they are going to fall, but when. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031130210334574
... - deploy where it make sense.
think the judge can justify telling SCO to put up or shut up?
s2angel... if you're using xchat, then there's a URL grabber builtin... very nice
for such
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I was reading Groklaw and a lot of the comments there said the judge has to let them have a few more delays, otherwise theres a chance the verdict can get overturned on appeal.
Lots of IM clients have that, including gaim and kopete
If they delay, the case will be squashed, if they don't delay and handover all the evidence (code) they claim is infringing,then the case could be furthered
yea
gaim does too... I think
usiong gaim
using
see that now
yep
i' m good
i keep wondering why the judge isn't busting SCO and their lawyers for barratry.
or vexatious litigation.
Without Symantec and Computer Associates, MS's security would be worst
Shattering Microsoft's security myth...
Bill Gates also stated that to use linux on an Enterprise level, you would have to purchase a ton of third party add-ons.
Wow, I get to use kdict
and mcse's too
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:iQCFjKMIkSwJ:lists.immunitysec.com/pipermail/dailydave/2003-September/000044.html
My boss literally said "choice is bad"!
you know, the uniform architecture stupidy--goes against the multiple supplier rule most companies have for all suppliers.
but i like choice!
I hope they get rocked and it makes international news.. even the corrupt bush controled tv stations.. fox/abc/cbs/cnn...
In 2000 Chris Paget(foon@ngssoftware.com) rediscovered the flaw in the Windows GDI messaging design...
M$ is ready to give away security software for a year. Until they can take over the market.
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5408/info/
my boss has said that if something is free, it has to be bad
Brett Moore has released a paper entitled "Shattering By Example" which summarizes previous Shatter attacks, discusses new techniques and also provides an exploit which abuses Windows statusbars ...
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Thisis weird. My wifi card uses dhcp to get an IP, I can talk on the local subnet, but it doesn't rout packets to the router under Suse
waystar: You need a new boss
The first Microsoft Knowledge Base article that documents this issue dates back to 1994 ...
PhantomsDad choice is bad?
waystar: Tell him to stop breathing then ;)
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http://security.tombom.co.uk/moreshatter.html
Hmm, this choice stuff...sounds like a good segway into segment 2...UserLinux
check routing table
choice requires thought
and remind you that is patented
stock: No, I think choice is good. My Boss said choice was bad. Go figure..
fedoraguy and toga: he turns red when I show him amazing animations made with Blender
Scotter: I hear you gotta play with how they do ip tables.. not sure still awaiting for my copy to finish downloading
;)
Next ESR book suggestion : "The Buracracy and the Commons"
bittorrent suprnova.org suse all 5 cds.. under apps
well the situation is simple, a couple o board of director's (dirty dozen?) all need a silver bullet, and tech and service personel resume business as usual.
yes, but it should just be set by dhcp. The same dhcpd server feeds the eth0 interface and xp routes fine.
* meldroc doesn't understand PHB thinking. MS salesdroids have much power over them.
Isn't suse non-free?
* toga runs 2.6.0-11 :)
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yea... 2.6 write-up good stuff
Oh, I did enable iptables
WWOL2.6 is quite excellent.
http://kniggit.net/wwol26.html
Url for 2. article?
any discusion on debian's kernel exploit?
suse overly secure I think.. have to lossen it up
PD: posthast
I bought Suse 9 Pro
<-- bigmase521 has quit (Quit: Leaving) it was a buffer overflow in the brk system call IIRC?
MGALUG: thx, you read my keboard!
its free.. they have a problem with the bittorent release but well they don't seem to care so much according to a french or some othere language press release on it..
lol
yay, 2.6!
I have a us branch of a German firm I need to set uyp a server for and I was thinking.....
I opened all the URLs from the site prior to the show start
http://secunia.com/advisories/10328/
Users of fedora1 are not affected, the flaw had already been fixed
it was fixed in 2.4.23, 2.6.test6+ and Debian's 2.4.18 packages.
The update is available from readhat already!
fedora was okay, but redhat 7.x, 8.0, 9 were all vulnerable
knoppix is in the 2.42x.. now are they not..?
now if we could just get the Via chipset madness resolved :(
yea... got the errata today
2.4.2x
* meldroc is running 2.6.0-test9. I'm immune. B)
My question, if the fix was already in fedora, why wasn't anyone else notified???
The first Microsoft Knowledge Base article that documents the shatter vunlrability dates back to 1994 ...
My ? is how as a kernel/security known problem not patched asap i.e. with a new kernel 2.4.23
It wasn't considered a huge hole
had to be local user--- right?
until the debian crack
http://security.tombom.co.uk/moreshatter.html
Read details on lwn.net
Re clueless pundents : You have to wonder how really clueless they really are. It is getting to the point where you have to start questioning not their competency but their integrity
at least it wasn't enough of a hole to enable a huge worm.
Can remote users exploit it?
MGALUG: yeah, sniffed a password I heard
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internet exploder...yea...crap it is
exploder
PhantomsDad: Nope. Local exppliot only
And I should care, why?
most of them are like Bill O'Reilly. They'll take an obviously unpopular or wrong position just so they can fill their shows or columns with arguing.
meldroc : it's only localy exploitable - not remotely.
I got sick of finding new software I did'nt install when I used xp and IE.. lol..
all... I mean all the IT guys I know and many users know IE as internet exploder
yea... on to the tablet
the scraplet pc
yep. that's what I said. It's not enough to enable someone to write a worm.
I want a Padd damn it
PhantomsDad: It was a bug in a kernel call brk().
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I'm gonna pay thousands for an echa-sketch?
http://www.elementcomputer.com/
and a copyright policy for the pages
Oops. The lwn.net article is a for pay one. Should be available for all later. Info is probably available elsewhere, anyhow
http://www.msnbc.com/news/999960.asp?0cv=TB10&cp1=1
http://lwn.net/Articles/60948/
half the time when I'm asked to fix friends' windows boxes, i'm cleaning off viruses
its a via. though...
Via means no heat to speak of
Do they supply source for their hardware drivers?
via also means slow..
JEFF !!! It's not an Intel processor - ITS VIA -
anyone up to speed on what's goin on with linuxgazette.net? If so, that would be a nice thing to describe to our audience
s/our/the
wrong article. Sorry. The debian report is here: http://lwn.net/Articles/60924/
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/02/1536227&mode=thread&tid=106&tid=185&tid=190&tid=201 (slashdot coverage on the ntfs.sys driver... 500 comments?)
<-- Frank has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Via also means trouble if you want to run linux 2.6
Processor: 1 GHz VIA� Antaur
batery life will not last 3 hours on linux..
via, trouble, 2.6?
isnt via = old cyrix
* meldroc knows what processor not to buy next time he goes computer shopping.
I hope not... I'm using a 1Ghz Athlon here
unless they tweek it so.. cause a standard load.. .. sucks the power
with via MB
saer : yes.
all kinds of pic troubles on our Via box
Stock It works nice but I couldn't delete a could gig directory for some reason. It was flagged read only
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wow I miss the signal
via is cyrix yup.. was
crappy chip back in the day
Cyrix and Centaur
Scotter can you create new files/directories?
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S L O W
stock YES
who is making those machines for element computing
possible guests .. what about someone from freedesktop.org, Keith Packard or Havoc Pennington
Scotter hey thats enough :)
It works WELL as you would expect a RW filesystem
heh
whelp, I have good news and bad news
LOL
yep
I will build a cheep Linux laptop and see if its worth it or not..
The no windows policy has no link.
goois the show over?
It looks to be written in PHP
Seems fine with konq
oh ok..
fine with Mozilla 1.5
Scotter hey thats even briljant... do you have any idea how many Enterpri$e labled packages (based on a msdos ntfs driver) are sold for many dorrah's ?
Jeff, I am using Mozilla 1.5 and everything works on the Element website
who is making the machines
lol
I'm told by reliable sources, that most laptops are all built by the same companies in Taiwan
anyone know where to get the remote exploit patch for older kernels? (2.4.20)
"Maximum threshold reached. Please try again."
Works ok on my mozilla 1.5-3
which site is this?
Mozilla 1.6a displays it well too
www.elementcomputer.com
segfault: it's a 1-liner
I am using Mozilla 1.4 and it is rendering well as well.
well, 2-liner
yeah, Well!
I hope someone briefly mentions what's up with linux gazette
TreMobyl: wicked, know where I can find it?
ha ha :-)
Renders fine in MozillaFirebird 0.7 fine here.
Apurva Mehta
walmart.com now sells Microtel laptops without OS. No MS tax. Transmeta CPUs
Small mind, big mouth
Boggles the mind that NewsForge would publish it
segfault: the patch itself? just look for the links to the change description
oh, nice Alert popup if you right-click an image
running konqueror, seems to be fine.
URL please
chrisb: how much is it?
walmart link http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product_listing.gsp?cat=126548&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A4070%3A126547%3A126548
converter: yea...
NZheretic: Lycoris is starting to sell in Noel Leemings now
bingo! a programming employee inventing/writing briljant software is basicly doing his boss a favour and a thief of his own wallet.
ack...you called them friends
so is TLS over now?
rants are fun
half time
How about an album reflecting on opensource, SCO, IBM, and Linux (in general)
when the briljant program is finished, the employee gets fired and maintenance is tranferred to India?
saer: ah. Danke.
TreMobyl: no
Are you awareof this resource http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sco.com
Darl's his own worst enemy. :D
tosin lowest price I saw was $699.98
TLS is still running
Darl should die slowly and painfully
What linux dists support transmeta?
chrisb: thanks
wish I had my new laptop already; it would actually be mobile (wife is watching tv)
TreMobyl... break
time
Groklaw rules!!!
anyone heard any news on the NVU project?
fedoraguy: all of them
think the SEC will bust him for pump n' dump?
like 5 years burried under 300 pounds of hungry worms
Jzarecta: Careful what you say...Darl may feel he has to hire another body guard
since lius worked for them and helped creat them...
Groklaw's new site: www.groklaw.net
new tunes
rather than torturing him, it's more fun to give him enough rope to hang himself.
new tunes?
hey thats quite a guiness book record: everything this Darl shouts is a lie?
Yeah, but what dists support it?
80's tunes again?
yup
same
yes
heh
:< NOOOOO !!!!, its the same tune again
theyve been playin this for weeks
bigmase last time I heard about the NVU there was still developing closed door
Thank the CARP rules for the limitted selection of music
I get this song stuck in my head
me too
bigmase: I think they will release it in a 2 month period
* meldroc ought to download some more tunes using iRATE-Radio
waystar: LOL me too
hmmm 2 months not bad
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iRATE has some rough edges, but does its job well.
where's that RIAA royalty free mp3 for this song to be downloaded ??
Gates: If you look at security, there are three things to consider. One is the number of critical security updates. We are significantly better than Linux or Unix on that.
looool
thats a nice quote
define "critical"
Jzarecta: Yeah. Just an assertion with zero evidence presented
Well. I just noticed thos on Growlaw. There is a transcript of the TLS Townhall meeting. Jeff corrected the transcript and added his own commentary..
define "better"
heh
InJzarecta : 2002 Chris Paget(foon@ngssoftware.com) rediscovered the flaw in the Windows GDI messaging design...
I am getting Arne saying that, "there big notebook cost 1200 bucks which is Pentium 4 based" is everyone else getting this too?
i do notice that security updates on linux tend to be presented as more urgent than equivalent Windows updates.
and when Windows ships with ten thousand packages, including fifteen ftp servers, seven http servers, three complete office suites, then we can compare patches released. ;)
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5408/info/
The Linuxshow townhall meeting transcript was just posted on Groklaw
a local root exploit would be given the same urgency as a Windows remote root exploit
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031202094830445
The first Microsoft Knowledge Base article that documents this issue dates back to 1994 ...
NZheretic: thank you very much for the help with the sound card
[and all those who helped; I'm bad wit hremembering names]
No the 1200 is a celeron
to Gates : when a critical security update is out for linux, every admin knows where the goof is.... now explain to your MCSE admins where the goof is inside "critical windows updates" ? ehhh i just run start-->run--> windows update
NZ... are we in a time warp here? .... repeating yourself
We're BACK
isn't that the one that cannot be fixed without breaking compatibility?
McGurk, are you hearing Arne too?
;-)
good
no
:)
is this brainwashing?
Arne: you're back, lagged. ;)
Microsoft had the opertunity to depreate the GDI interface from 1998 to 2000 with the development of win2k.
I want my xfc xfc xfc xfce2......................
bruce, woohoo!
NZheretic: Lycoris is starting to sell in Noel Leemings now
I am hearing now!
Buffer delay
I was typing as fast as I could.
Hi Bruce!
still tunes here
Pentium 4 based!
heh
for $1200 i want a ATHLON.. not some P4 cut down crap..
toga: and network latencies, yyy. ;)
Welcome Bruce. Here you are among friends.
s2angel, I would like an Athlon based laptop too.
wb bruce
gimme an athlon 64 or opteron. Make it two.
greetings, Bruce
Arne, STOP!
I can't take it!
Nice to actually hear your voice. ;)
Wow, TLS kicks butt!
;-)
userlinux.com?
qgonjon What happening to you
Yes
yep Lycoris, Lindows, Xandros
Is Linux Ready For The Desktop(TM)?
actualy forget the laptop I want a Mini xpc shuttle system.. with a lcd.. cheeper then a laptop.. faster nicer normal compontents
http://whiteboxlinux.org/
<-- trent has quit () Any ideas on a 12" laptop for a reasonable price?
with a apc 500va you got a decent long life battery too
can't say its more unready than Windows at this point.
oh Linare Desktop 1.0 is a RedHat rpm based distro... i got a single cdrom version here.
ibook
Xandros 2.0 is nice
meldroc: It's ready for mine... :)
Vendors who utilize linux for profit will end up loosing some customers.
stock: got a url for that?
lol www.s2angel.com sells some pretty Sweet deals on mini systems
Just look at RHEnterprise vs. Fedora
hmm
let's see. slick desktop? check. Office suite? check. Web browser, email? check. why would it be unready?
linuxlobbyist heh, i got it pushed in my hands today :)
Desktop Linux, the reference implementation
good idea
yea they do
Same as a "rising fund" for a building.
lots of users depend on it too
can't force distros to follow it, but it's a good idea
the business of lin ux should be based on services rather than a product branding
stock: visiting google now
tosin: I'm not convinced
some people bundle better than others
meldroc No Centrino?
Got to run, have a great evening.
Well the kernel will always be available, people can build on that for services
[that's all a distro is, when you get down to it]
<-- ljs has quit (Quit: Client exiting) * meldroc shrugs they should run a tracker for the linux show archive to save bandwidth costs.. and also get linux show standard on the knoppix links and stuff like that
Arne STOP!!!!
bittorrent rules.. (the more people that want it the faster you get it technology!)
Please Stop ARNE from advertising!
the only gripe i have is OpenOffice is slow as molasses.
KOffice is faster, but not as polished.
I don't find OO to be all too slow
TreMobyl: Linux is more than what a company classifies it.
http://whiteboxlinux.org/
OO starts better with prelinking (fedora)
Not linux, a distro
<__ircmonkey> Argh!!! What's with the "their new notebook, the Nitrogen 1000.." looping continuously?!?!?!?
Arne,please stop for the love of GOD!
winXP is an "OS" which can only run "modest" by abusing absurd high amounts of computer resources.
Like "United Linux" ? ;]
OO mibht be slower than MS Office, but it beats the socks of them..
the repeating is stream specific
ow. 34 second load time for OO.
yay debian :)
switch streams if you hear Arne repeating
I can't take it any longer. Someone stop Arne!
OO is great..
OO 1.1 ?
on a 650MHz athlon running Debian Sid & KDE 3.1.4
OO also starts faster if you either apply a patch discussed recently on the OO Dev list, or if you add "127.0.0.1 localhost.(none)" in /etc/hosts
yes debian is the right choice...
* Dr_Aevil shoots qgonjon
it works great once it gets going.
meldroc on my mandrake 9.2 its 10 seconds (PII Xeon 450 Mhz)
* TreMobyl pats Dr_aevil on teh back
qgonjon Switch streams
I like OO, it has so much that I need
scalc works nice with out crashing when I do weird database stuff with it.. crashed it at a comdex demo.. to show ms how buggy there excell was
TreMobyl lemme try that.
OO on a 1Ghz Athlon 600+MB ram up and running in 10secs
Scotter I have no idea what you mean.
meldroc: I think that's what you need to enter in /etc/hosts
yea stock
OO is slow true, but if u want quickness you got a 1MB siag-office also :)
that's what I'm talking about.
correction 6 secs 2nd time starting
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do they publish the linux show on shoutcast?
or a Abiword which is pretty polished
s2angel: would be nice if they did
<-- pants has quit () don't think it makes a big diff, tho
Fedora will probably be adopted well more by small-medium size business due to its influence not just from RH but also other main project communities like Debian
it's a bit faster now. thanx
* TreMobyl loves Impress
get more attention to it.. like live365.com and stuff..
Debian will definitely benefit from RH's move
MGALUG i have indeed 1024Mb ram onboard (which is insane of course)
heard lots of users of RH switching to Mandrake
lol
OO starts in 9 secs on fedora (athlon 1800)
nah... the more the better
I think Red Hat is in the process of proving they _aren't_ a "benevolent oligarchy", aren't they.
Would some of the $ go to Debian?
I bought Suse because of the RedHat flack
yep
live365 you can just upload recent epa sodes and let it go till next live feed
* waystar switched to Mandrake last spring
meldroc: check your hdparm settings
I already ran SuSE
Wharthogge: I agree
Bruce, please explain how yet another distro will solve the problem. <== Red Hat's a business. They do what it takes to make money. At least their switch to the enterprise market isn't nearly as evil as Microsoft's business as usual
Microsoft should do what Redhat did
IDIC
Mandrake 9.2 automatically optimizes the hdparm settings ... dma, etc
It took OO 20 seconds too load on my Fedora Core 1 laptop.
hantom: still not certain what the problem being adressed is.
do the sam qgonjon
fedoraguy running OO using a Celeron is of course useless, as this CPU cannot address/cache even enough RAM which is needed to even fire-up OpenOffice :))
does anyone think the mini computer systems on s2angel.com are a good deal?
meldroc: Though that is their objective, they know they have to support the community that brough them into existence.
OpenOffice is *huge*
s2angel: is that an ad?
not as big as MSOffice XP
OO rocks in many respects, not the least is the various UNO Bridges
Just remember, make programs work first, then make them fast
oo works ok for my needs on a celeron.. mind you you add too much more oging.. things get sticky
OO has more than MSOffice XP
never touched that... stopped with ms office 2000
Fedora is to RHEnterprise as Openoffice is to StarOffice (or viceversa)
<__ircmonkey> OOdraw kicks some serious butt!
had to get it with new Dells at work... seldom use it now
OOdraw *is* awesome...I use it instead of PAgeMaker
IT is what I do...
of course
I like dia
OO's file formats are actually comprehensible. Mmmm, xml
__IRCMonkey yes, combined with decent printing using cups, its pretty hefty gear :)
I can load a file from a ftp.. through konqueror and save.. I mean you can not do that in windows.. I live for thouse features
but use Mandrake with VMware or VNC for any WIndows work I need to do... i.e. pagemaker, outlook
konq has TONS of protocols. ssh, fish, more all the time
the 'costumers dont know what they want' and push economy is a 'law' in IT
corel
anyone used staroffice 7 and compare it to oo? is it better?
MGALUG: I got a problem with VNC at least tightvnc, I cant get the whole screen...
so can we conclude Linux is ready for the business desktop? i think it is IMHO.
<__ircmonkey> #stock: you said it.
Sun is giving StarOffice for free to Chinese students
I been trying to get a copy of wordperfect 2000 for linux (you can't even buy it!!!)
or least I can't seem to find it
MGALUG: and when I go up, the scroll bar doesnt work down... is that a known bug
all my screens at work are 1280x1024 or larger.. so no prob for me
I don't agree. MS is evil. Just because we have a small number of linux vendors, doesn't mean they are MS.
but have seen that
Bruce is right. But that's what White Box Enterprise Linux is doing
i'd pay $100 for WP8 for linux without blinking
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not sure... try running it in a console to see the errors
they want you to agree to all these legal terms if you sell there software.. frig when you open the seal to load on oem systems.. its nuts.. they should be stoped..
or with debug switch
wordperfect was decent. Haven't seen it in a while though.
the only thing "last mohikan" diehard windows home users can come with today is : gamez and USB gadgets not working.
fedoraguy: is not about the size, but the business model
I just installed my third system running RedHat Enterprise 3. Sweet. I don't perceive the same poser and $$ grab being discusssed here.
<-- jj_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) USB support is improving. there are a few buggy usb devices that screw things up though
<-- bigmase (~jason@bgm-66-24-196-127.stny.rr.com) has left #linuxshow and maybe 3D support for insane Video cards
What's nuts guy, is that the Company owns the software... even when you shell out the big bucks
all my usb stuff works.. frig the support comes daily new stuff..
(cough)Logitech!(/cough)
Oh... and 90% of RHs customers are renewing their subscriptions.
the gaming zone the most popular games have linux versions so what gives?
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i am ashamed to say I actually like a couple of Microsoft products - their mice & joysticks.
lol
heh
meldroc you got the vibrating mouse??
they still make good hardware... but they'll disable Linux support... as soon as Bill gates figures out how
lol stock
s2angel.com makes money from support calls.. weather its a linux server or a ms one.. only diffrence is we make more from the windows servers.. they call more..
nope. got an older Intellimouse explorer w/ the extra buttons.
meldroc: technically Microsoft did not manufacture them, they probably came from the same building as Logitec's plant and put their stamp on it.
<-- jj has quit (Ping timeout: 198 seconds) I like the ultimate gaming mouse on thinkgeek.com
haven't tried that one.
logitech optical here... dumpster find
I like the blue light mod and fan mod people do to ther emouses
intellimouse comes a long way... even Suse 6.0 has intellimouse support :))
works fine... labeled gateway
are Logitech's more recent mice (like the cordless optical rechargeable) decent?
Fedora with its SRPM of Enterprise is Fedora Enterprises
lol
RH did shoot themselves in the foot
isn't MS getting out of the joystick business?
we run clients servers on debian
and will cut off their heads to save the foot.
redhat limited
"...whereas Linux has range of security-compatible products ( securer servers & applications ,
chroot & LSM etc ) from which *END* organizations and individuals can *USE* to generate revenue. Enough of that revenue will be spent to make alliances with third parties to collectively develop new functionality, as well as directly suport the development infrastructure that has assisted in over one billion (a Gigabuck) worth of development to freely available source code available in
Linux distributions today."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrnapf7bg.dtc.heretic@heretic.ihug.co.nz
I personally wonder if any group that's not an org can maintain "open source" in the long run.
fedora uses apt
and apt-get for rpm works on it.
I wonder how Bruce feels about distro's like SuSE that are somewhere between the two extremes he talks about in his manifesto...
MGALUG i couldn't tell... you have some reallife experiences ??
Fedora is like Debian, but realize the reason why corporate enterprises aren't using Debian and Fedora
redhat the cloest thing to a limited structure in my opinion
<-- wftl has quit (Ping timeout: 198 seconds) Why is fedora any more like debian than is any other dist?
they don't have Corporate Support & Backing.
tosin: someone to blam when things go wrong?
stock: with?
MGALUG redhat
have used it
saer: exactly
yes they pay companies small contracting companies like s2angel.com to do the work
and fedora...
hate it
* meldroc wonders why that's such a big deal. IME, corporate tech support sucks dogs. I always get better luck figuring things out myself.
both ... like Mandrake
includes mp3 suppport
fully
Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation
<-- __IRCMonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 198 seconds) Meldroc I am with you there!!!
That is why linux should not be a product classification, but more toward services.
no need for a stupid plugin download
Google is good enough support for linux
from contribs
They still think Linux is Red Hat
look at ProgenyLinux which is using Debian as a basis of deploying linux OS and services
can't say having someone to blame helps either. MS and every other company disclaim all responsiblity for software problems. All you can do is wail helplessly at them and hope the fix it. if you take them to court you'll lose.
RHEL is sold to big corps wanting to migrate from expensive UNIX-en... the CFO just puts old UNIX contract next to RHEL contract, and sees all "features" are present, and the price is lower. aspecially IBM customers love it.
even got a half DVD of contribs updates for MDK 9.2
tosin : complete with Random Love as VIP/
I wouldn't be surprised is a company was established to turn Fedora into a well supported linux for corporate enterprises
Thats what I said before, costumers, want to be costumers a-la microsoft
really beats Redhat for home use...
That can steal some market from RH's Enterprise 3.0
they understand and believe the their IT costumer position
Mandrake is stealing home market... and Lindows
with redhat when it comes to upgrade they kinda left the old redhat users in the cold? did they not?
yea
Why can't an org do what redhat did?
I never had any prob with redhat upgrade
sure they can
probably more effective in the long run just to hire a good linux guru, and replace him with another if he can't do the job.
no knoppix is stealing the home market.. wish they make a knoppix with evolution again
Yeah, Bruce has a good point. RHEL desktop is way more expensive than Windows on the desktop. Server is a different matter of course.
* waystar wishes a HW vendor would sell computer preloaded with Mandrake...
suse is like 70$ something for there main licence I think.. whats there support costs?
...not for me, for my family
is RHE downloadable or buyable from cheapbytes?
s2angel: Just do a hd install of knoppix and apt-get -install evolution
SuSE is $79 for pro, $39 for regular
90 days free, s2angel.
we'll if you have a $500K instrument that will only run windows 3.1, then that's what you run...
What about Sun's product? Isn't that $100 a seat with support included?
OMG, you wouldn't believe how many people out there run ancient crap like Win 3.1 or just MS-DOS.
waystar: didn't wal-mart do that?
Service - Thats what everyone where I work wants...
not that they are hardware vendor, but...
toga: lol, no man.. its more like a hdinstall , then manualy play with confilics.. if you do that you will eventualy find yourself without a GUI lol done it a few times.. Knoppix is Unstable.. and testing
MGALUG: linux with win3.1 running under vmware :P
or netware
;P
the real deal is the Open Source part : paranoid customers can put it to the test, like in China.
Nothing wrong with MS-DOS, as long as it does what you need.
never did what I needed
MGALUG: I thought they tried Lindows, though not near my family
finally saw the light with Linux
if the open source software is buggy or doesn't do what you want, you can fix it so it can.
90 days thats not bad.. considering thats the point whee you work out the bugs
lol way
* waystar wants to encourage her mom with Linux, but she's had enough of mom over holiday
:)
lol
my mom runs OO and Mozilla
What I need is an apt-rpm repository that is kept up-to-date and charges a reasonable fee (less $70/yr).
I did install OO and GIMP for my mom last weekend
she realy likes the spam controls
* meldroc will stick with Debian. He's had it continuously for two years and behaves impeccably, even though he's running Sid.
TreMobyl how many phone calls did you receive from here sofar? :)
dad, most computer illiterate person on the planet uses SuSE now. :)
Market differenciation
waystar: as a dad, i can confidently suggest that mom can probably say the same. :)
once knoppix is all stable .. a propber apt-get would do all that nicely.. hopefull.. I think little things like that hold it back.. I perdict 2.6 a year from now .. more wine support and smb.. and bang there is nothing you can say about the linux world.. windows will better be dam good by then lol
stock: only a couple.
just cleaned up a friend's WinXP system... they had no antivirus since they plugged it in over a year ago to cox.com highspeed isp...
s/here/her/
PhantomsDad: just install Debian
loads of viruses...
or they will be a good run for there monies
TreMobyl oh thats not bad at all :
converter: I'd have to agree with you there
Biggest issue with her, aside from just learning how to do presentations, was how to export to MS Office.
sometimes things break because it's Sid, but usually, it's either a hardware problem or I broke something :p
tried to talk her into Linux... she would have gone over if not for the lack of drive space
her laptop came only with MSFT Word. I siezed the day. ;)
mom's laptop has Linux, since she got bit by blaster.
I'm trying to get her to move over
Lycoris is now sold in retail stores here
i need to evangelize to my dad. he's running Win ME O_o
Good work, TreMobyl
ack...
Where's "here", segfaule?
hoping suse is easy to use.. cause it would be nice to sell that and get clients to use that.. debian.. was confusing for most
SuSE is pretty nice after the install
s/segfaule/segfault/
this yast I look forward to
he's stuck in the "I have to run Microsoft" mentality
new zeland
i think
the install wouldn't be so bad if I had paid for it instead of downloading an iso
yeah, NZ
that and he has a couple programs like Lotus Organizer with lots of important stuff
The big problem with lycoris is they do all that customization.... I don't see the value...
from his irc info
QUESTION: So Bruce are you effectively trying to create a "UnitedLinux" like desktop base standard?
;)
Somehow, Dad's computer missed the change from Daylight Savings Time.
TreMobyl: strange
infact there is a linux distro made for Hospital use
NZheretic: I think thats the idea
i wish IBM would port the lotus office suite
Niche Linux focus
i just run ntpd on mine.
QUESTION: So Bruce are you effectively trying to create a "UnitedLinux" like desktop base standard?
when my mom got rid of ME, she decided to just get a new computer instead of upgrade
...so she gave me the "old" one
cool
NZheretic: isn't he just creating YALD? (Yet another linux distribution)
he turns it off at night, so I suspect the BIOS was being wonky, didn't change from DST, and then Linux believed it.
...it's now running Gentoo
i keep telling my dad that if he's determined to run windows, he should upgrade from ME to 98.
gentoo 8)
I like what Lindows is doing though.. they like one step before basically funding
I think I'll put ntpd on it next time I'm there
gentoo is good
Infact their is a distro just for College students
TreMobyl: CMOS battery?
rdate
what about undeadlinux.org?
I just helped a friend move to gentoo - he thinks its the best thing he has ever used
Possible (is an old machine), but I don't see why it'd make a diff.
Evil Entity Linux
Pequelin :)
tin foil linux :)
Well, I'm still working on Gentoo, got X and Kde going
gentoo's definitely not an Joe Sixpack distro
leaden linux
ProgenyLinux specialty is distro fitting for its customers
TreMobyl: no tis not
Lycoris is built on Redhat's Distribution
i'm too lazy to compile myself a la Gentoo
true, but I've never seen Kde run that fast
I tried it, but want to wait for time when I can really focus on the Gentoo install
Xandros 2.0 Rox
doesn't compiling KDE take forever?
lindows, lol :)
meldroc: yep
QUESTION: Are you effectively trying to create a "UnitedLinux" like desktop base standard?
reall... how much speed up?
Lindows is funny
Libranet rocks!!
gentoo is great...even greater if you have a few boxes, distcc and ccache :)
Lindows's objective is to steal customers from MS
segfault wow thats neat... didn't see any linux based boxes in the stores here anymore.. for a long time... i think it mostly websales here : http://www.comcol.nl/bestel/sicxlc_4.htm
One kernel, different flavor = good for the market and competition
tosin: they are
MandrakeMove distro is a live CD
just booted it here
Heh, wine fired up to run a macro virus from an Evolution email
right
a lot of KDE speedup comes from simple tricks like updating the font cache and making sure /tmp/.ICD-unix has correct permissions.
http://www.comcol.nl/bestel/sicxlc_4.htm <--- RedHat is tooo heavily overpriced... redhat will pay a penalty for that. install once, run run run
yep yep
i dont agree
using prelink also helps.
MGALUG it loads faster on the 800Mhz with Gentoo than on my 1.13Mhz with Mandrake
ClusterKnoppix
"Mandrake Linux Discovery 9.2 (MANd) EUR 39,00"
I want a MadeMeRich Linux that focus on making me rich :)
* NZheretic sighs
QUESTION: Are you effectively trying to create a "UnitedLinux" like desktop base standard?
I agree, take out the installation, and the desktop "score" is a lot more even
It is ever oh so sweet
Jzarecta: haha
I wish linuxgazette.net was mentioned. Maybe someone can talk about it next week
Bruce: I look forward to seeing it
waystar: awesome
Can we kick Sco out of it?
works for me
this Mandrake 9.2 is much faster than 9.1
Can you believe it
Lets just kick SCO
No SCO discusions today
yep, 9.2
* segfault kicks SCO
via complete reinstall
I agree, windowsrefund. Want to hear more about the Linux Gazette goings-on.
yep, complete reinstall
technically, they can't legally distribute LInux anymore since they violated the GPL.
Would at least make a change from SCO coverage...
waystar: what gentoo?
I havent tried 9.2 but every update I make on my 9.1 is 9.2 RPM
lets plan a mass attack or swarming lol
Just Say No
Thank you, everybody, for supporting The Linux Show.
Just Say No
1.4
??
Just Say No to SCO
i think better install means more users for linux
Have a show if SCO's case is dismissed
gentoo 1.4
what????
Have a show on friday
cool
Will you be here next week?
had fun!!!
Please stick around the IRC channel and enjoy the chat.
* windowsrefund needs his weekly dose!
Can anyone summarize Bruce's point in a sentence?
MGALUG oh yes defenitely... mandrake 9.2 is way faster as 9.1 and even better , it has OpenOffice 1.1 onboard.
got it on a mag from Barnes&Noble
I think we peaked at 70 people in IRC tonight.
yea...
gentoo has a version number?
Suggestion" Have a show on friday, if SCO case is dismissed
a special show
MandrakeMove does too
would be nice.
Ahhhh - finished.
Good show guys !
all geeks arounf the world are programed metaly to stop what they are doing at site of theis fellow and kill him.. temp insanity
I got mine on mag, too. (Subscription)
yea...goood show
Trelane : did you finally get ALSA working?
thanks LS :)
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NZ: heh
awesome show
which one?
great show
Sorta
good show tonight, informative
Thx for the show. Great as usual.
great show - goodnight
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<-- mark (~mdrago@198-193.resnet.stonybrook.edu) has left #linuxshow (Client exiting) Great show!
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* viking667 wonders if he really understood all of that.
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<-- zx81 has quit (Quit: BitchX: so real, you'll wet yourself!) the friday SCO roasting may not happen if SCO gets the delays they asked for.
MGALUG: LXF
It worked for a few seconds then locked up hard
great show BTW
good show. Gud nite
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<-- fedoraguy (~nbecker@nbecker.fred.net) has left #linuxshow <-- rmelnx has quit (Quit: xchat exiting..) <-- peragrin has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4) <-- Frank has quit (Quit: Leaving) <-- Glenn (~Glenn@dhcp-0-20-78-c9-ab-fd.cpe.mountaincable.net) has left #linuxshow Have a nice week everybody. See y'all next time.
You guys ROCK
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Good show Thank you
Whart: right!
great show JeffGerhardt Arne Doc Russ Brice Eric :)
new song?
mine came on Linux Format
meldroc: true
I tried a patch someone from SuSE sent to me, and then I tried it again.
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<-- pben has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4) It worked again, then locked up hard.
thanks to the tls crew/hosts/ircmonkeys
bruce even
lol, look at them all leaving
bye.
<-- Bob has quit (Quit: Client exiting) see y'all - zoombuggy didn't want me online, but hey - I loved the second half of the show.
MGALUG LXF=LinuxFormat
well, back to trying to get the ATI GLX stuff working
funeral music
hey, this sounds like the other song played backwards
SuSE 9 rocks
<-- McGurk has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.47 [Mozilla rv:1.6b/1]) <-- Arne has quit (Quit: [BX] Gary Coleman uses BitchX. Whatchoo talkin bout foo?) On the reboot, it promptly replaced about 140+ files with files consisting entirely of '\0'
MGALUG: ahaha
running them off
is Darl Music
lol
wow
TreMobyl: ewps....
yea... Darl music...
Little files like /sbin/route and /usr/bin/apt-get
different music
now better
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so yeah, tomorrow I get to reconstitute my box
whose's in charge of the tunes on TLS?
<-- PhantomsDad has quit (Quit: KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex") how easy is Gentoo to update
<-- mcleodnine (~dmcleod@24.87.68.250) has left #linuxshow ("Hey look at them all leaving!") TreMobyl: time for a reinstall?
I liked "The Experiments" :)
viking: hardly
their not playin my tune anymore
make it stop
I truly write music about Darl McBride if you all will support it by sharing it
MGALUG: very easy
MGALUG: emerge -u world
if anyone wants it, grab from http://windowsrefund.net/cold.mp3
\bittorent the file I'll share it..
I like urpmi on Mandrake
and apt on Debian
oh lol shut up thats funny
segfault and converter: does it work for kernel, too?
we could have The Free Software Song!!
won't be too hard to get most of the files I need immediately, then I need to find a way to get apt to re-install the remainder.
Jzarecta Suse is nice so mfar for me, but no easy ATI driveer install darn it. I hate ATI drivers. Wish I have nVidia on the ol' ThinkPad
waystar: yep
Ah well, good luck - I had a minor meltdown involving a goodly portion of /etc before I realised what was going on, and killed the job from removing all other files.
wish nvidia open sourced their drivers
Silly me knows not to trust where mc actually exits any more.
yea
we could play RMS singing the Free Software Song :)
we could use that
that too
ATI doesn't really work well on any distro, Scotter.
I whipped up a script to find the destroyed files; I'll be able to snag most of 'em off of one of my boxen
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I've got three systems with NVidia cards... have to do the init 3
See y'all
well I am outta here gotta go back to work.. s2angel.com get a geforce they have open source drivers.. silly
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* windowsrefund sings along
I wanna play games on the thinkpad. waaah
or 1 and do the sh
are there any modern video cards out there with drivers that are both open-source and decent?
waystar: portage will update your kernel sources, but it's up to you to build the kernel/modules, etc. and install. there's a genkernel thingie, but i don't trust it yet.
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meldroc: there are Free ATI RAdeon drivers
meldroc I think that even the existance of ATI in its market, has lots to do with its contract with a redmond software company.
Mo
"you'll be free, hackers you'll be freeeeeee....."
that's my tune!
No
:)
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well, it was my tune
heh
really your's wind:
segfault: I rather like the metal adaptation of that
night folks
night scotter
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later scotter
I gotta go, see you all next week!
the ATI radeon drivers decent? I hear they don't support all the 3d accel of the cards
windowsrefund: is the mp3 I'm downloading your work
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<-- sjohnson has quit (Quit: Client exiting) <-- waystar has quit (Quit: Leaving) Is the show on no? Am I missing it?
yep
can we take up a collection so we can have some Sinatra tunes every now and then? :)
StratuS just finished
Stratus... the loop is on
How do I get the stream?
Just finished StratuS.
Ieeeeee!!!!
StratuS: lol, its just finished :)
StratuS come back here next week, 2 hourse earlier :)
well, catch ya later.
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StratuS: must have been sleeping?
Hope you all enjoyed the show
Ahh well, Illl do that segfault. :)
thanks Jeff
we did
please support the linux show
by registering a domain
Yes Jeff
Always do, Jeff.
JeffGerhardt hey you are King(tm) :)
by making a donation
lol
Later all..... :)
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I've told all my friends about the domain names
by telling your friends
yea
tell them again
hehe
ok
heh
I always do
send it to your lug
I even tell the IT department at Barry University to listen in.
where exactly is TLS recorded?
got it on my Business card (back side)
JeffGerhardt talk to Claus Knopper : get you website bookmarked inside his knoppix.iso :)
They are MS dudes
JeffGerhardt: what was the story with the TLS video shows?
yea...good idea stock
tosin: hehe :)
link on the desktop?
a TLS mozilla theme ;-)
ugh
MGALUG well i dunno, how far it goes :)
TLS is recorded live from North Aurora Illinois
I don't see how Microsoft manages to accrue fanboys
and broadcast from our NOC in Chicago
Where is N. Aurora?
TreMobyl: yeah, its sad
* TreMobyl goes to MapQuest
TreMobyl: north of aurora
seggie: ha ha ha
directly North of Aurora
they feed them sandwiches ... like in July
:P
Jeff, possible to hear more about the Linux Gazette goings-on in a future show?
remember Jeff?
right across the expressway
street?
JeffGerhardt but again, calling the masses is neat, but can erudate the quality :)
Jeff: what do you use to channel the calls for broadcast
joe is that you?
just listened to the July show on way home
zip?
lol
icecast
MS supplied the sandwiches in bags... that's how they keep getting suckers to ponyup
whart> that is a sticky issue
http://www.linuxgoldcorp.com/
lots of hurt feelings
I know it's sticky but I think it's important.
Jeff: what's your website address
lots of brused egos
thelinuxshow.com
lol
i meant one similar to ESR
On both sides as far as I can tell. So far I haven't seen or heard anything that seems to rationally cover both sides of the issue.
Phil hughes has made a seroies of very logical arguments for the actionsof SSC