01.06.2004 irc

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mm - Nope, not yet
NZheretic: how doies the price of the cray compare to the price of the g5 big mac?
didn't think so :(
mm, me, too. :(
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welcome guys!
gerrynjr : I dno't know - but you don't get fries with that.
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NZheretic: the big mac was 5.2 million according to the keynote today
oh boy another cray stock I can invest in and watch drop to zero.......
will I ever learn
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NZheretic: w/ 1100 dual g5 nodes
jeff=sucker for big iron
JeffGerhardt: invest in apple
gerrynjr : How do I set cache level in mplayer?
gerrynjr : http://www.cray.com/invest/
Borkur: no clue.. I use 32k w/ my Z
Gee. M$ claims that a WinTel server is 10 times less expensive to operate than a Linux Mainframe...
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hey beastman, how ya doing?
I might add that a Sharp Zaurus is much, much less expensive that the WinTel server
Bork : -cache
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/default.asp
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well, hell, i believe everything ms says
my Z can host web pages cheaper than a wintel server
it can host an ftp server cheaper
Mine, too
or a amil server
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How do I get on the radio, like 88.1FM?
nice to meet a fellow Z user :-D
gerrynjr : Accoring to the slides on the investment conf - Cray has the edge with the interconnection bandwidth.
ShawnRisk: some stations have caller lines you can call in on
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t minus 5
Zs rock. My Timex Sinclair can serve web pages cheaper tooo
NZheretic: the big mac used infiniband
its webley time
http://www.wallstreetwebcasting.com/webcast/needham7/cray/3__Slide16.JPG
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Hi all!
Oh, sorry, different kind of Z
JeffGerhardt -- same conf number?
Opps
wftl: I lvoe the Z, a nice portable workstation
anre NO check your email
http://www.wallstreetwebcasting.com/webcast/needham7/cray/3__Slide17.JPG
i had a 240Z
JeffGerhardt -- thx...
warthawg: I know but how does that get me a station on the radio?
wftl: are you a guest on the show tonight?
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Greetings to all this evening
Glenn: greetings
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gerrynjr: No, just hanging out. Making a nuisance of myself on IRC
Listening to the show
wftl: ah.. always fun
Glenn: greetings
"Data exchange close to peak speed of opteron.
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NZheretic: holy!
ah! lag!
must be b/c of people hitting it
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warthawg, you a guest tonight?
chrisb: hey
hello
hey MGALUG !
gerrynjr: lo dude
Bill_E: a little bit
want to join me in shooting darl w/ an oozie?
what app do you use to listen to the show?
he's not worth the lead
Does an oozie shoot jell-o?
gerrynjr : A reaonably priced Strider could put Cray into the application sever market with a bang.
Borkur: xmms
xmms
NZheretic: in any case linux on a cray _is_ sweet
xmms, xine, realplayer
noatun on my desktop
XMMS on MP3
Borkur: mplayer on the Z
mpg123
I have xmms running an mp3 stream right now.
ogg
mplayer
gerrynjr : However Cay != reaonably priced
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gerrynjr : However Cray != reaonably priced
NZheretic: true...
but cray == high speed shit
noatun
hopefully high enough to get on the fastest supercomputing charts
noatun is jumpy on my laptop
probably just arts
yea
arts is the antichrist
Is it #linuxshow or #linuxlive?
linuxshow
what is linuxlie?
what is linuxlive?
web site says linuxlive
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gerrynjr: nah... that's Gates
well when you connect it says "All action is in #linuxshow"
or Darl
typ
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hey everyone.
MGALUG: they are one entity
Linuxlive is an archive of last weeks show
lol
VOICE!
linuxitch: lo
chatzilla people are filling up linuxlive
they are of the same borg collective
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We're back
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yea
he Kev
Here it comes!
ok
Choice: I'm running ChatZIlla, and I seem to be here.
W'ere back!
Welcome, everybody, to The Linux Show Live and in glorious color.
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is anyone signed up to call in tonight? I tried to write in to voice my opinion twice... and got show down ... twice.
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will the linux show be live at LWE?
welcome back TLS
I'm glad the sound is getting better!
Well, my CZ interface certainly uses color in IRC.
gerrynjr -- yup!
Arne: yea... got Orion wallpaper shining through Xchat... that's color for you
Arne: nice!
oh yah, sound is getting better
Arne: be sure to chat w/ the IT people from roger williams university!
Volume 7 - louder this year!
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i'll be going to LWE boston.. not this year, sadly
SCO
on topic?
what's the topic?
that's no fun
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when's LWE boston?
mm: next year, same time as LWE NY
mwg: if you follow the link on the website with Moz you go to #linuxlive
thanks
Linuxtoday rules!!!
:)
ripping albums right now on my alternate system... U2 Joshua Tree adds nice subtexture to TLS feed
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Choice: Oh, I use a bookmarked link.
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phonographs that is
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sound is kick ass today!
Kernel 2.6
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yeah, sounds awesome!
my birthday of course
2.6.1 soon too
'llo folks
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http://www.peercast.org/
Make sure we cover the 'Get Linux' article from Register.uk
'lo Scotter.
sound is really good ... very very little background noise
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first time listener
P2P Broadcasting.
welcome psycholnx
thanks'
is the show on yet?
JeffGerhardt: what about a p2p based bradcasting solution?
im listening
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only 55 tonight. dang
psycholnx: congrats... you are at the top spot for Linux info
We are live -- NOW. ShawnRisk
yup
I wonder if BitTorrent could be adapted to streams?
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that's going to be cool
ha, that was mentioned last week
ShawnRisk: if you connected late...you're buffering the show
BTW - could you "bold" IRC info on the website? Thnx
mwg: might be a good solution for sharing bandwidth. some timing issues though i imagine.
how long is the show?
BEEP
mdshaw89, email them about that
K
COOL!
60-90min sometimes
k
Choice: 4 degrees on my porch, very cool. :-)
nice
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clear sky?
someone beeped in the show
2004 IS the year of the Linux desktop!
thats cool
1/2 inch thick ice on everything!
inluding cars
Burlington Coat Factory sill using Linux after 5 years
wftl: I sure hope so, i'd win a bet w/ an old friend of mine :-D
can't get in my car
namaseit, are you in chicago
MGALUG: Clear as a bell, moonlight coming in the window.
--- Received a CTCP VERSION null from Pudly
It's on my desk top NOW, and since 1999!!
I said 2005 is the year desktop linux is mainstream....
Springfield, Or
sweet
2004 : The year of the search for Linux Sweet spots
wow..
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mars is bright
below zero here in chicago
wftl: it's a 100 dollar bet :-D
I am using Coolplayer and can't get anything
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it's 70 here in tampa
gerrynjr: good luck
Novel buying Ximian and SUSE
ShawnRisk, xmms works
whoa
sebb: 43:57 on 05-13-03
true. we need OEMs to gain ubiquity.
just lost it
yea...whoa
me too
gone
lost it too
no sound
just loast it as well!
it's dead!
just lost the show
me too
ack
the oems will fall as soon as I get Toshiba. I'll be taking em back to court very soon :)
lost stream
in Windows :)
oops
Top story of the year. 2003, the year PhantomsDad escaped from Windows to Linux. :-)
SOund gone in SE Michigan.
lost stream
its an ex-stream
I spoke too soon
lost it
I lost stream
im using linuxqestions.org stream
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PhantomsDad yea!
any other streams still working?
Lost sound in Linux too!
Hey windowsrefund: Read your article, I think.
sound?
lsot stream here to
My stream has also ceased to be.
JeffGerhardt: it's dead!
Lost connection to source on mount stream.thelinuxshow.com:8000/linuxlive, waiting 30 seconds for timeout
Fine not found on re-load.
back!
woohoo!
windowsrefund: My E-machines laptop did not come shrink wrapped in anything.
my stream is gone
Arne: is it on that end?
i cut out.. did anyone else?
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I was streaming out of ibiblio in NC.
it is dead for me too
now I have muzak
Pining for the fjiords
music
ouch, my ears!
my ears!
Its gone!
which one works?
cant connect to chicago
dead here too
ibiblio stream lost
my ears!
horid music now
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did the feed die?
* windowsrefund is prebuffering from LQ
i'm goign deaf!
hey that's good music
I lost streaming since installing 2,6,0-test11
looks like the main stream server is down
i don' get anything -- which stream is working??
chicago #1 ogg feed dead
We're looking into it. Show still goes on at this end.
Arne: :-(
I got my 2.6.0 working earlier today
stream back!!!!
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back!
All attempts on all feeds dead so far.
I got dropped by the linuxquestions feed and now the linuxinstallcds... back!
linuxquestions.org stream works
Got back from Chicago.
all the REALs are dead tooo
ibiblio.org dead
PaulH cool
there it goes
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ok I'm back
Eric just joined the show
wooooh
trying texas
good at linux installcds now
.real work's for me
I will listen to the achive later
changed to the Texas server
back!
linuxquestions.org is working
linuxinstallcds is good
w00t
Ogg stream has started up.
No - I'm doing REAL from Chicago.
good from LQ
got texas
HA
it's back
heh
ibiblio is back!
Doc voice mail.
yes
dang real
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I still have music from ibiblio
Ibiblio real works
switch to the texas server paulh
GOD I hope RH is bought up by Oricle
I re-connected to chicago #2
yah ibiblio real is working
linuxquestions.org is back
ibiblio is just music
and their partnership with IBM
back in texas
Choice: why in the world?
DougDante: are you a member of WindowsRefund.net? Someone was talking to me about emachines recently
oracle
I don't know if my real works I'll have to check
Novell vs M$
what story is currently discussed
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sh*t -- out again... no ... it's back
The ogg feed from stream.thelinuxshow.com is working.
Real is working from NC
real seems jumpy
:\
what's going on with yesterday's announcement from Redhat? Are they buying someone?
LQ.org is good
its real good here namaseit
someones buying them, supposedly
thank God it wasn't Red Hat
Microsoft trying to "Get the facts"
maybe I'll try helix ;)
that's it
msft is buying redhat
warthawg: someone was tlaking about that last week oracle would buy Red Hat!!!
Helix worked yesterday for me and Nasa feeds
maybe IBM buy Novell?
Who is breathing into thier phone?
Jeff
peercast://pls/D593234A8C802936D16CE6BC01EE03FB?ip=203.118.135.216:7144
yikes out... back
I am out of here by everyone
http://www.peercast.org/
NZheretic: what is peercast?
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MGALUG, yah don't you just love those *facts* from MS
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yea... liked even better the Register's article
my workplace loves Novell
Nasa Loves Linus
Linux
maybe they love him too
heh.
MGALUG they love both
novell has a nice lineup with Suse, Ximian and integraded Netware services. This year will be interesting
Got screen shots of Nasa screens running Linux
MGALUG: are you big on space stuff?
nice
like Mars
rover mission
awesome
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well plus Novell already has their foot in the door of alot of businesses
think Rovers running Linux
MGALUG: Wouldn't Tove be a bit upset about that? :-)
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very true
and alot of long partnerships
that M$ 'Linux facts' site is such a load of ASP horse sh*t. I can't believe they have the garbonzos to call anything they put out with respect to linux 'fact'
what about 2.6????
MGALUG: What makes you think that?
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=NELSON.94May17152652@crynwr.crynwr.com
who's buying Red Hat?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Novell And Linux
not me
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I like Fedora
what would you send to Mars on a 850Million$ project?
MS?
no
Windows CE
not here.. Fedora is damn stable.. Better than RH in my opinion
:)
BSD
ye
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* waystar wonders how the BSOD looks on Mars...
Man, are the ogg feeds ever going to work right again? I had to drop and get an mp3 again because of looping on ogg.
Obviously the biggest story of the year was the passing of John Ritter
And verily did the Expose project become Caldera Systems and Novell forthwith sold the rights to relicense Unixware to The Santa Cruz Operation
"Were not going through space, oh shit oh shit, BSOD!!!"
s/not/now
Sorry RH has soured me totatlly - I'm dumping it here at work as soon as I can.
mmmmmm slackware
RH has raised my ire as well.
slack rox as well
Meanwhile, at a similar pet shop...
http://today.java.net/pub/n/MarsRoverSims
PCLinuxOS4 is pretty good. ;)
nightmares of the 'flying through space' screen saver goes through nasa's head
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haha
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yet
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linuxitch LinuxRiC
and sharp, pointy, teeth!
linuxitch: flying rocks goes through mine
windowsrefund - fred berry and art carney too. it was a sad year for comedy
nasty sharp pointy teeth.
yea but look at the volume of SCOX
yah don't put windows on that space probe, if aliens find it they will think there is no intelligent life here
WTF
LOL Finally got realplayer to work :)
namaseit - good point
me too
war on terror is a joke!
Regal Cinema using Linux at concession stand
just switched mirrors. Do we need one for the Caribbean? :P
mandrake 9.2 w/ 2.6.0test11
my helix wouldn't come up
Praise be the GNU General Public License!
is this Bruce Perens talking now??
Bill_E, really? sweet!
it sounds like him
cool
Lowes runs linux
gerrynr: Do we ever get the punch line?
hey helen went to iraq
That Eric Raymond
Home Depot runs windows
geezzzz
ESR
how far along is HURD? Isn't that GNU's version of linux/unix flavor
ehehe.... I need a job too
Hurd just had a new release
burlington coat factory
let's all make a field trip to iraq
lol
Who are the guys who talk at the show?
Tikrix
HURD is a microkernel like windows
sebb, should say on the site
I'm not sure that the capture of Sadam is as important as the War preceeding it. :)
Sorry guys unless you have a Security Clearance you are not going to Iraq! I tried.
eek. Not Like Windows.
Choice, windows is microkernel?
Windoze is a u-kernel????
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what?
Choice -- Windows, a micro-kernel with a HUGE gui...
Saddam is captured : WE"RE ALL SAFE NOW!
heh
Since when did Sadam sponser tradition terrorism?
windows is a *pico*kernel.
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ha! :)
O Sama Bin Laden
I thought HURD was just the kernel, like Linux is. How far along is it though -- can it run gnome and friends?
windows has a kernel? I thought it was just a hampster running in a wheel!
knowprose: More like a popcorn kernel. :-)
NZheretic : Even Bin Laden opposed Sadam.
HURD is a kernel. But it
hurd is micro-kernel
mwg: Popcorn kernels are useful.
...it's not that avanced
That was huge!! I loved that news tidbit
* waystar pictures windows droppings on newspaper
http://linurati.net/shirts.html <-- The shirt I will be wearing to the Linux World Expo....
They should have named it "Window-Pains"
knowprose: Good point. Shame on me. :-)
You mean like not finding those "weapons of mass distruction"?
waystar: lol
waystar, its called the registry
heh!
registry was actually a good idea, they just abused it.
The shirt is not for sale -- one of a kind.
to bad it didn't happen
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/34734.html
What it says is "Time to pull out the patents!"
Microsoft ad push cranks up the 'get Linux' volume
http://news.google.com/news?scoring=d&num=100&q=Microsoft
Windows: Just another pane in the glass...
http://linuxitch.com <-- the hat I'll be wearing to LinuxWorld
Vs
http://news.google.com/news?scoring=d&num=100&q=Linux
people are getting tired of paying multiple times for what Windows 95 should have been
Hemm-O-Raj?
Next hit is going to be profit since they will expense stock options from this year
all the Windows "fact" ad campaign is gonna do is make people go, "Linux? I'll have to get that and try it out!"
Nice hat. Check out the shirt -- a modified M$ shirt...
MS combating spam
Anyone know where I can see the "Get the Facts." ads from Microsoft?
Has anyone here had the pleasure of seeing Revolution OS.. If you havent.. Get it.
sure.
Cool hat
i just don't know why you guys don't trust bill gates
psycholnx: i've got a copy :-D
http://www.a42.com/node/view/54
psycholnx, I got it FREE from HP promo
ive seen it, i just dont have it
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warthawg, you don't read the news much do you?
A rule in advertising is NEVER mention the competition
Takes a long long time to lose $50 billion in cash
i want it
where can i get it?
Ha ha -- you don't need a punch line for that one, warthawg.....
where can I download it... Revolution OS
Linurati - i liked your shirt... very original
MS Office for Linux
maybe gnutella net
I don't exactly appreciate a large *windows* virus/worm sucking all the bandwidth *I* pay for.
wftl The stock proce goes a whole lot faster than the $50B
Thanks. My wife works for an airbrush shop.
Revolution OS thinkgeek.com
cool
or VBasic for Linux
download it..
What about microsoft claims of IP covering FAT? That's going to hurt.
i shal
Revolution OS : They only way to have it in Canada is to buy it in USA
MS-Linux: the Ueability (cough) of WIndows, the stability of...?
http://www.revolution-os.com/
jose, no, thats just wrong
:)
yep. pride won't allow it.
question, Do you REALLY want M$ making a linux distro?
SUSE's packaging of Crossover and Transgaming for a lower price
anyone here been contacted by Microsoft about what should go into their next operating system?
NO
Not saying that MS canI've seen small
Oops
jose: http://vb2py.sourceforge.net/
I think that MS, if pushed enough, will have NO choice but to release either a linux flavor with their brandishing on it, or a version of office for Linux.
I watched the movie Antitrust month or 2 ago on TBS... that's Mr. Gaaaates to a T
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python !!!
<[Wildman]> MS must know Linux. They distribute their office suite on Mac X
jose there was a kde basic project in the works a year or so ago, don't know the current status...
Sure MS can make Linux. They can call it Lindows. Oh wait...
no office for linux...
there ya go jeff
Not saying that MS can't lose (they will) but I've seen small companies take years to die
i'll keep oo.o thankyou ;-D
call it windows but it can be Linux
Even after it was a done deal
Windows Media Player is available for Linux.
They willl
Embedded apps.
MGALUG -- ever see "Pirates of Silicon Valley"? Pretty good.
where's the money
DougDante: it is?
Office is already ported to OS X
<[Wildman]> SuSE's package is Winerack
Money talks. bottom line
Codeweavers has the Office thing going.
Thats why MS is mad at Lindows, they wanted to use that name!!!
Gates is obstinant and arrogant
They would rather make MS-BSD
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DougDante: WIth mplayer who needs WMP?
why don't they?
namaseit: interesting observation
"Windows Media Makes Its Way to Linux" http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110175,00.asp
BSD license let's them
but they'd still call in windows
it, not in
MS could buy Lindows
mwg: I play thenm with mplayer
mwg: which plugin for Mozilla do you use
for mplayer
No they will offer a BSD to Corporations
I want NetZero for linux, I can't go on the internet without
Not sure MPlayer is legal in USA, and 300Millino-ish people live there.
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they won't be able to sustain a business model with any of their products ported to linux. Especially once the open source equivalents get up to speed.
mplayer mmmmmm
I use OO.o on Windows at work.
DougDante: Is this recent, as I have a (3+years) old WMP for linux, it never worked well.
I use mplayer in the US, and nobody has ever knocked on my door.
Gates is smart. He built a castle in the sky, and he's worried about the Barbarians at the Gate... GNU/Linux tears at the foundation.
... I had to switch to mozplugger ..rpm -e mplayerplugin ... and it kills quicktime integration
bbiab
it's a dead end - selling software that is bloated and overpriced does not work - especially on linux.
MGALUG: Mozilla Plug-in for which function?
kmplayer, can be embedded into apps like konqueror
City of Austin looking at Linux - was /.
mplayer
Bill_E: i heard about that
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mwg: It's under development, and probably available for OEMs now (e.g. set top boxes), but we consumers won't be able to download it. see the link.
it won't dive. erode, perhaps, but not dive.
Microsoft has a hand in everything
mplayerplugin does quicktime in the browser window as embedded in the page...
City of Corvallis launching pilot to roll out Linux on the desktop.
MGALUG: I don't, when I need to play a WM? file I paste to a terminal window as parameters for mplayer.
not just computers
they aren't the only ones
<[Wildman]> What about the direction that UserLinux is taking. Any thoughts?
true
that works
Gates lost with the Phone Orange deal.
I don't like to talk about UL
what's happening with United Linux?
it's just a big political pile of crap
<[Wildman]> Yeah where is UL 2.0 heading?
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not crap
but, well, it's a discussion topic
Antitrust.
United Who?
<[Wildman]> United Linux
United Linux is essentially dead
yeah.
thx SCO
exactly.
yea...Antitrust is another good movie to watch
<[Wildman]> No doubt
Brian Proffit is on the show
Bill_E: yea
LinuxToday!!!
Antitrust is pretty good
cool!
i want a linuxtoday tatoo!
:)
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Antitrust is too "hollywood" though with the murdering crap that goes on
very good sound!
ugh. SCO.
:P
Antitrust didn't have the computer blowing up at the end!
Antitrust used a Linux for the "big evil company" OS.
2.6 rc2 is out!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like in Logans Run
SCO, SCO, SCO, SCO, SCO, SCO, lovely SCO, wonderful SCO.... :-)
* graywind switched to DVORAK three days ago :x
Once this SCO stuff is gone, Linux might not seem so interesting to people
ha
Thanks to Linuxtoday.com for letting me know about the linux show.. :)))))
It will to me.
mwg - yeah - wish people would worry about Software Patents more.
mwg -- I don't like SCO!!!!
Its funny to think how SCO's publicity blitz has actually *helped* get Linux's name out there
Borkur: VERSION xchat 2.0.5 Linux 2.6.1-rc1-mm2 [i686/1665MHz]
Does not compute Does not compute DOES NOT BOOM!!!!
People in here going to the Expo in NY in a couple of weeks?
I guess it's true, Theres no such thing as bad publicity!
ask Bush
I am
Linuxword
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Linuxworld
What about SUN selling it's Java desktop all over the place?
Well, we have HP, SCO, IBM, Tecra, Sun and SCO, that doesn't have much SCO in it...
toga: 2.6 rc2 is newer :)
*beep*
Sun's JD is bs
Fedora!!
nothing new in it
I'll be at the Linux World Expo wearing a Microsoft shirt with an airbrushed Tux pissing on the logo... http://linurati.net/shirts.html
jose -- I'll believe that when I see it.
HAA
just pacakaged by them
I DON'T LIKE SCO!!
Borkur: My bad wes thinging mm2 ;)
Redhat is actively working on Fedora.
and the Fedora doesn't include xine...have to yum install xine
<[Wildman]> Yeah but where will the small to mid size company's go for their solutions when the money is not there?
JDS is very nice. I got it 2 weeks ago. Very basic, but a nice complete simple desktop system
Arne - what about the China sale
knowprose: Software patents are a disaster in the process of happening.
I cant wait for Project Looking Glass to be available
You don't understand what Redhat is doing!
psycholnx, yah no kidding, that 3d stuff looked pretty sweet
Fedora is not run by the community. It is just the beta for future Redhat
mwg: Exactly. Meanwhile everyone has their panties in a wad over SCO. SCO will sort itself out.
look at gentoo.....!
What's the current situation with software patents in Europe? Any Europeans or people up on that in here?
yes.. im looking forward to it
psycholnx, there is something like that already for linux, uses opengl
mwg: Even IBM is known for using patents for leverage ;)
Anybody know if there is an official Linux logo?
what is it called
psycholnx, dont remember
I signed the petition -- anything else an American can do about this EU patent thing?
dang
Borkur: yea... tux
Borkur : Tux, the penguin.
What about entire distros like knoppix on a USB key - distro and data. If those keys are ever bootable, man they'd take off like a bat out of heck
Tux is basically the "official" logo.
dang.. i guess we'll have to hunt, or wait for Looking glass
Linurati: Just generally make noise.
put it in Google: tux linux
borkur: The closest thing to a Linux Logo is a penguin named Tux.
image search
Linurati: holy crap man, can I purchase one of these shirts from you?
Mandrake has a distro on a usb key too
Borkur -- isn't that tux
There are distros that boot off of a USB drive -- see DistroWatch.com
Borkur, Tux
Yeah I know about the tux but the tux is more like a mascot ... A logo is more like "the_official_logo.jpg" :)
i thought that was a distro that stored its data on a usb key - the distro was a cd
http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/
The nice thing about booting with framebuffer, the lovely Tux on my screen.
nice tee shirt designs Linurati
can you boot from a usb key?
Logo: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.luug-hn.org/pics/tux.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.luug-hn.org/gnulinux.html&amp;h=216&w=196&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtux%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
who
thanks cstevens
You betcha!
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* windowsrefund doesn't even know what framebuffer is
windowsrefund -- the shirts are one-of-a-kind. Sorry -bout that. But you can always look at the picture and enjoy. Feel free to print it out and take it to your local airbrush shop -- they can probably duplicate it.
Linurati: link>
?
flame?
Oh, please!
?
WHAT
Linurati: the shirts are gorgeous
Linurati: link?
crisp?
WTF?
What Shirts?!
gerrynjr:
HUH?
hehe
Did he say that KDE was going away or here to stay?
KDE is very nice
dammit, well I'll always use KDE
Gnome!!
Boot from USB key:http://linuxmobile.sourceforge.net/
Linurati: Going away
huh
I doubt it
cstevens: my bios cant boot usb!
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Novell owns SuSE? When did that happen?
WHAT!?!?!?
yeah.
nah... someone has to pickup the devel
I use some of the K tools, kmail and kcalc, but in general if K vanished I'd probably not notice. I use xfce.
KohlFusion, awhile ago
I actually like KDE.
No, it means that KDE will get another sponser
SUSE will probally ship with the Ximian Desktop and Evolution
Kohl -- less than a month ago.
KDE can't go anywhere -- it's way too advanced.
KohlFusion, novell bougt suse for 210 million
gerrynjr: Excuse for new mobo!
I know a lot of people still use CDE
I like Gnome, but use some KDE programs
Gnome is ok,,,. but KDE rocks
cstevens: I like ths one!
cstevens: it's very stable!
cstevens: do you know if Linus has assigned this image as the official logo?
I use Xandros, so I use KDE.
cstevens: it's my athlon XP machine
KDE looks more line wintendo
!
KDE is superior technology
yeay! more than two, woo-hoo!
KDE's great
speed concerns to Eric
I use gnome because it's prettier - at least i think - but KDE kicks ass too
OOOHHH Shit. KDE.
there will never be a single linux desktop
KDE is way more stable.
Athlon XP 2600+ here.
Um. last time I checked KDE doesn't require corporate backing to survive.
XFCE4 is big enough for me! :)
Bill_E: Yeah, well...
* windowsrefund uses screen
several desktops help the user optimize
not KDE
linux is all about choice
xfce4 is sweet too
I like xfce, but using icewm right now
mm amen
Just like linux.
mmmm KDE 3.2
OT: My favorite Christmas present: 19" Sony LCD flat-panel. :o)
so fast
Nope
namaseit: but xfce4 takes too much work to install
Gnome.....love the Gnome
gerrynjr: Yes. He asked the person to draw it for him.
KDE 3.2 beta 2 here...
I downloaded xfce4, but I haven't had time to decode the anything-but-usual compile instructions.
the RH Bluecurve
They are wrong.
I'm using droplne atm, but I really liked XFCE
IMHO Gnome is very feature-less compared to KDE
windowsrefund, comes on slackware
Yay for PJ!
Ok, UserLinux should be both KDE and Gnome
KDE 3.2 : http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5577
namaseit: I didn't know that
gnome gets the job done though
sebb, will never happen
gerrynjr: Linus said, "Think of a nice, fat, Penguin that's just gorged itself on fish!"
GrokLaw swings or swang ;)
yea... but not as smoothly as KDE
tiny?!?!?!
gnome is so ugly I wont use it
kudos to mandrake for giving us all of the desktop options,
cheers to groklaw
cstevens: ?!?!?!?!
have too many seg faults in Gnome
KDE here!!!
yes?
Mandrake for me.
Sorry but QT/KDE is my medicine
Mandrake + KDE
Why don't they say what Pamela thinks of esr?
wxWindows for me. :P
QT framework is godlike
Slack/KDE
gnome crashes a lot when I play with the toolbars and panels. bugs me
yea.
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if they can integrate lots of KDE functions then maybe
DCOP is almost the coolest thing
I just install SuSE 9.0 and can't decide between KDE and gnome
wxWindows rocks. I don't like QT.
gerrynjr: Here's something to boot from that's almost as cute as USB...
Agree!!!
I'd vote for Groklaw as the most imprtant site, yes.
The only problem - repeat - the only problem with KDE is trolltek lock on propritary QT development.
<[Wildman]> I use KDE with SuSE 9.0
yea
Cheers to Xandros for making Linux easy to use without having to be completely lost at first if you're coming from Windows. I've converted a couple of people that way. Once they're on Linux, any Linux, they can more easily move to any other.
gerrynjr: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
<[Wildman]> I like the speed and ability to find things
NZheretic: that could bring about it's demise
Groklaw really did do a great job this year. Wish she would tackle Patents....
Wildman... yea
Best thing about Groklaw is no BS!
err... last yeat (temporal lapse)
Well if all we have is Gnome in the future. Then I don't like the future.
groklaw rocks!
knowprose : thats coming up.
Groklaw ROCKS!
LOL
groklaw is awesome
Groklaw totally stepped up!
When has she sovered open-source, it's about SCO and the GPL?
yeah, PJ rules!
that
Give her time... SCO got her started, many people are probably afraid of what happens when the SCO ends.
s why I don't like WIndows
NZHeretic: Glad to hear.
no Choice
with that OS
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without spending money for a Skinning program
groklaw is cool, go PJ!
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mwg: Software patents are horrendous... SCO is... a thorn.
Well if it wasn't for KDE there would be no GNOME
Tech TV needs a new program...."As the SCO Tumbles"
Focused on GATHERING EVIDENCE - not arguing.
KDE and Trolltech
There was a time when Gnome was tops
Bill_E LOL
Personally, I wouldn't fight to the death over whether any given distro drops gnome or KDE -- as long as I can do everything I want to do.
then KDE busted it
Linurati:
Linurati: Hallelujah
yea
yeah the osi paper was good
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hey all
Well some of the stuff they are doing now is pretty cool, Im on the mailing list and there are some sweet ideas going through there
sounds like I miss a bit of a great show
knowprose: She has started this, I see no problem with finishing before picking a new target. WOuld be nice if tshe could start on patents now, though.
JZA: Not too much ;)
Tech TV needs to bring on a Linux based program, I like Martin Sargent for about 2 minutes that would be a good spot to put it in ;)
mwg: Well, that's international too... perhaps a European Groklaw correspondent?
JZA -- it was stated on the show that now that Novell owns SuSE (along with Ximian), KDE is going to go extinct.
I agree with you PaulH
I don't get tech tv - basic cable sucks
yeah those are very big stories..
KDE will go to MacOS :)
Meanwhile, http://fsc.cc is trying to get 'intellectual property' into the Act... or rather, out of it.
JZA, not likely
no!
SCO out of business
dont buy mandrake!
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ack
http://www.opensource.org/halloween/halloween9.html + http://sco.iwethey.org/ + http://www.groklaw.net/
who would buy mandrake??
rh
noooooo! not mandrake!
Me.
redhat?
crap, redhat's trying crap up all the rest of the distros
oh redhat.
Mandrake is great
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possibly me
I've seen TechTV while visiting friends, just another insulting logo channel. :-(
Red Hat is evil
no, rh rocks
no - redhat won't buy mandrake - they're too much on the server end. not desktops
Why not buy Mandrake? I never have, but it was my first distro, so I have a fondness.
Mandrake's great. Szulik told UK gov to use Windows.
email tech TV to pick up The Linux Show
MS buy Mandrake
I have tried Mandrake, it is a good starter distro for someone getting there first computer
I don't run mandrake on my pc but I support them with a membership
Steve Oualline's Small Claims Windows Refund victory in California was pretty decent news
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they are cutting edge
mwg: I kinda like TechTV, leo is pretty good about Linux
and want to be free
Mandrake has a cluster product and they are pushing their server distro
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5577
we are going video in 2-3 weeks
w00t
RH has no reason to buy Mandrake -- it's a RH derivative.
sweat
redhat should buy mysql.
but they do need a dedicated Linux show
sweet
sweet
Mandrake works better automatically configuring my computer
YES! - That's going to be awesome
certainly will sweat too
No it was a RH derivative
data rules the marketplace.
JZA: I have no tolerance for logos, look at the lower right of the screen. While that is present, content is irrelevant.
No, nobody should buy mySQL.
JeffGerhardt: video?
like "The Linux Show!!"
heh
mysql stands pretty well on its own
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JeffGerhardt: nice!
Redhat could be bought themselves
JeffGerhardt will the new Real player be involved?
Unisys!
helix?
this thinkpad is running Mandrake, and been up 140 days since the august blackout
My SQL
PaulH: but would go well with a linux clustering tool like redhat or vice versa.
EDS?
JeffGerhardt: don't use real, please!
read something today along the lines that Rh may be looking to be bought
PaulH: oracle?
PaulH: Yeah, raising funds right?
CA
darwin?
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streaming server?
hey
quicktime
wow 80 ppl
holy shit - think about that. redhat and mysql together. wow - talk about a MS toppler
MySQL 5 barfs trying to set up initial settings...
are they small enough?
Red Hat's distro is poor for many reasons. I won't use it or any RPM-based distro any more. But you have to give them credit -- they've brought a LOT of credibility to Linux in the corporate world.
Hell they could get bought by apple. Who knows.
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:)
yeah the are trying to raise funds to the tune of 400 mil to pay off a debt that is due in 2024
what about them using Postgres and then buy Mysql?
80 users
YEOW -- it's a little loud!
Isn't the RedHat database PostgreSQL based?
Achoo!
Bronchitis here
good advice
yes it is
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on the virge of Pneu.
get better, MGALUG
Scotter: I think so. Been a long time since I played with a RH distro
will
PaulH: where'd you hear that? i've read their financial statements and not seen any notes due in 2024.
Novell hasn't proven anything yet
on Antibiotics, etc
I think KDE will bring something indespensible to the table this year that will help it out
they're just the new kid on the block when it comes to Linux
Had it twice before, not fun :/ Hope ya both get better
what about Microsoft bashing and talk about monkeyboy's IPod dance
Prediction for 2004 : The Fedora + Debian *community* will hammer out a common repository and comon LSB type platform standard.
This is my first time in this IRC and first time listening to the show live. I just heard of the show a few weeks ago and downloaded some of the recent shows.
I gave up on RH ater 9.0, I am a very happy Slackware junkiy now, everything just works!!!
RedHat looking for funds: http://www.localtechwire.com/article.cfm?u=6573
That would be TeX!
Redhat should buy Apple
What text processor was he just talking about?
LaTeX!
I have old hardware that RH 9 will not even install on
vi
PaulH, I gave up on 8.0
Linurati: listen in the car using my ARchos
LaTeX - ha!
I echo LaTeX
why is this guy advocating closed source apps for Linux????????????????
got so slow I had to kill it
and I am talking about a 233MHz Pentium
then we could have Redhat itunes
and noone called him on that???????
to the archived shows... nice
PaulH: Get Slack!
that was a good story this year.. the monkeydance
there needs to be something like Encarta for Linux
I used to have the 20gig Archos. Nice device.
windowsrefund: Who did? I missed it!
he made one that point, point of contact in case of problems
last week I told an interviewer that Apple should buy redhat
the guy from Linux and main
just now
just replaced my LCD screen ... did it here
Encarta for Linux, I like that!
Bill_E: Wickapedia
yes even apple buying Redhat would be good too
knowprose: debt as in bonds?
I avocate all sorts of source apps for Linux
he was advocating his wp, not closed source
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Encarta fo Linux would be great!
he basically just said that he'd like to see more closed source applications ported to Linux
www.infoplease.com is a start but requires the net
OO draw has been a good pagemaker substitue for me
and noone called him on it
JeffGerhardt : More likely Apple purchase Xandros
waystar: they talk about the UI
are there any projects to get a mac os x like desktop on linux
excuse me ? who is currently talking about KDE development?
yea... cause KDE is very nice
Pr0m: no idea... I'm just a lowly hacker.
if KDE goes I will be pi$$ed
and SuSE?
Apple + apt? cool!
KDE is beautiful.. I just test the 3.2beta
* KohlFusion can't see himself shelling out 50 bucks for a word processor
apt rules
linuxitch: yes. mac os x would be the ms desktop killer.
PaulH, start getting involved, coding, documenting, etc
KDE is too advanced, too nice, and too slick to just 'go away'
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That's why I only use Debian-based distros.
linuxitch: if it were ported to linux on x86.
I want to try OS X on an AMD.
emphatically heh.
wftl: I agree
An emphatic Gnome? Interesting image there. :-)
weel sorry guys, don't mess with our KDE !
I've always felt that Gnome's success comes down to Miguel and Nat's political saavy. It's not the system KDE is.
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yay -enlightenment
Me finally realized why I've been bumming on Suse 9 on my Thinkpad and installed apt4rpm and am happily getting 1.2 gig
pr0m - is there an rpm or something i can get to give me mac os x like desktop on linux
many of us are
are the radio hosts on the channel with us?
My home fileserver runs Knoppix, with Samba, a PHP webserver, and RAID drives.
I've used Gnome, it's not bad, I have always prefered KDE
WHile I don't really care, the song fragment "I want my KDE" just drifted into my head.
KDE customization rocks
KDE kiosk development is prettyh good
KDE is going nowhere.
I use gnome, but I also ise KDE apps :o
evolution rocks!
uh hello...... why isn't anyone challenging the comment about the need to port more CLOSED source applications to Linux?
mwg lol
use*
Don't hate Gnome, it just lacks to me
pine
why would KDE go away? who says so?
kmail is great
KDE has more company support
this guy needs to be challenged on that
ThunderBird!!
* waystar has more desktop options than she has shoes.
eric predicted it on this show
JZA, not really
stock: ESR
ESR
The only problem - repeat - the only problem with KDE is trolltec lock on propritary QT development.
linuxitch: i'm not sure that i understand your question. you can run linux on apple ppc.
FireBird!!
kde is better technology. You can make pretty guis with simple tech, just as M$. In the long run KDE is more interesting
kmail works for me. No HTML parsing by default.
THunderbird is awesome. :D
NZheretic: yea...
maybe MS will buy them
ack
KDE
NZheretic: yes, but who knows what could happen this year?!?!
pr0m - i have an x86 running mandrake with kde or gnome. Is there a mac os x - like desktop i can get for linux?
yeah it has... u just dont see it in eWeek..
ouch.....
KDEMS
i would say thats whishfull thinking, maybe in the same category as his thoughts about Sun Microsystems going bancrupt....
(Re-tunes spam filter yet again...)
How much are those hats again?
I thought it was the DECADE of the lawyer
I do like evolution, but it's a little bulky
I've tried Gnome several times, but it just lacks a bunch of features that KDE has. I wouldn't need those features if I were a init-file guru, but I'm not. Example: There is no way (that I could find) to switch my keymap to Dvorak, which is very easy to find in the KDE Control Panel.
graywind - which hats?
Why isn't anyone challenging Dennis' comment about the need to port more CLOSED source applications to Linux?
linuxitch: closest thing i know of is gnome tweaked a little bit. of course. there was a theme for enlightenment that was pretty convincing at first glance.
guess what? Sun sold tons of Linux workstations in the far east
text to speach in Konq is sweet
windowsrefund: we need to keep CLOSED SOURCE out of Linux
Gnome looks clean and pretty, though.
text to speech in Konq?
linuxitch, you know :)

windowsrefund: agreeing with you
18$ was it?
MGALUG: our guest Dennis just said the complete opposite and was not called on it
I can't believe that
IBM won't settle. They can't afford to let the copycat lawsuits to pop up
but I heard it myself
Me too, Jeff. Everybody's scared...
SEC could go after SCO
Vampire articles? :-)
graywind -- oh, THOSE hats -- email me at alan@linuxitch.com, and i'll give you a discount.
IBM is far from stupid. They can not settle, for the same reason Israel does not negotiate with terrorists
One thing I don't like, Gnome is impossible to install from source, so many packages it's insane
MGALUG & windowsrefund: Don't discriminate against closed source -- prove that open-source alternatives are superior -- that's all....
but its a free market, i think (hope) there's room for both
Censer Arne again!!!
Why don't you publish it yourself?
anyone in here that wants one of the linuxitch.com hats, email me at alan@linuxitch.com, and i'll set you up.
hey joe barr
Linurati, I modify all my setting to what I like anyway, so gnome out of the box would still look different on my desktop, my KDE looks pretty fricken awsome
What about publishing stuff like that on blogs!
The Gov's scared about coming out with open source
linuxandmain guy: haver you contacted EFF?
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I use Nvidia drivers... open source, but taint Kernel...
how was the 1st amendment being violated? (sorry i currently am not following US news... sorry)
for fear of retribution by MS, others i.e....
Linurati: what???????? are you kidding me? Do you know where you are? You're in #linuxshow. Do you know what Linux is?
graywind - no they were $15, but i can go a bit lower :)
NVIdia is not open
so I don't use it
ok.. your right
yeah nvidia is all proprietary
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"Let me remind your boss (an elected official) that we still
windowsrefund -- re-read my comment. I think you'll see I'm in favor of open source.....
but I use it ...have to to play my games
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Kick Ban!
gotta have Tuxracer
make campaign contributions..."
frozen-bubble!
Linurati: you told me not to discriminate against closed source
did you not?
closed kernel modules is a diff story
namaseit: kids love frozen-bubble!
solitare
Yes, but read the second half of my statement -- you're like SCO, reporting things out of context....
*I* love frozen-bubble :)
namaseit frozen-bubble rocks!
I love PySol!
did I hear correctly that someone thought RedHat should buy MySQL
my prediction for 2004, microsoft will more agressive try to grab hold of its market, but it won't be able to remove the grease from its hands.
has actually avertised it...
Level 80!!!
like MS is doing
I dont' mind proprietary apps but kernel stuff/infastructure should remain open
Can't get past level 99 in frozen-bubble :(
namaseit I like the tunes with the game
stock, m$ .NET is doing just that
kill -9 linux ; access violation
don't want to pay for proprietary apps on Linux
anyone had heard about Microsoft new marketing strategy vs. MS on the server
chrisb, yah for like 5 minutes
:)
toga migrate to a 64bit puter :)
terracon: must be nice to sit on the fence
pay for a distro and apps come with it
MGALUG: me neither
namaseit yeah
Re: 2.6.1-rc2 can/must it be added on top of 2.6.1-rc1 or are each of the rcs meant to go on a 2.6.0 tree?
windowsrefund: you get things like games that are more art so I don't mind if they're closed
stock: The lid will just come down faster!
that's my primary reason here... I can't afford to buy MS closed source for 5 computers
MS can't kill something that is intangable
I wrote previously "Don't discriminate against closed source -- prove that open-source alternatives are superior -- that's all...." That means that if you show people that the open source alternative is better anyway (example, OO.o vs. MS Office), then the closed source software will fail all on its own.
toga heh :)
Patent!!
the kernel should always be open. as long as that happens, then I don't mind closed sources apps for Linux; so long as the companies are competing fairly
Bill Gates Senior was a prominent Seattle Senator, BTW.
yeah, they're going to get dirty
ms -- what about their patent portfolio.
BG Sr. was Seatle Lawyer
M$ woi
I think MS site will get DOS attack every other month
Also a senator
john: patch 2.6.1 (not 2.6.1-rc1)
Linurati: ok I see. Your comment was more like some Zen philosophy thing. got it
Asserting their IP over FAT is going to hurt. Think about all the digital cameras, and other devices
How did OJ walk?
How can Microsoft's EULA be legal and not GPL?
PACs
Russ! hah!
Patents
indeed beware of US senate/congress to 'promote' Linux and GPL contrabandwarez
they can
their EULA *should* be illegal!
't
You can patent it!
Okay. I run a Linux advocacy site (Linurati.net) -- I'm on your side!
can't
M$ working w/IBM to replace the BIOS and you know what that will mean
maybe a 'DOS Microsoft' Live CD :)
JZA: MS runs a site on DOS? 3.1? 4.0? :-)
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linuxitch, what now?
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mwg I meant Deny of System
err.. Service
but I don't see how the TLS staff let Dennis' comment about wanting to see more closed source applications get ported to linux go unchallenged
MS version of BSD
TOOO LATE ....
I was disappointed whes I saw the news that M$ took their website off of Linux servers... ;-)
JAZ: Humor, funny earth concept...
http://www.open-mag.com/features/Vol_79/redstorm/redstorm.htm
give me 4 billion dollars
buy KDE and Novell/SuSE
geez -- i'd take it.
Does that mean we can get good hardware drivers then?
"With national stewards of the nuclear stockpile needing to replace test-based confidence with simulation-based confidence, they now turn to supercomputer providers Cray for a Linux-on-Opteron super-solution."
http://www.open-mag.com/features/Vol_79/redstorm/redstorm.htm
Oops, JAZ shoule have been LZA back there.
Linus would say what refined crack are you smoking Bill
Ack!
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lol
Patents
Everyone knows that, right? During the height of the Blaster worm attacks, M$ sites were on Linux. hee hee
he likes the x-files does'nt he?
hehehehe.. explain 'removal'
still are
MGALUG, then Linus would start using it too so he can go a coding rampage and create linux 2.8.0 in 48 hours!!!
sounds like a mafia thing..
is he implying knocking linus off -- i.e. a sopranos whacking
lol
indeed M$ linux would be very serious stuff. why? Microsoft has over 75% of the PeeCee hardware manufacturares inside their control, and might create a M$ Linux distro, which would then be the only distro on which all Windows hardware also works.... be very afraid.
Correction.... Bill Gates Senior _was_ lawyer, not Senator
Yeah I saw tht Linurati, LOL
However...
hahaha
Change IP to propreitary procol, Crinley predicted that oe.
hahahahahaha
:x
heh
nice comment ESR
you forgot the 'you smoking crack'
Linurati: they used akami (sp), They didn't run their sites in linux
Did he just say "go do what to yourself"? LMHO
Linus would say what refined crack are you smoking Bill
Mom Gates was the lawyer.
my minor ears, oh noes lol
what about andrew mortem and the rest of the kernel gurus
ms -- certainly could work on government regulations....
KohlFusion, "fuck yourself"
alan cox
graywind: get over it
I know, it was outsourced, but M$ sites were still running on Linux.
:)
That is a lot of self respect I can live without.
that's what I thought, lmho
you forgot the 'you smoking crack' -- go and see Bush for a fix
Linurati linuxitch LinuxRiC
Linus T. Kirk?
Linurati: still are
http://zdnet.com.com/5208-1105-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=1066&messageID=20696&start=-1
"William Gates Jr. was one of Seattle's most prominent lawers and civic brhmins...
I'm going to have to download this show and listen to it again -- I can't follow it and keep up in this chat.
What happened to the 10:00 break + crappy music? I need to make a cup of tea!!
chat is hot tonight
The elder gates was also an active player in the political arena in Washington State.
Linurati: Me too.
me too -hot cocoa!
fedoraguy: agree
the show is too heated and important for any breaks tonight
Does IBM use it's patents to protect Linux?
Senators, congressmen, and governors came to dinner at the family's house when Bill was a boy.
lets hear the other threats, lets not hear more of the world according geek with gun....
What kind of tea? I like Bigelow English Breakfast.
well what would a man with a gun about to be killed do?
Coco in the Daemin mug!
Linurati: same here
holy shit!
(Sips wild cherry pepsi for caffiene.)
hot chat tonight!
MS could hire Alan Cox to crack the kernel
i don't want to break - i'm intrigued by this conversation. It's great
Earl grey
"The Pride Before the Fall" by John Heilemann
vanilla coke, here, ok I may be odd....
Eric--don't be so hard on the guy...
jeez esr let joe talk
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lol
can't beat em? /join em, and be better with m$ gadget hardware driver support
hah!
Dr. Pepper here
lol
prediction - longhorn will be the last ms operating system release.
Threat modeling. :P
IBM can not aford Liunx to be killed. That alone will make the patent void
Vanilla Pepsi , you can taste the artifical vanilla
woah
oh...
"Replicator.exe has caused an exception in module 'EarlGray."
this is getting serious
yeah, what can be done?
don't give Gates any ideas
I doubt that, M$ will not disappear
And now the hosts threaten each other ;-)
huh... matrix??
prediction - longhorn will NOT be released - it'll be dumped in favor of MS Linux.
matrix the movie?
One problem with the Microsoft attack - * ANTITRUST * ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *
Vanilla Pepsi and ..... iTunes
pr0m: IF they release Longhorn
is this guy smoking crack?
DNA loved Earl Grey. (Douglas Adams) Evidently, there was a blend of Earl Grey also known as "blend 42"... Could that be the origin of The Answer?
lol
If linux went away, I would go live in the mountains and be a hermite
lol
No, Threat Matrix
oh I get it now
heh
PaulH: i didn't say that ms would disappear. i said that longhorn would be they're last os release.
It's crack
namaseit: linux will not go away, it would go underground
PaulH: they will create a new revenue stream.
threat model--basically and FMEA?
it will go underground with kde!
pr0m: I don't think MS will disappear either. But Longhorn has morphed quite a bit since it's inception. ;)
http://news.google.com/news?scoring=d&num=100&q=Microsoft+Antitrust
Linurati: Officialy, 42 was the funniest souding number he could come up with.
actually, if linux went away, thousands of companies would
One problem with the Microsoft attack - * ANTITRUST * ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *ANTITRUST *
Longhorn will hit the street Q4 this year ...patches and service packs will immediately follow
like the WMD and iraq, a guess sometimes....
What is the threat matrix for them changing the callin number so Eric's never on the show again?
sec
and noone is mentioning DRM/TCPA when it comes to these threats?
terracon why underground? cause of KDE ?
http://www.tpub.com/content/USMC/mcwp212/css/mcwp212_79.htm
guys... ever see the antitrust case?
Just make software illegal... except the one that start with Microsoft Corporation
Legal action -- what about requiring all software developers to be liscenced...
Sun would be screwed if linux went away, Novell, IBM. Lot's of others
all software
pr0m: I doubt it, they are in a three year cycle now
john: ESR apparently has lots of guns. Lots. :P
i thought longhorn wasn't due until 2005/
6
Declare the GPL an illegal "pyramid scheme" where somehow the downstream people "pay" the upstream people who do nothing.
just like SCO
knowprose: LOL
knowprose: ESR HAS a lot of guns
ms office will be the transition software revenue stream before settling on something more services and hardware combo based. similar to ibm's market position.
How can Linux go underground -- it's *everywhere*! It could never go away, even if every current developer moved to Mars. The source in *everywhere*, and others would take it up.
lol
LOL
this community has so much intellectual capital now, if Linux gets derailed, we'll start something new the next day
stock: just a joke since they were saying in an earlier prediction that kde is in some trouble with the novell/suse situation
Or the third!!1
sjohnson: I read that.
the secret dep. inside CIA most probably are M$ chillz
jza, that's what will happen when they replace the bios
:)
Come on this is a silly discussion Bring in IBM they can lobby better than most
sjohnson: So I should be careful the next time I talk to Kathy? :-)
TCPA is threat #1
they are scared shitless
ms
TOOO LATE ....
garsmaz: I was wondering... if GNU/Linux becomes mainstream completely, I'll need a new OS :))
They should be scared.
mwg: She's a lawyer to boot. :)
"With national stewards of the nuclear stockpile needing to replace test-based confidence with simulation-based confidence, they now turn to supercomputer providers Cray for a Linux-on-Opteron super-solution."
That BIOS replacement they are going to have will fail
Lets hear the otheer threats, Joe???
http://www.open-mag.com/features/Vol_79/redstorm/redstorm.htm
BSA...
TCPA!!!!
9 out of 10 Pheonix bios' are TCPA-ready
oir Gartner
The case to rate big is something related to "National Security"....
Gartner would try to make Linux unmarketable..
Linux helps National Security
knowprose: You could just switch to Slackware. It'll never be mainstream, but it rocks.
Gartner is a bunch of kindergartners
:)
lol
lol
;-)
:)
Linurati: I was thinking more FreeDOS with a Gem Desktop LOL
lol
LOL
ROFL
?
hah
lol
heh
they have a right to be scared, they can see the writing on the wall how much have they lost to companies and entire countries switching to open source
Linurati: Once you go Slack you won't go back!
darl's ass has to come up.
Yuck! Bad mmental image of the century!
Business is good here!!!
yah slack is where it's at
john: HERE HERE
eWeek columnist writes on the SCO 'wolf story'
john: I love Slackware -- it's my favorite distro. I'm just not knowledgable enough to use it.
I saw that in the Wall Street Journal!
More people are blaming Sun!
MicroSCO
My customers could care less about SCO.
Slack here!
MicroSCOffed?
HAHA -- GEM Desktop -- I had an 8088 Amstrad in late 80's ... it was great - on four 5 1/4" colored floppies. The green one went bad :(
eWeek even asked something about the SUN funding SCO
cstevens: No, they couldn't.
;o)
SUN bought a SCO license also
linuxitch: I still have an Amstrad PC1512. Needs some work.
Linurati: totally!
I'm in xchat -- clueless newb (re: the app) what does it mean when the name of a commentator is in color (e.g.Linurati PaulH)
IT will be interesting to see who is really behind SCOX $50 million funding
Only after AT&T pissed off Judge Greene
john, its yours
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/foia/divisionmanual/ch2.htm
STFU eric!
Even Wallstreet Journal mentioned SCO funded by MS and Sun In the paper today
They aint doing anything with RIAA and is 1/4 of the Tech industry
He's member of ethnic minority?
john your nick is in the comment
it means someone is speaking *to* you
"Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal. Every person who shall make any contract or engage in any combination or conspiracy hereby declared to be illegal shall be deemed guilty of a felony, and, on conviction thereof, shall be punished by fine not exceeding $10,000,000 if a corporation, or, if
any other person, $350,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding three years, or by both said punishments, in the discretion of the court.
"
knowprose - I think that was it -- the 1512 - Does it still have that sample paint image of that lady next to the amstrad. That was great when 16 colors were available
i use xchat too john, it means someone has typed your nick
john: If your name is at the beginning of the message, then it will be highlighted to get your attention.
McGurk: sweet
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/foia/divisionmanual/ch2.htm
The FTC doesn't care it will take a judge.
get GAIM!
lol
Yea so what....
And it did! ( get my attention) Thanks all
heh
How about telling us the other threats Joe?
American Chopper
Fox News ROX
linuxitch: I think so, yeah. It still has ALDUS Pagemaker on it :o
they'll cover it on Threat Matrix
What about American Chopper?
yeah, American Chopper kicks butt
one app does all the chat you need
Rox News Fox
American Chopper is bad ass...
Nothing remains secret forever.
knowprose - holy moly - that was SOOO long ago for me.
like the CSI on WiFI last week
American Chopper is ok
Shit. We pay Joe more than the gov't would
Microsoft sill has a Federal Judge standing on their neck. She could still chew up M$
Threat Matrix: http://abc.go.com/primetime/threatmatrix/ for those who care.
Joe Bar, Tonight after the O'Reily factor
linuxitch: Yeah, I was plotting world domination back then. Now I would be happy with the Galapagos...
OCC was at the bike expo at Javitts Center on Sunday, but I heard the lines were horrible.
NZheretic hey dude, you know what $10 million fine means to M$ ?
hahaha
shit
thats true
hey robin
Dennis: what was that about the need to have more closed source applications ported to Linux?
Linux is a threat for the Job
I've got pictures from the bike expo, if anyone wants. A friend of mine went there.
American Chopper -- Watch some ill-tempered guy yell and scream at his employees.... I'll pass.
* windowsrefund holds the mic up to Dennis
hi, JeffGerhardt - I wasn't sure I'd be around tonight, so didn't commit.
lots of IT guys would get out of job for actually do any administration
yah cause 1 guy can managed 300 linux servers while it takes a "team" of people to run 10
Dennis, you have mail
Linux eat middleman also
roblimo hello
Yeah but it doesn't take upper management long to figure the "blame factor" out.
Yeah, I've taped the shows and just fast-forward past the drama.
real programming, imagine having to learn C or Perl!!!
hey Robin. Been a while since the conference.
I make my living supporting Windows. Stressful at times, but as long as MS sells softwre, I'm employed.
That's a good point, though.
I'd rather support Linux.
knowprose - yeah, I played with my Amstrad for many a year figuring out how to get my computer to talk to me like in War Games.
Linux may get many sys admin fired..
Welcome Rob
Arne- watch a BIG guy yell at his kids and not have their mom yelling at you! Great show!
hey rob!
namaseit: Burlington guy said it.
JeffGerhardt, I had a conference scheduled with a heavy Linux hacker today, but we put it off 'til tomorrow. Said conference will take place on my sailboat. :)
too bad Doc isnt here to take a swing
Hi rob
Yes... new is bad... for big companies...
3000 systems managed by few
mwg: So do I. Painful. But successfully installed OpenOffice on about 10 client machines...
yeah, we need music break :)
I work for a big company, and they still use a damned AS/400 to run the business...
P time.
isn't the going rate for an MSCE pretty high?
Major piece about FSF and usability factors on NF in the a.m.
*gurgle* I hate this machine.
Two hour shop, Two hour show!!!!
knowprose will want to read it!
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Will we be able to download the show to listen to it again?
roblimo: NF?
knowprose: On the plus side, Mozilla is the required browser for a Java application at the office.
how long the show supposed to last?
allo roblimo
roblimo: Heh. You've been reading :P
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Well linux was made for the lazy :) everything comes from a lazy want, "I don't want to do that a thousand times, how about once and it spawns a thousand times"
2.6.0 has SATA support... it sure works on promise gear... look at www.promise.com .. i bet they themselves don't know it exists :)
knowprose, how's life in TT, and why aren't you writing new cool stuff for Linux.com?
pr0m: it varies
fedoraguy, NewsForge
How 'bout 64-bit computing? <==
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tomorrow screen savers is going to have instructions on how to update new kernel
Arn but you agree that on kernel issue is very up to Linus job..
I'm trying to introduce OSS, such as mySQL and Linux, but I'm getting nowhere fast. I do have the director of IT listening, though. There's only so much power he has within the organization.
yo limo.
PaulH: k.
How many active kernel hacker is there?
gonna be in NYC in 2 weeks?
THREAT: Microsoft supports some open source software, and distributes the same for Windows. IMPACT: Microsoft leverages OS software, slows switch to Linux PROBLEM FOR MS: OpenOFfice.org impacts MS Office sales.
yo low per ja
Still trying to figure out what is wrong with time update in 2.6....
JasonPerlow: i love you, man
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and what about the 3com 940 Giga ethernet? why is the linux driver not called 3c940.o but lin98sk.o or such?
nah. the 2.4 kernel will be a landmark for a while to come.
ummm which competition, the RTOS from embedded OS? SiemensOS? or Solaris?
roblimo: Going nuts. Teaching at the local University to make ends meet. FSC. Stuff.
warthawg: I havent been in the writing game in over a year
Is this channel active other times, when the show isn't on?
JasonPerlow, you and warthawg had *better* learn to love each other or I will hurt you both!!!
but I just took the hardware column at Linux Mag
JasonPerlow: still consulting?
just finished my first article in over a year
Linurati, not really
oh
yep
the year of the Desktop :)
It's getting on the desktop! Seriously!
LindowsOS have been pretty much everywhere...
2.6.x frame buffer bug is still there :(
* tdb30_ seems to remember jason perlow from the old os/2 days.
I just saw some LindowsOS adds in Mexico
Desktop, that flat surface where I keep my monitor, keyboard and trackball. :-)
I'm probably going to be converting an animation studio to linux
You mean Sun's JDS?
THREAT: MS locks in new computers to Windows using BIOS locking mechanisms from manufacturers. e.g. "Trusted Computing" IMPACT: Users must specfically buy a computer from a limited # of manufacturers to run Linux
i had problems with acpi in 2.6.0
for me the year of the desktop is when i see linux in office max or on my mom's computer
I tripled my number of desktops running it in 2003
question : how many cycles remain in the Linux Kernel development cycle before we hit the theoritcal limits of what a Unix like kernel can be?
mwg: :)
tdb: the wounds are still healing
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linux is on my mom's computer
Major Trend: Asia will totally adopt
the 2.6 kernel will be critical in bringing linux to more laptop users.
2.6.0 is clean stuff , as my 1st impression.... got a x86_64 AMD64 kernel compiled clean and booted on a amd64 3200+ ASUS K8V deluxe, booting from SATA
wtg mm!
question : how many cycles remain in the Linux Kernel development cycle before we hit the theoritcal limits of how good a Unix like kernel can be?
My BOSS installed a linux desktop this year. MY BOSS you hear?!?
UFS write (at least for Solaris) has been broken since 2.2
ok I got a preddiction, Novell will announce a mayor support contracts with governments and big companies.....
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lol, thekompany.com
Linunx on consumer devices. Led by Sony
sean gordon
Scotter: Your BOSS? No Way!!
they made almost all the Zaurus apps
linuxitch: You can see Linux at Staples and Best Buy, at least. Granted, maybe 3 distros, max (SuSE, Mandrake, and Red Hat), but it is something.
Will Linux get 10% of the desktop in 2004?
Novell management is very focused on being the #1 and Sun is giving competition...
2) Linux on the Enterprise Desktop - Hell YES
Complete distributions : Xandros, SUSE, Sun's Linux/GNOME/Java desktop
Third party desktops : Ximian XD2, KDE 3.x
Third party Office Suite : Sun's StarOffice
With an effort : Redhat 8.0/9 + OpenOffice
2.6.x ide cd burner works fine.
JasonPerlow, actually alot were ported to zaurus
heineke, no.
We demonstrated that all mission critical apps in the company run under Fedora with one use of Wine.
nama: thats what I was doing for a year
I see redhat in stores nowadays.
Major Trend: Universities go for Linux big time!
I second that..
I ran the dev program for the zaurus
i agree
Gov't adoptions are no longer news,
2004 - the year more women discover Linux
how about EUR 100,= for Mandrake 9.2 amd64 ? :)
DougDante: Where did you hear that... about microsoft and the bios locking??
thats why I stopped writing! lol
the bush government won't do it
I've got my wife on Linux.
Gov't adoptions are much bigger than press knows because
My wife hates linux
we need something like dshield.org that covers worldwide Linux adoption
2004 Linux discovers women!
2004 - the year running windows gets you onto ricki lake or jerry springer.
Gov't does'nt necessarilly like to come out about it.
NZheretic: Don't you know KDE is going to die? (says ESR)
indeed
My wife likes linux...
actually until recentl, I hated linux as a desktop
waystar: my wife uses it
GOVT GETS HAMMERED
I use Xandros 2 now
for the last 3 weeks or so
linuxitch: aaaahahaha
I've been using it for three years now
basically gave here no choice
JasonPerlow Give her a bit of daemon
my wife doesn't care what desktop she runs. she just wants to type, browse, and print.
I still use windows for audible.com downloads and iTunes
Massachusets was the one that opposed to the Microsoft settlement?
Linurati: I got my GREAT UNCLE - 80 years old - on GNU/Linux
dumped Win 98 for the awesome stability of Linux
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psycholnx: I'm making up threats. "TC will also make it much harder for you to run unlicensed (READ: Not approved) software" http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
my husband was impressed when I used VNC to take over his 2000 desktop
m$ looses for now one way or the other
Open Source Impact: http://www.mwvlug.org/open_source_cd/index.htm
i c
I dont like the way Xandros handles GTK apps though
Windows to crack iTunes, Linux and BSD to listen to them
i wouldnt put it past them though
that's what people need to tell... just how much better Linux is with examples... machines they can test it on
the gnome integration is crappy
Faking wins mindshare
DougDante: I hear ya
I would see new distros KDE based being created... the economy is back, and new Linux companies would be created....
but the windows integration is excellent
Chicks dig Linux: http://linurati.net/shawn/linux_chick.jpg ;o)
JasonPerlow: Gnome is crappy
Not only the MS margin but it raises the interoperability issue
KDE rocks!
My wife hates linux too! Perhaps there's a potential market there for open source that it isn't tapping.
IMO
I have Xandros two, and that's what my wife and I use. It's simple.
MGA: yeah, well, one cannot live by KDE apps alone
wife hates linux here too...
MGALUG i agree...
The heats been happening since 1997 with SAMBA replacing NT.
I am particurally intriged about DOCOMO support on Linux on their mobiles....
i dont get it.
My wife hates PC's
NTT DOCOMO is HUGE....
anybody using xd2?
Hancom on the Zaurus is OK
I'm female, yet sadly I haven't met any other female linux uses in real life
me neither
Mc: its a bit of a pig
I use Gnome apps too
desktop is nice in KDE
Linurati: W00T!!! That's what MY box has been missing ;)
JasonPerlow also true... but why do i find running gnucash smoother inside KDE3.1.3 smoother as inside GNOME 2.4?
Xandros runs non-KDE apps just fine.
2.6.1-rc2-bk1 is out.
dep@linuxandmain.com is down :-(
Asian ppl dunno PC's they do it all on the mobile phones...
I use Pan, and that's it.
We had Microsoft salesdroid demanding entry to the server rooms in 1998.
got MDK 2.6 running here
waystar: There's two in Trinidad and Tobago that I know of.
You need to hang around biology labs. Genomics/Linux/women
rc1
knowprose: I know! ;-)
I'm really getting sick of being a second generation alternate OS freak though
I want it in ebonics and pig latin
OS--translation--they can translatate but just don't care....
JZA lol
Linurati: gotta take it down when g/f 1.0 shows up :(
ha
I introduced one woman to Linux. This had an amusing result years later. ESR told her that she had been using Linux longer than he had, that blew my mind.
Yeah, my wife gets jealous.
lol
wyastar: http://www.linuxchix.org/
MGALUG kick ass stuff... my tip : get a AMD64 3200+ board... these boards pull the carpet from the floor
waystar: http://www.linuxchix.org/
mwg: haha
Hell, two women introduced me to Linux
/mnt/shizzle/
yeah, I'm on several of the linuxchix mailing lists
Xandros is not bad at all though
best debian I have used
how much?
waystar: Check http://www.xeebra.com/bitstream - Hamadraiad runs it
How much for what?
not carpet... cost
ESR but there is development chances..
chrisb, hey, I use that too, /mnt/shizzle, /mnt/shiznat, /mnt/shiz
Klingon.
jose, that's awesome!
Xandros 2.0 -- I have all the coupon codes for the discounts. All interested, milo@linurati.net
Yes... and don't measure things in $... measure the in people...
namaseit: lol
mnt/televizzle
heh
what's command to restart arts
Go to Iceland 250K people and local language support in Linux
killall arts
waystar - of course both women are Unix Pros!
:)
man I never get to these linuxshow things on time
Two hour show, Two hour show!!!!
JasonPerlow, they play all week
http://lists.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2003-December/msg00225.html
Too late.
It's past my bedtime, but I'm enjoying the company.
JasonPerlow, just listen after this one and it will be the same show
i'm getting my lighter out for an encore... encore!!
ha!
SCO... any big company has lawyers smarter that SCOs.... so why would they care...
are we on a break yeat
yet
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What year did you all get into Linux?
I would see Linux conquering the mobile market...
2000
have we done the second part yet?
embedded.. eventually someone will get it right
2004 is the year of Linux on the cell phone
1999
1998
maybe
Linux is really beginning to dominate all sorts of embedded networking areas
logarithmic
1999
1994
jeremy_ -- wow.
rh5.2 was my first distro
Linux... awesome year...
1998
Anyone predict Sco pulls out a semi smoking gun of some sort?
First distro?
Mandrake 7.0
rh2.0 was my first
What about Linux in the Movies! No one mentioned that!
scotter: like what? they have nothing
when did slack do the ver # jump?
2004, the year IBM will own everything
Linurati: I'm not sure, but Windows 3.1 was the dominant version at the time.
rh5.2
Linux is the movies these days!!!!
at the end it will be only IBM
really??
dunno,
game over
what distro
woo-hoo!
graywind, dont know, check slackware.com
2004 will be the year Sun goes under
Linux *makes* the movies these days.... Shrek, etc.
Kennedy Space Center Uses OpenNMS http://opennms.org/
microsoft is irrelevant
suse that ran from disk off of a linux format magizine- then installed MDK 7.2
MS is just a toy we keep around to bash :)
Slackware but it wouldn't install off the stack o floppies so I ordered FreeBSD 2.0 on CD...
Microsoft is irrelevant, SCO is futile!
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Linurati, took a class on C (instead of Fortran..Engr major) and wanted to program at home
JasonPerlow: Agreed. Where's my towel? :P
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yeah and the Commercial Linux Distros..
JasonPerlow, Haven't you heard my quote? - "I no longer hate Microsoft. Why should I? I haven't used their products since 1998."
MGALUG ASUS K8V deluxe : EUR 156,= AMD64 3200+ (2200MHz/1Mb) EUR 329,= (boxed including cooler)
Google?
Mars Rover Linux: http://lwn.net/Articles/62848/
jeremy_: Oh, cool.
Google?
I agree with Jeff -- the economy is swinging back, and with the $$$ save on MS products that can be pumped into real business ventures
Google? IPO
IT rose 60% this year...
I have older magazines that have ads for boxed sets of Slackware
2004 will suck to be a little linux company
yahoo is dropping google, woder if it will hurt the IPO?
JZA, check out my friend Warren's Mepis Linux- free Debian-based nice distro, we know how to keep it free AND make money.
JasonPerlow, not really
Eric, who's the Libertarian Candidate? Some equal time here?!
vote dubya out!
I'm starting my own freelance writing business, and I'm going to try to use 100% open source. I may have clients that require something funky, but otherwise, open source all the way.
JasonPerlow, great year to be a tiny low-overhead Linux company!
hehe I preffer new distro models non-based on nanything distros
nama: I guess you havent been counting ad pages in magazines
Linurati, I need freelancers!
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maybe ESR would get a new company
:)
roblimo: What kind of work?
roblimo: what type of articles do you need written?
I'm in...
slavery!
;o)
limo is a slave driver!
ouch
roblimo - i'd like to freelance some time. what are you looking for
roblimo: does it pay at all?
DotCom 2004 == Application (Web) Services.
Mandrake is definitely in 6th gear, RedHat has to switch to 4th.
roblimo - I am running Mepis and it is a fantastic distro!
Yes, we pay.
pay for what?
jose, I'm running mepis too.
hot show
Anyone besides Eric ever use Yggdrasil Linux?
and all the development will come from Bangalore
with all those techies
jose: what's unique about Mepis?
nice job guys :)
it won't go through!
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it dies
MGALUG, you're turning in to a penguin! Stop it!
great show!
42 Clients on the linuxinstallcds.com stream tonight
Scotter: the plug and play distro
Great Show!!! Happy New Year!!!
Great show!
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nice job guys :)
yea
E-mail me when you need a freelancer: shawn@freelancepen.com
great show
Awesome show
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
I am
thanks guys
great show!
great show
great show
great show, guys!
Good show! Everyone have an excellent new year.
Mepis - fantastic support, based on SID, yet everything works
awesome show!!
have them all over
Writers - see this - http://www.newsforge.com/write.tmpl
see you next week!!!!
drawing them too
awesome show!!
great show
yeah great show and ehh HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! :)
two hours already? excellent show tonight, thanks everyone
great show, I am listening again to this one I missed too much
going to post some on my site soon
attend the golden penguin bowl guys
great show!
after I get the domain name from TLS
where
video? guess you guys will have to clean up before a broadcast
video.... right on :)
thanks for another show
Hope everyone made their video donation? I id
<--- writing whore. :P
:)
hide the beer
Great show! I didn't hear a complete sentence due to the GREAT irc chat. Nice to be with you all.
Great show!
I am actively seeking (paid) writers for NewsForge, Linux.com, and our other sites.
nite all!
Great show guys...
We're outta here!!!
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thanks for another show - now I have to download and listen to it LOL
wow
nice
roblimo: any specific topics needed?
i b here
Arneeeeeeeeee
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NZheretic you have a url archive collection online somewhere?
Bye!!!
Hi Roblimo. Been a while!
knowprose: me too
gerrynjr, see http://www.newsforge.com/write.tmpl
I feel like I should have logged the chat
roblimo : I will email you ,
wftl, roger that
Good night, Arne
got it here
Good night
roblimo: i've got some free time, maybe i'll write something :-D
PaulH:
adios
42 Clients on the linuxinstallcds.com stream tonight
NZheretic, you know I love your stuff!
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roblimo has his writers locked up in a little room and feeds them nothing but ramen noodles
Free LAMO!!!
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have the chat... drop your email address
Music!
G'night, all!
will send it
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JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
roblimo: How do u know Warren? Just curious.
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Wow, users are dropping like flies.
good show tonight
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JasonPerlow, only warthawg. Otherwise, I prefer free range writers
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Linurati: You think it's the music? LOL
You know it's good when they forget the break.
quit
they should post the connections that there are to each stream, so people can balance it out and use mirrors that are less used if some are overwhelmed
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
What's the protocol? We all leave after the theme music?
that's ok MGALUG I'd never get a chance to reread it anyway
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friggin' awesome show tonight - best of the year so far for sure :)
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lol
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
lol
This music is making me close XMMS, but not Xchat.....
hmm, http://www.yggdrasil.com/ doesn't have a site any more
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JeffGerhardt: I sent an email, but it bounced back
that is some pretty sad bumper music
i didn't know there was a mailing list, have to check that out
yuck
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NZheretic guess someone from a publisher shows up, and tells you to write your memoires... would you point him to your blog site?
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PaulH: check your tabs
trying to send you the file
2003 was the year I switched from writing abotu linux to writing about food
The music sounds like it has a 4Hz glitch.
lol
I'm using gaim
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
and now I'm back in linux again
heineke: No, it was recorded underwater.
it won't dcc
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I try to get out but they keep pulling me back in
I'm sure it's a long shot, but is anyone here in the Reading, PA area?
kraven@toonville.yi.org
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"see" you all next week.
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roblimo: the prices are right :-D
KevDude: chance of posting IRC chat text file to the site?
IF HE REALLY WAS IN THE NSA, that is
frankly I've decided to do it for the cool toys and the women
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
can't believe he doesn't watch Threat Matrix
warthawg: NSA = No Such Agency
Scotter: try http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.yggdrasil.com/
last week we had a guy register 43 domains
I cant compete with limo though, he gets most of the women
KevDude: That would be nice addition to the site
I get his rejects
knowprose: 63-70
archives
MGA indeed.. is there even a irc logging of this archived??
I'm logging them
knowprose, then No Such Agency created SElinux
JasonPerlow: It's the car.
wow still 50 in the irc
at least have been
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
JeffGerhardt: please tell dennis to contact the eff
last few weeks
JeffGerhardt: I sent an email, but it bounced back
JeffGerhardt, 51!
namaseit: No Such Linux. :P
sure
JasonPerlow: http://www.linuxchix.org
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:)
JeffGerhardt: thansk
I can post them on my Usergroup site
sad to hear that..
knowprose: I got a 1987 cadillac brougham because it makes me look as cool as Limo
lively show tonight
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and to think I bought from loki
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if that might help
JeffGerhardt: best show ever BTW
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JasonPerlow: do you have a recipe for jalepeno potato soup?
loki, oy vey
certainly hot
Good show, Jeff!
JasonPerlow: I use my animal magnetism, but I keep attracting animals. :o
wart: post on my web site, you'll get one in two seconds
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Jeff -- did you get my email about the t-shirts and hats you wanted me to bring to linuxworld?
www.egullet.com -- yahoo pick on december 29
not best ever]
no way
big austin community there too
JeffGerhardt: ok, it was great :-D
tell 10 friends about the show
JasonPerlow: what is your web site?
linuxitch, im gonna buy a hat :)
definitely the best so far this year ;)
egullet.com
Well, I had a fantastic time this evening. Thanks all! 'night
or a shirt
JeffGerhardt: the stream cutout was a bit of an annoyance...
all linux geeks that like food
haven't decided
I love potato soup
but the content was good
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why should dennis contact eff
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guys like chris dibona and mandrake and bruce schneier
MGALUG - whats the URL
So, lemme see... ESR said KDE would die.... Groklaw should be covering patents as soon as possible.... I have a cool new background...
JeffGerhardt: well, they are all about protecting free speech
I would assume they could help him out, if needed
JeffGerhardt did you send a email announcement today?
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Joe Barr>> eric wants to ask uyou a question
emauil him'
people missed one big revolution.. and that is on the processor space... with AMD 64 getting more popular
and Cursoe making a comeback, linux will shine even more...
JZA: Waiting for the BTX mobos before I upgrade.
64 bit has been around for years
JZA: thats what I wanted to call in tonight about
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JeffGerhardt didn't see one in my mailbox here
JeffGerhardt: yes, sir. what is the question?
JZA true.. AMD64 was big
gentoo on the G5
JeffGerhardt: yeah but not on the desktop
I just got in a new opteron box
we are just catching up to the game consols
and I just reviewed an IBM Power machine
namaseit - email me at alan@linuxitch.com if you want a hat - i'll set you up with a discount
JeffGerhardt: :-D
review should be up on the linux mag website next week
I can't wait for my income tax return hopefully there will be enough left for me to get a AMD64 system
jo> email eric, it is about NSA stuff
Anyone wanna start an L-Box... :)
PaulH: I will get 1/2 a linux system.. since student pay nothing :-D
quad processor opteron in a 3U, very slick
1/2 an opteron system
16GB of ram
JeffGerhardt AMD64 is awesome , no kidding : everything, every 32bit source you feed is converted into amd64 binaries within seconds
JZA: a Z-box!
stock: how fast is it?
JeffGerhardt sofar not a single source i had to edit
JZA: actually, that's something here: http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/01/06/1413242 (Just mix and match a bit)
russ pawlicek and I wrote together about some AMD64 stuff last year
gerrynjr ehhh hold on :
its actually not very hard.. PS station migrating to Linux as their OS or Nintendo embracing linux and porting their games..
russ who?
stock: bogomips works :-D
wart: the dude on linux show
russ
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# openssl speed rsa
that is Pa"V"licek
Calibrating delay loop... 3053.97 BogoMIPS
he writes for newsforge too
JasonPerlow was that the Suse Opteron server review?
sign verify sign/s verify/s
rsa 512 bits 0.0004s 0.0000s 2588.5 28043.6
rsa 1024 bits 0.0018s 0.0001s 543.8 9775.9
rsa 2048 bits 0.0112s 0.0003s 89.0 2952.3
rsa 4096 bits 0.0761s 0.0012s 13.1 845.5
this is very very freakin fast
jeff: I cant spell
stock>> we believe you
chris, yes it was
stock: give me bogomips!
he did the software, I did the hardware
model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
stepping : 8
cpu MHz : 2199.873
cache size : 1024 KB
bogomips : 4390.91
stock: dmesg | more
thats a shit load of bogomips
stock: grab the bogomips
robliom???
oops
roblimo
http://www.linux-mag.com/online/pr_opteron_01.html
you hoooooo
roblimo: expect an article from me within a week or two
stock: cost
now THAT is a nice machine
gerrynjr, quesry first!
the one I just got in is its big brother
4 CPUs in a 3U
yikes
roblimo: oops, sorry :-\
roblimo>> you and Taco going to stop by at LWE and do a show?
JasonPerlow yeahm guess how much of those were purchased by Intel Inc? :)
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stock: I am sure quite a few
gerrynjr, don't want you to write something we already under way..
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no leaving IRC until you register a domain
send money mom
JeffGerhardt, i will
JeffGerhardt: i've told 50 people.. does that count as a domain?
I'll tell you though, as good as the Opteron is, the POWER is even more impressive
JeffGerhardt can i register for a secondary DNS hosting?
wait until you see the new IBM machine at linuxworld
the JS20
will blow you away
JeffGerhardt: Hey I gavea bit to the phone-in device fund!
I wiwh si were going to linuxworld
Hemos said you guys would, but I never heard back from you so I was not sure
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24 powerpc servers in a blade enclosure
4U high
JeffGerhardt: I register all my domains with you, will that work?
totally screaming
dual procs per blade
JasonPerlow I like the bit about compiling for Zaurus
JeffGerhardt: if you see people from the Roger Williams University IT department.. take them aside!
chris: yeah it was a good test, cross compiler
john>> thanks
we are up to about $350.00
I wanted a Zaurus, now I want that c760 or whatever it is
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maybe even 400
nama: make sure you get it cheap
oh I will
sharp wont likely be making new ones
I'll wait till it's old
* gerrynjr got 2k staroffice serials free
yet still new
b/c sun fucked up
IBM is working on a linux PDA
that uses PowerPC
they have yet to get back to me on what i'm going to do w/ em all
but its about a year from being reality
JasonPerlow: bullshit!
Isn't there that Yopy? or Yoper or whatever?
gerry: not BS
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thanks to jeremy at Linux Questions. He made a donation today
gerrynjr sun fucked up? how?
they even have a developer platform you can buy
uses a 133mhz powerpc
stock: signed up for a free license... in a promotion
l8r everyone. taking my frayed ends of sanity with me... :P
he will be the sponsor for next weeks sshow
thats a developer PDA
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umm is this... last week show?
and they sent me 2000 of them automatically
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gerrynjr hmmm
JasonPerlow: how much?
JZA: why?
expensive
over 1000 bucks
but it has a lot of stuff in it
I have to go to work. Everyone hang out here in the IRC and have fun
ouch!
I think right now they had last week show
JeffGerhardt: adios
see you all next week
JeffGerhardt: thanks!
Audio just restarted
their target machine is something under 500
thanks Jeff
l8r Jeff
well since I got a Linksys WUSB11 i can use wireless anywhere!
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wooo
anyone listening to the broadcast... is it last week show?
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JeffGerhardt sure, thanks dude! happy new year:)
right now the Qtopia stuff isnt good enough for IBM
nope... this weeks
they want something polished
very hot show
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JasonPerlow: qtopia is polished
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gerry: no it aint
JasonPerlow: it's the most polished pda gui i've ever used
I spent a year trying to convince developers to write software for it
I can assure you, its not polished ENOUGH for IBM
I have wince pdas
I think is last week.. they are gonna talk about the Linux show..
I sat down in meetings with IBM
namaseit: got a Linksys wrt54G
I hate palm pdas
they think its crap
err.. Linux World Expo
well I can't use 801.11g cards
my m100 sucks
linux :)
wireless... but not a wireless device here
yea... that sucks
JasonPerlow: but they made a palm pda, and that sucked
sure
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i have an airport extreme 802.11g
this is G/b
and 802.11b
but the windows integration on palm is great
on qtopia its horrible
so I have 2 apple airports
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ordered a wireless USB keyfob for FRee
they were a friends
JasonPerlow: ah.. your talking about syncing....
windows? oh, that's nice. piece of shit.
and there are otehr major issues, like lack of professional developer tools
802.11b
JasonPerlow: I don't sync
JasonPerlow: I use my Z as a workstation
gonna try to make it work on Linux
the WUSB11 is badass, comes with a 6.5" usb cord
wart: thats who's buying pda's
Just for the challeeng
my bad
6.5'
cool
had it hooked onto the lid of my laptop
well, i'm leaving
linux on a pda will only be very compelling when 1 of 2 things happen
have the BEFCMU10 cable modem
gets great rnage
thanks for the chat guys
1) Wifi hotspots EVERYWHERE
hope this one does
yea
2) high speed wireless internet cellular access EVERYWHERE
got mine off
later gerrynjr
then windows syncing makes no difference
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wireless for now... until get wireless card
for laptop
once you got high speed internet on a PDA, linux makes sense
JasonPerlow: lets hope that McDonald keep opening hotspots.. and u might have No. 1
otherwise its just a me too OS on a PDA
have Linksys WPC11 but its v.4 so it has the Realtek RTL8180L chipset that is closed source
it has nothing compelling to offer right now
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the apps are not of the same quality as palm and CE unfortuantely
JasonPerlow: well at least u can have this chat at ur house infront of the tv on the couch instead infront of the computer...
sure
did i read somewhere inside starbucks a WiFi connection costs about $10,= per hour?
core linux users and power users loved the zaurus
I like the usb wireless cause I can plug it into anything that has usb(old laptop) and it's wirelessly connected
the largest zaurus install was a railroad company
i have 2 laptops and one is old
stock: yeah I heard that... is a... how much would pay?... article
they bought 2000 units
CTX
the other is less than 6 months old
HP
they replaced an application on a notebook with an app on a zaurus
JasonPerlow: dunno, that Zaurus CL looks much bettter than a palm.. or CE
gave it to all their field engieers
one of mine is an old apple powerbook running YellowDog
they had an application that ran in python
I know someone that did that, but they put gentoo on it
pyQT
cool
so they used it to diagnose all teh railroad switching systems in teh field
for those kinds of vertical apps linux is great
iv'e been playing with PyQT
Gentoo crapped out on the install here... went with SuSE / Mandrake 10 / Mandrake 9.2
just lately
on my ex box
JZA well i'd say its the wrong appraoch : sell a monthly subscription for $10,= a month, and have ppl drink your c0ffee and beverages at normal prices , just get the WiFi connected crowd inside
nobody cares about the PIM applications and crap like that
but corporate and end users want good pim software and good sync with windows
Linux sucks at that now
yea
thats why sharp tried to change focus to enterprise
sometimes windows sucks at it too
but they dont have their new unit out yet
with bluescreens galore
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*sometimes*? :)
ok...all the time
MGA: yeah, but linux needs a lot of help in the PDA integration with desktop department
they do
as a stand alone unit though running field applications its excellent
I mean you can ssh from your zaurus
hell you can run apache and php on it
Maybe Motorola and Cellphone integration will help that
I used it to remote admin egullet.com
JasonPerlow: PDA should have phone plugged so is usable
with mysql lite
I cant wait for a Zaurus-Cell phone integration
JZA... yea
JZA: motorola is working on it
give it six months
JZA motorola is working on Linux Cellphones... but not PDA
however I assure you IBM has lots of stuff up its sleeve
Somebody mentioned you can communicate with a cell phone via infrared port on the Zaurus.
good
give it a year or two and they will have some amazing stuff
what happened to the windows ce mobile phones? last thing i read, was that caller-id was malfunctioning.
JZA: soon there won't be a diference
NTT DoCoMo is also working on Linux Cellphones and DoCoMo have Video Cellphones
so hey.. :)
stock: TMobile has a few coming out
first generation ones were not so good
new units are supposed to be better
stock: they kept calling MS homebase. No one knows why :)
arent they always..
JeffGerhardt: what about posting IRC chat archives on the site?
they'll be linux cellphones this year
JasonPerlow here's in holland Orange is offering a subscription with free of charge SMS ... very very attractive, but you wind up with windows ce phone.
I'll email you
most of them in europe though
i have free sms
europe and asia will be the beta test for the US market
let them have the headaches
namaseit who's offering that?
AT&T
but they suck
hmm
:)
I don't know what plan I have
BTW you can get very, very good deals on older zauruses now
like the 5500
well, good night all you geeky geeks
yah 5500 is cheap
the 5500 is still an excellent machine
i need mah booty sleep
namaseit hehe kepped calling to Redmond??!?!? :)
lol :)
get it used for under 200
warthawg: nite
I still use mine religiously
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but dont run the sharp software on it
use openzaurus.org
If I went anywhere I would buy a zaurus
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but until I ship out for boot camp I don't have anything to do
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how about bluetooth hookup to your pc/laptop?
Bluetooth is too limited
mobile phone/PDA i mean
bluetooth is rough
was'nt bluetooth to be everywhere?
and expensive
its good if you have hardware that is compatible and certified
namaseit well 10 meters is enough i would say, for such purposes
my buddy uses it with his palm and his nokia phone
beats irda for sure
it works, but its quirky
i would stick with IR for phone. even crappy ones come with it
JasonPerlow: Which version of OZ u running?
MGALUG bluetooth won't pass the 10 meter (4 yards) limit i would say...
or am i mistaking here
phantom: 3.2, I think
been a while since I upgraded it
theres also TKCrom with all TheKompany apps on it
supposed to be decent
Im torn on theKompany.com
JasonPerlow: 3.3.5 here. Santa just brought me my 5500 and I love it. But I must say Opera is a disappointment.
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I hate them, yet I like them
yeah Konqueror is much better
hmm interview : "Paul Mockapetris On The Future of DNS" on /.
PhantomsDad, you can put konq on it
one to read
JasonPerlow: Really, I thought Konq was "rough".
it works good
stock: yah I read that one
i dont really browse on my Z
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primarily use it for email access and IM
namaseit i just cam home, when show was in progress :(
my 5500 is serial number 10
JasonPerlow: OK, will give it a try. Opera was supposed to do a great job of sizing websites to the small screen, but it doesn't really seem to do that very well. I use elinks instead.
came even
I've beaten the hell out if it
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my screen is kinda messed up a little
I need to get a new unit
welll.. night all
I'm hoping the new HP gets a Openzaurus port soon
the new HP with the keyboard
later mga
I really want a pda to come with usb *in* it, not just usb hook-up
yeah USB hosting is cool but it requires a lot of power
JasonPerlow: The Z 7000 and 8000 series are interesting with the 640x480 screen, but expensive.

12.23.2003 irc

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 however, it does not support the really old cirrus logic graphic cards

 NZheretic: got 2.6 running yet?

 I've got 2.6 going, I need to re-compile, missed the PC speaker and my beeps are missing.

 I dont have 2.6.0 running yet, just 2.6.0-test11

 the one thing that makes mepis different then knoppix is that it has got a icon on the desktop (in demo mode) that launches a fully automated installation script. it even has a disk partitioner / formater

 MGALUG : Waiting for new year.

 anyone got it going on Mandrake?

 yea...me too

 my mail server/web server is running test10

 just got my warranty replacement 160GB maxtor back ...installed tonight

 i would upgrade but don't want to kill my uptime :)

 but need new case

 then I

 will consider 2.6

 my western digital 120 gig is starting to crap out on me

 piece of crud

 thank goodness for 3 year manufacturer warranty cause I definately will need it

 I have several of those WD 120s at work... no probs yet.. kow

 i stay away from western digital & maxtor hard drives. they are worthless

 well I wish I had bought the 120 maxtor cause they *were* cheaper at the time and plus, I prefer maxtor

 seagate drives are the way to go

 bought the 120 gig WD for its 8mb cache

 mind crapped out after only 2 months

 $80 from Staples

 hello MGALUG

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 chrisb: hello...  had vision of the thing crapping out on my just 2 weeks prior to it tanking

 actually, all hardware is a freaking crap shoot. Come on lucky number 7

<-- asaone has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.1)  backed up to one of my work removable drives... whew

 photos, music, important stuff was on that drive

 Eyecon:  Sorry got distracted... yes my wife does use windows well, but she does not know computers technically very well...

 had the click of death.

 yah well I have had my hard drive go bad so many times I learned quickly if its important back it up another machine

 mine is using Linux now... kinda forced her into it

 think this one got too hot

 yah

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 was in the top corner of my case...

 I had a maxtor 30 gig single platter hd that went bad from heat

 had cooling turbo fan, but it was not enough

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 lol, I think I have it working

 the 80GB maxtor I got from the Dumpster.... yea, dumpster still working

 Sorry for the intrusion, but Largo Florida is NOT moving to Ximain. They are evalutating it! But they haven't done anything yet.

 fine

 SO there is no show tonight?

 the best investment you can do for your box is to get a cd burner & do constant backups of your files every week

 nope

* viking667 wants an 8Gb that actually WORKS!!!

 There is one, just not one done tonight. :-)

 that would be nice to have too

 I'd be EXCEPTIONALLY happy to get bigger than this, of course.

 8GB drive ..

 well on my mail server I have 2 harddrives, main one and second with backups. I have a php script that backs up '/home' at 12:00 morning and noon.

 newbie:  How about a 40 GB tape... and backup daily...

 http://madpenguins.net/log.php

 MGALUG: well, my biggest is a 4Gb Quantum Bigfoot...

 those were workhorses

 still are

 My next biggest is a 3.4Gb Maxtor, which has performed flawlessly

 I had a 15 maxtor that worked for years until the pins fell out lol

 I thing the more they cram into these things the more likely they will tank

 MGALUG: if they ever get bad sectors, it's time to consider retiring them, but until then, they're pretty good.

 still have a 10 gig maxtor that runs perfectly

 you may want to considder getting seagate drives

 mine got fat bread errors 2weeks prior to tanking

 have a 15 gig maxtor that is still running

 Errr, no thanks. I'he had two that have died - horribly.

 One a U8 (8Gb)

 I usually regard Western DIgital as reliable, but I once had a WD drive fail 2 days out of the static bag.  Worst timing, just migrated data and was booting to back up when, CLUNK!

 I've got multiple 2-10GB drives ...some work ...others have not even tested

 and the other was another U-job, I'm not sure of its size - 2Gb, I think

 from Dumpster

 what happened, what killed them

 Question on another topic:  Has anyone bought the tablet PC from Element Computing???  What did you think??

 I have tons of 500mb western digital and a couple toshibas

 and 3 2gb WD's

 an 8gb WD and a 6gb WD

 One thing I'd LOVE to do is to get a rotating set of CD-RW blanks going...

 lol

 no thanks

 too expensive

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 However, at the moment, I don't even have a burner...

 too unreliable

 that too

 i wish i could afford a new laptop, i would definetly buy it off of element computing

 cd-rw's go bad faster then they should

 yup

 The reason why the rw is because you buy them once, then you don't have to buy again for at least a hundred burns or so...

 heh yah my laptop is only like 5 or 6 months old

 HPze4325us

 that's quite new

 Someone told me they're rated for at least 10k burns, but I don't know if I believe that until I see one DO it.

 what distro?

 I've been looking into DVD-RWs because CDs are just not up for the job any more.  SIckening when you think about it.

 newbie:  yes... I have not purchased one... but it looks nice.  I'd like a tablet that I can betwork via wireless...

 XP2000+, 40gb hd, 512ram, 15" screen, DVD/CD-RW

 the only laptop i own is a old ibm 560 (133 mhz)

 well I use slackware on my laptop

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 actually on everything

 mwg: check the reviews prior to purchase...

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<-- tim-qcy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)  there are some good priced DVD-+RW, but those do have their share of problems

 morphix is cool

 but I'm not liking debian so slackware will go back on my laptop soon

 MGALUG:  The drives or the media?

 both

 let me know what you think about morphix

 morphix is good

 im using the lite version with xfce4

 Video friend of mine swears by TDK discs

 One way around the problem is buy three media, do the same backup job to all three...

 i like xfce4 cause it uses like <=20 megs ram  One concern I have about tablets is performance ... I have a freind that has one that runs Windoze that he does not like the performance.

 I am running Lindows 4.5 (debian) and my laptob and works fine

 says that's what LucasArts uses

 MGALUG: Well, I was given a +RW drive, so I guess I'll concentrate on media.

 TDK is the only way to go

 i allready tried veclinux

 I'm using a Sony DVD+RW

 although they smell ass

* viking667 has tdk CDs here - no idea how well they work yet...

 piece of crap..

 TDK or Toshiba might be better

 TDK's dont peel like some do

 MGALUG: Funny you should mention that...

 Lindows is sok

 it is all in the die

 "dye"?

 never speak of lindows in my presence please :)

 dye

 lindows sucks

 the dye dies if it's not right

 it works

 its like paying for free software

 lol

 So if you overburn a disk does it curl up and dye?  :-)

 Mandrake is very nice ... have full network going at home (here)

 all Mdk 9.2

 Lets face it - when you buy Mandrake or Redhat, you're "paying for free software" ...

 mwg: lol

 yah except base mandrake install makes you look like a honey pot waiting to be accessed

 Mdk here... all download editions

 have cox.net highspeed.

 since charter upgraded my dl speed to 2.4 mbbp, i have been downloadin every linux distro i could find

 Mine too - 9.1

 Actually when you buy Redhat and Mandrake your paying for a "Solution"

 nice for updates

 good site norlug

 after trying and using maybe 50 or more distro's from SOL to peanut, slackware is what I have stuck with

 had Mandrake, RedHat got tired of them

 for customized updates

 for Mandrake

 9.2

 all other distros are too slow

 Or perhaps... when you buy Redhat... your paying and paying for a solution...

 I prefer Mandrake/RedHot purely for RPM.

 and slackware's font's rule

 I'm not a Lindows user, but paying for a good repository service makes sense to me.

 rpm is the devil!!!

 urpmi on MDK rocks!

 :)

 you pay for the easy installs

 yea, but he keeps my system running

 And yes, I like urpmi - it's nearly as good as apt-get

 RedHot?  The distro from hell? :-)

 paid nothing... well, the speed issue

 rpms suck, but, urpmi rocks...go figure

 well everybody starts with redhat, but after 7.3 i couldn't stand it

 got Gentoo

 7.3 was last "good" redhat version

 all the rest were slow

 I gave up on Redhat after 6.0 - transferred to TurboLinux 6 for a while, then someone sent me Mandrake 7.2, I've been hooked ever since.

 ... will finally plop in one of those xtra drives and test it in a Dell 750Mhz

 Gentoo, have not tried it but it does seem great for an enthusiast....

 i think i will use mepis when i go to upgrade my box

 heard it's much faster than Redhat or Mandrake as it compiles for the system it is installed on

 Gentoo you MUST have enough room or a compile (especially for X) else it'll be no good.

 yea

 errr, "room FOR a compile ... "

 The great thing... all these distros are pretty good... just think what it was like 5 or 10 years ago...

 speaking of DVD bruning this is a nice use of embedded linux http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/0,,2076_15020036_16603896,00.html

 well when redhat feels slow on an XP1800+, 512ram, ti4200. its time to chunk it

 seven years ago, I was playing with kernel 1.0.9

 was sickening back then, but lots of people did use it

 namaseit: bah.  I work on a Cyrix MII-300 and a K6-II@533MHz

 because it is better than Windose

 newbie: Do u do any development?  I'm wondering about mepis.org and KDE development.

 Basically, the mome memory you can give them, the faster they'll "feel" to a certain point.

 well with AMD hardware so cheap, no reason not to upgrade.

 anything is better than windows

 I can't spell for peanuts, sorry...

 uhmmm - there is when I've GOT no money to upgrade WITH.

 well slackware "feels" tons faster then any other system i've tried

 Can you spell for walnuts?

 What's the story with AMD -- is the Optron really going to be a good desktop system for Linux?

 And no, I can't stroll the streets - already married.

 did anyone here fill out that survey that microsoft was asking linux users to fill out?

 newbie: .....huh?

 there's another opteron thats like half the price, its only got 512 L2 cache but hey im not complaining

 lol

 hell no

 Didn't even register on the radar...

 the article is on osdn.net

 ohhhhhhh.

 but read responses on slashdot

 newbie:yah lol, i said "theres no one feature that could make me switch to windows"

 That's why I didn't see it - I haven't been to osdn for ages.

 survey:  was that for real?

 yea

 yah

 some engineer put it up

 another way to try and spread FUD

 it was not even hosted on a microsoft domain

 from within hell...er...microsoft

 spawn of satan....

 satan is not deserving of that title

 heh - one way to get authoritative SOA records, huh?

 stolen from Unix

 lol

 namaseit: lol

 Come to think of it, I'm SURE I've seen some GPL notice in there somewhere...

 what's that site where Bill gatez is the Antichrist?

 don't know theres too many where he is that

 lol

 sure it

 http://www.microsoft.com

 i wonder if microsoft aint running some hacked up SCO code in their OS

 Got to go... happy holidays all...

 same

 to ya

 same here

 Bye roblnx.

 What scares me is: MS bought a SCO license, right? What if MS fund SCO's defense, or, worse still, BUY sco and pursue the case?

 well im glad nvidia gave us a holiday present hehe :)

 yea

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 Well I would but desktop HD is crapped right now :|

 version 5328

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3647313623&category=4619

 namaseit: I'm following thread over in kde-devel about how nvidia installer overwrites GLU libraries and fouls things up.  Watch out.

 I know it'd be pretty unlikely, given the "anticompetition" and all that, but ...

 ouch

 hey wait, does the new driver run on 2.6?

 yeouch

 i beleive the reason that microsoft refuses to reveil their source code is because of the hacked (stolen) code they are using

 or do you still have to do minion.de patch?

 Problem seems to be  libGl.so.

 newbie: naw they are just so huge and bloated that they can't and won't change their ways, too many hands in their company

 Actually, someone ought to do a bit of code analysis as to what the MS compilers put out for typical code, match that up against typical asm from other operating systems...

 You'd only pick up the simple stuff, but hey...

 if you made billions off of doing something one way would you change?

 where's that kde-devel site

 MGALUG: irc.kde.org#kde-devel

 10-4

 didn't know they had an irc server, huh

 then again who doesn't

 namaseit: Actually, its freenode.

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 that sounds like a worthy project, create a open source compiler / viewer just to read the source code for microsofts os

* viking667 tinkers with the idea of plugging the second screen in, and "managing" wendows from the "other" machine...

 newbie: yah until they slap the DMCA on you : newbie: uh uh - you'd have to be exceptionally good to unwind asm to C/C++

 plus its not like java

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 oh wait but its just VBScript!!!

 Bullshit.

 :)

 hey you don't know :)

 it could be :)

 naw I know it's not

 i just thought i would suggest that

 So that means that CMD.EXE is just a VBScript Interpreter? HAH!  No WONDER it's so slow!

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 I need to get K3B

 has anyone tried the helix client yet?

 Realaudio you mean?

 yes

 yea

 works fine here

 does it work?

 just make sure you put in the Version 9 codecs

 yah it works fine

 do i need to uninstall realplayer 8 before installing it

 not personally fond of real but eh

 nice christmas present too

 it should install in RP8's directory

 see that is a problem, what do you ask for, for the holidays when I have all need from free software?

 but good ide to dump it first

 lol

 good hard drives

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 namaseit: Yea, my wife asked me if I wanted any software and I couldn't think of ONE thing!

 already got cable modem

 Linksys here

 I would like a new monitor, but the one i want is $350

 got both router and modem for $65 total

 does it matter what kernal & gcc compiler i use to install it?

 after rebates

 I have a 21" Sun monitor but I don't like it

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 19 dell.. trinitron here

 whoops - pulled the modem plug out when I was plugging in the ninth monitor - sheesh.

 friend gave it to me this year

 got a $50 D-Link gateway for $10 at a garage sale brand new!

 9th... lol

 sweet

 I've ot a 17" Samsung flat screen.  Another freebie from my crazy friend.

 ewps - that was meant to be 2nd monitor

 should be some of those around here with the local Tobacco company going south

 i had dual 21" Sun monitors but sold one for $100 more then I paid for it and bought other stuff

 good yard sales that is

 i find my monitors on the trash & fix them

 newbie: should work on pretty much any 2.4x kernel...

 I want a 23" flat panel hehe :)

 $1200 ?

 ???

 23" flat panel = $$$ ~1000 - 1200?

 no

 i think more lik 2200-3000

 yikes

 could get a widescreen tv for that

 lcd 33"

 startkde: Starting up

 well isn't sony supposed to be coming out with those $1000 big screen flat panel tv's?

 i think it will be a few years before i get a flat pannel

 me too

 would like faster computer

 I don't watch or like tv enough to buy one of those

 same here, mines a 333 mhz

 My only problem is: I don't think I can have a X server on one screen, AND a console on the other VGA card at the same time, can I?

 1Ghz & 700+ MB ram is too slow

 no

 viking667, nope

 viking667, what vid card?

 you could just have extended desktop and open multiple xterm or konsole's

 mgalug 1ghz to slow???

 on the second monitor

 to compile, listen to music Shoutcasted from god know where, scan documents, read email, rip/burn cds - one of those is likely to fail on me

 when you are doing multiple tasks.

 hmmm, I've never had a problem doing more then that on my 1.533

 i can do multiple task on this 333

 and have /home/user for each of my other 3 system hosted on this system...yea

 me too...just slows down for some critical tasks like CD burning

 Two VGA cards - one a ET6000, the other a CyberBlade/i7

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 i run my cd burning as root, while i do my other task in my normal user mode

 141 procs

 And I don't know how to make them both behave like the same "screen" -

 gimp, kmail, konqueror with 50+ tabs open, noatun, compile kernel, compile mplayer, compile lisad, qtdesigner, kdevelope. I think that is second to the most multitasking i have had going on.

 so far, I have :0.0 and :0.1

 So far I've only had to take care when using the DVD burner.  My burn speed tops out at 10x for CDs, and I'm still working on the software to burn DVDs.  Need more backup.

 me too... but still slows system if doing all the other . kopete

 burn at 40x here

 mwg, what burining software you use

 i get my laptops cd burning of 24x fully

 WIth a 733MHz coppermine I have limits.  :-)

 I use k3b at work for DVD burning

 1ghz is athlon

 mine

 i use gcombust

 namaseit: cdrecord.

 i use k3b

 : cdrecord for isos

 check out this linux embeded pro DVD recorder editer

 you can use k3b for isos

 http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/0,,2076_15020036_16603896,00.html

 i sometimes use cdrecord

 in fact

 k3b does bin/cue

 yea... but cdrecord is sometimes faster

 for isos

 :-|

 could depend on hard drive and system

 less X overhead

 i suppose

 hdparm optimized 8mb cache drive at 7200rpm

 I want one

 I've had the combination of cdparanoia and cdrecord produce travel copies of CDs that the comnputer cannot tell from the original. (CD lookup works.)

 heh

 and connected at 133mhz bus

 SATA drives are getting cheap now

 finally

 everything is

 nope...scanners have gone up

 in fact i actually have 2 amd XP mobos doing nothing

 only thing I have noticed... aside from MS software

 I could use a cheap 1GB+ USb keyfob.

 I had to get cdrdao 1.1.8-pre2 in order to quit using ide-scsi

 ones a shuttle that I got for $45 and it has usb2, firewire, onboard lan/sound. The works.

 and its a KT400 chipset

 so AGP8x

 as well

 Except for the DVD drive, my burners are SCSI, so I haven't had much of a problem.

 chrisb: What distro u running?  I'm RH9.

 for $45 i had to grab it

 debian unstable

* PhantomsDad looked for an updated cdrdao but couldn't find one for RedHat.

 namaseit where did you get it ... if I might ask?

 newegg.com

 recently?

 like a month or two ago

 : cool

 And it was the highest rated "cheap" board

 PhantomsDad I think I had to grab cdrdao from CVS

 I only buy my stuff from http://www.newegg.com

 I have ordered so much, I literally am friends with the Fed-Ex guy

 http://www.tcwo.com is ok

 http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=2171

 I bought from there back along time ago, but I found newegg and never gone back to any others

 chrisb: Yea, guess I could do that.  I'd pay a subscription fee for a good, up-to-date repository service.

 plus I *alwasy* get my stuff in 2 days cause its only 1 state away

 most any local big store where I can get rebates...

 tcwo is just a few miles from me so I go pick up from there

 yah

 yeah it sure would make things easier

 slickdeals has good rebates posted...most of the time

 newegg is down in Industry, CA and im in Springfield, OR

 like the 120GB drives for $30 ...worked for a friend of mine last weekend

 same friend loves to buy newegg stuff

 circuit city had 80gb WD's for $40 after mail-in rebate/auto rebate

 thought about it but had no cash

 always need a spare hd around :)

 I have used newegg to get some inkjet  DVD's

 I like the one where some 160GBs were actually packaged 200GB discs... that'd be a nice surprise for $80

 I know some kid who has a terabyte of HD space in his desktop system

 awesome...full of music no doubt

 almost as bad as me

 but he's a windows user so he kinda needs it :)

 lol

 yea

 mostly movies actually

 like every single one you can think of almost

 cool

 I have 2 120gb internal and a 160, and an 80 gb firewire drives

 but I told him to use linux and encode them himself

 does he have any Speedy Gonzoles movies?

 ???

 your friend

 but I use them for film editing and dvd creation

 with TB of space

 don't talk to him much, he's kind of one of those "I know computers" but he doesn't

 type people

 yup

 Good night all.  Have a merry X-mas.

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 adios phant

 spoiled...

 basicly

 I have 200gb in my desktop

 80gb maxtor and 120 WD

 240GB here

 200 at work

 80gb I moved to an external usb 2.0 housing

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 i thought, why pay for 128meg or 256 meg usb-pen when I can move 80GB to a usb housing

 those 1gb usb-pens are $200+

 crazy

 I've got an Archos I use for that kind of transfer

 20GB

 music mostly... data sometimes

 well i kind of want a 256meg usb-pen to put on a bootable distro and use it as a rescue thing

 I am looking into the Archos 40 for mepg 4 video

 ...there.  Resized to ALMOST 160x64 under KDE...

 why?

 lol

 transport

 what is at 160x64?

 asaone: where would you get it at?

 you're all on my twin server at the moment.

 not Circuit $$itty i hope

 err, at least, all these programs are...

 have you seen that new linux distro called "puppy linux" that fits on a usb pen drive? i saw it on distrowatch this morning

 oh yah

 i just had bad experience with them

 Had to resize the twdisplay so it would capture all of my text screen.

 no i didn't see that distro

 sounds interesting, even tho the name sounds retarded

 I can't remember where I saw them, either tigerdirect or cdw

 damnsmall should be able to do that

 it was listed on distrowatch thismorning

 yah damnsmall is nice

 Now I just have to "set" plastic to using utc for itself, instead of localtime.

 wait, viking667 are you just using 1 desktop streatched across 2 monitors or like 1 desktop 2 monitors, 2 seperate areas?

 namaseit: I use like 1 desktop 2 monitors, 2 seperate areas at work

 using Nvidia 128 xForce card... nice to work on

 do you use two mice two?

 ti4200 for me

 nope...just one

 im thinking of getting 5600fx maybe cause they are cheap now

 I have the ti4200 in my laptop

 what?

 what brand?

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 you sure it's not the fx5600 mobile?

 i've lots with that

 seen^

 does anyone here have any experiance with the ATI rage 128 pro cards? are they well supported

 as supported as a crap card can be :)

 nothing ATI is well supported

 I have one or two yes

 mine has the ti 4200 with 64mb

 huh

 just look at what Nvidia is doing ... good stuff, though taints kernel

 and hoses GLU libs

 2 ati rage 128's, 440mx 64meg, ti4200 128meg, geforce2 mx400 32meg. all the vid cards I own

 i wont be using the card for gaming, i just want to know if it works well in linux

 but my kids can play Tuxracer ... makes me smile.

 newbie, yah it works perfectly

 :-)

 ok, thanx

 growing up Linux learned...

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 i play frozen-bubble on my laptop

 speaking of those rascals, gotta get to bed...long day tomorrow.

 they love frozen bubble

 it has a piece of shit ATI IGP320

 and I am happy, lol

 yah I would be too

 :)

 like the music with frozen bubbles

 i'd be play NWN:HotU and RTCW:ET

 gets on your nerves after 3 hours

 if I had ti4200 on my laptop

 tuxracer music does too.

 especially using Wherever-racer

 version

 you ever play frozen bubble 2 player?

 I do have the original RTCW

 nope

 its so much fun

 can now though... gotta try it tomorrow

 well, its getting past my bedtime, i will join in next week while listening to the linuxshow

 I'm too good though cause my friends just cuss at me now and don't play

 now that I have a network

 goodnight yall

 at home

 adios

 night

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 I better head out as well, got lots of nothing to do now and tomorrow

 well, I think I will head out too.

 I have to go too I am behind in my editing

 night all...next week

 editing?

 night all

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yup
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http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/16/2135206
[the newsforge article covering it. feel free to vent there. :]
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after reading these forbes "articles", I really don't see why it's considered a Big Finance Magazine.
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hello
Add John Carroll to the Dildo, Enderle, and Lyons list
What's the 6,000 year old sex thing about?
Hello Jeff.
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do you guys actually think a 54 year old grandma would be right into linux?
seems suspect to me
hey Jeff
no its just a funny story
lol
go read it
It's link is broke Jeff
its a hoot
heya, jeff
Maybe, My Grandad was 63 When he learned to program in C
I'll google it and see if I can find the story.
* jdub sees his irc log light up with highlights
JeffGerhardt: hi, i don't have dial-in details yet :-)
if you read her Groklaw postings, you'll believe it.
ah, found it: http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3717283&p1=0
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so anyone else buy NWN:HotU?
jdub> you do now. I did not get your email until after I had already sent out the info. I sort of presumed that it would get forwarded
Namaseit : I'm still too busy playing the freeware RTCW:ET
well dont buy it
test it now
Bioware is being a bunch of bastards
not releasing any binaries for linux
JeffGerhardt: aha. ;-) thanks
but yah ET rules
btw
do you know why there seems to be like 1/10 as many servers listing?
yeah, ET is great :)
we are once again looking for mirror sites
or is it just me?
JeffGerhardt: how much bandwidth do you guys go through for the archived shows?
need one on UK, one in NZ, one in AU
ohh.. an NZ/AU mirror would be sweet :)
JeffGerhardt: jason andrade
JeffGerhardt: get in touch with jason
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Blueyonder does a lot of Linux mirroring ( Including Debian ) in the UK
everyone see about userlinux? gnome only!
jdub I hate to ask but could you contact him. I hate introducing myself to people who have no idea who I am or what TLS is
JeffGerhardt: heh, sure.
t minus 35
Namaseit: wheres the problem? :P
well
not even including qt library is kind of a problem
* jdub is sure that will come up in the show.
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I see it as it's only going to hurt the users of "UserLinux"
who knows where KDE *or* Gnome will be in a year.
* segfault passes Namaseit a sense of humour
:)
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;-)
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yah, im sure we'll see some bloodshed on tonights show hehe
or rather in here during the show
why is that?
well, maybe not
I think the problem is not so much in picking Gnome but not providing the Libs means dependancy hell for the Users. Its bad enough without delibratley making it more difficult
it shouldn't be dep hell if it uses apt
But the KDE/Qt stuff won't be available through APT if its not in the distro at all.
which it is debian
well Bruce said it would
but who knows at this point
UserLinux is just paper right now
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evening
leonscape: just point apt to some kde/qt packages
hmmm as i was wanting to read the linuxgazette, which one should i select???? .com .org or .net ?
.net
Namaseit i thought so, but ... ehhh... wtf is going on ??
.com wants .net to stop using linuxgazette name
segfault: but isn't that the point of UserLinux to make it easier? messing with background source list kinda defeats the object of the Distro
Namaseit so basicly a name quarrel?
well i think instead of choosing one, they should unit them, but eh.
yah
Namaseit cough
.com says its theirs and no one else can use it
Namaseit so ehh who are the orginal founders of linuxgazette? .com or .net?
leonscape: isn't it going to be easier for a non-linux user if they don't have to choose what desktop they want?
my grandma has no idea what the difference is between KDE and GNOME
t minus 27
but the point of UserLinux isn't for regular users like mom and pop, its for businesses
thats what Bruce keeps saying
Namaseit i thought its the ppl of linuxgazette.net
yah its .net
degfault: thats fine. Thats not the problem I forsee, The problem I think will be when they come to try and install other software. Picking one or the other is fine.
we are already $200 toward our goal for the hybrid
JeffGerhardt: nice! we just need a bunch more money ;-)
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"that s what bruce said" is not a reason or motivation for anything
Namaseit so basicly SSC bookstores is playing a nasty legal game then? do they have any rights then?
good day all
I just think ultimately it hurts the users, depriving them of features of KDE that might suit them better or make their experience better.
but hey, doesn't matter to me. I'm not going to be using UserLinux
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yeah, nobody is forcing you to use it
if there were no users to userlinux what would they call it?
SSC says that the linuxgazetter rights were transferred to them, but the others don't agree
LinuxOne
i'm sticking with Debian. I have no reason to switch.
I'll stay with Slackware
:)
hehe
I'll stick to gentoo
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btw, if you haven't read this months *real* linuxgazette, you will notice it is a much better read than it has been for many months. I'm kind of glad they made the switch to the new site.
Namaseit:Me too, and XFCE
:D
Namaseit basicly its : the papertrail says SCC is owner, but the founders disagreed and started linuxgazette.net instead
?
gentoo is nice but I dont like dependency checking cause it screws stuff up
such as?
SSC even
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well you get a package with 3 dependencies, those each have 2, then one package is broken in the chain and the whole system is fubar.
Namaseit: can't say I've had any screwups yet
*yet*
:)
phil hughes does nothing without a contract
what do you mean by broken?
or written documentation
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this is a silly ego motivated pissing contest that will benefit few in the long run
it's a big ado about nothing. One or the other will switch to another name and that'll be the end of it.
JeffGerhardt so even the papertrail (if there's any) doesn't empower SSC to own linuxgazette?
meldroc: yeha, pretty much
not handled properly, you'll have system libs trying to find each other but they were never installed because their chain of dependency was broken
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hey people here already thats good
lo Jzarecta
Jzarecta its gonna be even more crowded i assume
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Namaseit: its not really limited to gentoo, is it
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look even Arne /joined
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great, so Gnome 2.4 today yeeaaay
stock -- what did you expect?
I still havent been able to get the damn thing to work on my mandrake 9.2 though
well with auto-dependency checking it increases your chances by about 500%
anyway, Xfce4 keeps me happy enough
Arne JZA was astonished to find 30 ppl in here 20 mins before the show :)
* Arne uses E
xfce4 on my laptop right now
even though my laptop is faster then my desktop, lol
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stock: yeah this channel is comming more of a lounge for all of us
Arne BTW what happened to thelinuxshow@ mailinglist? does it still work?
rehi David
stupid ancient laptop
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man, I need caffeine
XP2000+, 512mb ram, 40gig hd. Crappy vid card though
stupid ATI IGP320
Anyone care to comment on the results from the Information Society Summit in Geneva and it's Outcome
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Who's responsible for this music playing? Pump on some dream theater. ;)
heh
No whining about the music is allowed... ;-)
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JZA i guess the ID cards with conceiled RFID tags are becoming collectors items :)
jza: not sufficient info yet to comment
jeremy: feel free to supply some royalty free music :)
Toh-GAH!
Toh-GAH!
yah no kiding
maybe we should invite LPI guys again to tell us what up over there
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fwiw, I've heard rumors that HP will be shipping Linux Laptops. Only certain models, but still....
yah, their gonna be crappy laptops im sure
Trelane: which countries? :)
Trelane -- That's *huge* news.... Where did you hear that....
i just want freaking broadcom drivers
Hi kids!
and RTL8180L drivers
* Trelane coughs
It's a Rumour
stupid realtek makes crap drivers for linux so we can't use it anyways
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I cite no sources.
Hello Arne, ~Zeke
broadcom..
I'm running an ATI AIW 7500. Drivers are cutting edge. Not everything works... Pshaw!!!
freaking morons compiled against redhat kernel instead of vanilla
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IIRC, they're only certifying right now, shipping maybe later 2004
so don't say nuffin' 'till it's official
Question: Has anybody tried the new Xandros Version 2?
nope
t minus 15
lol
who is spartacus?
we are once again looking for mirror sites
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we should make a perl script that is a countdown timer to the show
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to display it every 5 minutes in here
Xandro looks too much like Window to waste the time
segfault: I am SPARTACUS!
SPARTACUS! who?
:)
I am spartucus
well I don't hate Xandros. they are just doing their thing. Doesn't mean I have to use it
no, we should make a python script to do that.
eh whatever gets the job done
jaye: Spartacus is me :-)
*agrees with Namaseit*
awwww, can't we even have a teensy religious war to pass the time?
really teeeensy?
KDE IS BETTER!!!!!! BOW DOWN!!!
there happy???
HITLER USED KDE!
JeffGerhard : In the case of a relative of Sadam - He is sparticus ( can I have that 25Million now ?)
damn right
OK, Godwin's law invoked. Religious war done.
er
Thankyou. :)
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lol
What's to be happy about? KDE is better!
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KDE rocks
programmatically I think kde framework and qt is better
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i like KDE better... GNOME is also not bad... however QT is the difference i would say
but thats just me
KDE as too much bloat but i like it
GObject is a pain in the arse
Sadam hussein use KDE but Bush uses Windows ME
technically KDE has gotten much smaller from release to release
KDE may be a chunka bloat, but it's less than GNOME (with Nautilus)
however key apps in KDE desktop are still OpenOffice, GAIM , etc. :)
there is a link on the site on how to set up a mirror
Namaseit : TEchnically QT still sufferes from being C++ based. C is better for providing a plaform framwork for Unix.
gnucash etc. :)
C++ is better for designing guis
stock: I am curious about that kde utility to sync the cellphone
thankfully OOo is better the Kate and all the others
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object oriented programming owns joo :)
Namaseit: C++ is just another language
t minus 10
jeff: 10 minutes?
7 to webley
OOo reign supreme
yes but when things are objects its easy to manage things and reuse them
JZA: It's probably just a front end to Multi-sync.
I second that - JZA
JZA i never tried these things... yet :)
Namaseit: OO is a methodology, not a language feature
:\
You can do OO in on MSBasic.
s/on/old/
how come all the KDE people turn up on the day we have GNOME on TLS? :)
sjohnson -- Argggh!!!! MSBASIC???? Who uses that????
i really wonder what that Java Desktop System from Sun is all about... someone told me its just plain Linux... Sun is exploiting the Java name here?
im here every week :)
stock: it's just a branding exercise
segfault : Ask Bruce.
stock: it's suse + gnome
If Bush uses win ME and Saddam uses KDE than what do they type their propaganda with?
* Arne wants an MSBASIC emulator for Linux so that I can run all the *good* code.... hehehe
JDS is just Gnome
NZheretic: what has bruce got to do with it?
nothing else
Arne: I do occasionally. I switch on my old TRS-80 model I :)
stock: (plus some other fancy sun things)
poprun. bbiab
jdub SuSE+Gnome? hmm ain't that the _turf_ of Novell???
http://www.userlinux.com/GUI.html
stock: Libranet + Enlightenment - thanks to Arne
quasarkitten WMDE
sjohnson -- It's no Applesoft BASIC, though.
stock: yes, this has presented a teeny little problem for sun. :-)
heehee
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hmmm
novell now own the base os of jds
there is a StarBasic
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isn't sun thinking about using another distro? I heard something about that. Like a distro that isn't commercially owned by any company
I currently much prefer the abiword/gnumeric line up to OOo's line up.
hi folks
Arne: True. But it's what I cut my teeth on WRT higher level languages.
vi baby :)
Namaseit: it's all up in the air. they may continue using suse.
jdub big Corporations are beating each other to "death" using software tools downloadable from the Internet??
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sjohnson -- just some friendly leg-pulling... ;-)
new religious war....vi or emacs?
stock: they're cooperating and competing. enter freedom. :-)
emacs
emacs
emacs
heh :)
nano
as an editor or operating system?
nano is for wimps :)
hehe
pico
I use cat(1) myself
Arbiter -- rotflmao
ed
no I hate nano cause it word wraps, same for pico
how about elvis :)
because ed is the editor
Arne: I know. The Trash 80 was a tremdendous upgrade from my previous programming method. Hand-coding machine instructions.
:)
Namaseit: nano -w filename
too much
t minus 5
Namaseit: its not *that* hard, come on
2 minutes to webley
Give me a DEC System-10 any day...
yes it is
well i suppose you could alias it
;)
yup
was just gonna suggest that :)
geez look at all that news url's on the website... is time flying at the pace of light?
5 MINUTES TO SHOW TIME!
* sjohnson wonders if he could fit a TCP/IP stack in 4K of RAM?
hehe
there has to be a way
anyone teach elementary / jr high here?
im sure
actually im just learning tcp/ip sockets and stuff
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http://kswaret.sourceforge.net
not advertising or anything
nano, as compared to vi*, is annoying because it makes any non-trivial edit feel like work :)
just a project im working on
Arne DEC system 10? pdp10 you mean?
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is swaret the Slack package installer?
sorta
pkgtool is really
Arne or pdp11/10 ?
What's swaret?
swaret is a network util like apt-get for slackware packages
http://www.swaret.org
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Will it resolve dependencies?
hi fedoraguy
T - 10?
jose: yes
JeffGerhardt : I have the SOLUTION to the bandwith problem P2P !!!!
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http://www.peercast.org/
Finally, will it work with Vector Linux?
:\
dont know
vector use pkg's?
I think I'm asking for the "free beer" hat for Christmas.
er .tgz packages
Yes, it is based on Slack
oh
Arbiter: they look pretty nice :)
well then I dont see why not
1 minute
<--- shaves his head, needs to wear hats all the time anyway
Arbiter -- Is the beer free, or is the free beer hat free?
I'll have to give it a shot
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I believe the hat is free insofar as I am free to wear it when and where I choose.
Xinu was started on on October 3rd, 1977
it is not free of charge
;)
so when was Unix started?
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meep meep
stock: ask SCO
Welcome, everybody, to The Linux Show IRC. Show will begin in a couple of minutes.
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and what do these 2 names have with each other?
hi Arne
* viking667 waves over to the other NZer
Hi all.
WOW We are already 54
great
hi back
Download http://www.peercast.org/ and run the peercast server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast
rehi everybody.
Ask SCO--hahahhaaha, that's a knee slapper!
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Enter http://church.ibssnet.com:8000/linuxlive.mp3
I can't believe it' but I just decided to print out SCO's case vs. IBM, exhibits and all...
eeesh.
Who is playing? You need to plug the artists
stock: xinu is not unix is not xinu? or something.
viking667: I'm an NZ'er too :)
so why was Xinu even started? which one was first? Xine or Unix? or are UNIX Admins pretty silent about that one?
/query Darl so Darl, when exactly was UNIX created?
that'll be a few trees
McGurk: Yes would be my guess
:)
s/Xine/Xinu?
***** We're BACK!! *****
Yes'ish
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WOOHOO
:)
kde3.2-beta2 is totally sweet
* windowsrefund prebuffers
i know im running it on my desktop :)
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we're back! :)
Namaseit: ibiblio?
say what?
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what happened ot the linuxshow mailinglist?
hello?
yay! Made it in time!
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Are you using ibiblio as you mirror? I am, I think theres lag.
I still have KDE 3.0 running on my desktop - lol
GNOME 2.5.1 is really sweet too :)
mirror for? the kswaret site?
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter t
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maybe I'll mirror off WindowsRefund.net
oh i see
can y'all delay a bit? I gotta snag a glass of ice. :)
that might be fun
nm
whats a minimum amount of bandwidth needed for a modest mirror?
Mirror, or stream source?
no I don't notice lag
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I'll need to read that howto of course
and im using ibiblio
are there stats on how many streams are being served each Tuesday? IRC attendance keeps going up...
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter one of the mp3 URLs from the Linuxshow web page.
Thats what I thought, theres a tad of a loag for me...
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Iwonder if a bittorrent like streaming protocol is practical?
or lag...
yeah! BitTorrent Streaming!
(if that even exists)
ouchies
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter one of the mp3 URLs from the Linuxshow web page.
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ibiblio is way cool. They support Groklaw as well
well i got ripped off on buying NWN:Hordes of the Undertide so I got no money to spare
* windowsrefund hopes he gets a job so he can dontate
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Anyone else hearing mono right speaker only?
dang bioware and no binaries
fedoraguy install redhat 9 :)
Y?
Stereo here.
why would he step down?
nope
fedoraguy just kidding :)
danke
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isn't it 3:06 CST now?
fedoraguy i have sound on center speaker :P
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sweet, christmas presents
:)
Namaseit: What was the NWN problem ? I am planning to buy for my son
fedoraguy its mono anyway
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter one of the mp3 URLs from the Linuxshow web page. Point your broswer to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=mychans
Bioware isn't releasing any binaries for NWn:HotU
Yeah, but shouldn't be 1 speaker
yet
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ok I'll wait for LWE to get the hat. In the meantime, I'll get a domain
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they keep saying sometime next week, then the weekend, then early next week, now its tuesday I can't play the game i bought from Bioware
Something wierd with the mixer, I'm running ALSA. Oh well.
namaseit: at all?
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nope
blah
not until Bioware releases the 1.60 patch for NWN
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I got a pornographic "Chicks love Linux" mug for a friend for ye old office party.
Where is the Free beer hat Url?
I saw a post today saying probably not till after christmas since most people are out on vacations
fedoraguy run the aumix mixer (i.e. the mixer from ALSA themselves)
yah i hate bioware
McGurk, www.linuxitch.com
Free Beer Hat is listed on the TLS home page.
ctrl + F hat
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gwydion Thanks
Welcome, Zeke, to the Linux Show.
Thank you Arne
irc is better'n call-in anyway
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Zeke!
my 1st time
yep yep
A free beer hat, is that related to GNU/Linux?
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has Tux on it
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wife has OK'ed giving our future first child a Tux stuffed animal. :)
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del taco rules
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Indoctrination must begin early.
not as good as In n' Out though
nothing beats In n' Out
The wind is shaking my windows
my wife barely approved giving *me* a Tux stuffed animal.
del taco sucks IMHO, but in-and-out...
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heh
cafilornia knows not cold
Oregon does :)
KevDude http://www.easternelectronics.co.uk/gentner.htm ukp 2400,= ... hmm stiff price
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my street was flooded this weekend
heh
Glad your in Chicago and I left!
I use to live in Northern Indiana so I had my far share
farmer's almanac has been right so far
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I didn't do it, I only have 56k :)
ewwww
:O
see! it's the kiwis fault!
Yaeh! That's US!
;
;)
* Trelane pats his DSL link
I second that motion. I'm in canberra,
canberra!
http://www.reasoning.com/newsevents/pr/12_15_03.html
oh foo... my 56k just died - again.
* Namaseit bitch slaps my comcast cable modem
i hate comcast
Second capital of Australia, after Sydney. ;)
heh
lol
ohhh only $3149.= for the 6-line version : http://www.ramsyscom.com/supply/phonesystems/phonesyshome.html
yah, *only*
hehe
Namaseit hey! communication is priceless! :)
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter one of the mp3 URLs from the Linuxshow web page. Point your broswer to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=mychans
at least your gubmin'ts getting into Linux
irc is free!
* mcleodnine figures it's all the folks at 216.250.128.12 sucking away at TLS bandwith (between visits to jobs.com)
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:)
stupid .us gubmint is deep in Microsoft's pocket. :(
its deep in every corporations pocket
hrm... no stream - only this time, it's because I keep falling off it...
http://www.vnunet.com/News/1151517
especially oil
Anyone every used SuSE 9.0 pro? thinking about getting it
quasarkitten: installed for my mom
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lol coo
quasar: I'm thinking about it too. I wnat a copy, and need to upgrade mom, dad, and brother's systems.
very much a no-brainer distro
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yup
* Trelane has been pretty impressed with SuSE
Saddam being caught was more important...
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beagle 2 :)
yah I have to say Yast is pretty impressive for what it does
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quasarkitten I have. Very slick
that's one small step for penguin, one giant leap for penguinkind.
Yeah I read alot about it and it seem worth the 50 dollars *Im a student*
They mentioned in a documentry on BBC2 in the UK that Beagle2 used Linux
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is it much of an improvement over 8.2?
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mmmm, Linux powered space craft...*drools*
heh
I don't know. It uses newer stuff and is ready for 2.6.0 kernel
its typical Discovery Channel documentary stuff
but its your choice
:)
Trelane Yast has improved a lot and the Look and Feel is much slicker.
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your also paying for support
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which is worth something, i guess
2.6 is a must
I bought Suse 9.0 pro and I don't really like it after three weeks. I fdisked and am playing with Debian Sarge and Fedora again.
mmmmmm 2.6.0-test11
stoned beaver
:) hehe
Its beagle2 after Cooks original Beagle ship that expolred Autralia
The Online install is available for Suse 9 so try it and see if you like it
yah right
install for 2 days
beagle2 has had quite a bit of coverage over here
their ftp servers are so slow
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Scotter:what didn't you like about SUSE 9.0?
I haven't had the guts to try a 2.6.0-testn kernel yet -- should I get up the nerve?
JeffGerhardt: HMS Beagle was the ship that carried Darwin to the galopogas? islands - the mission of beagle 2 is to look for the evolution of life on mars
Namaseit USe a mirror There is tons of them
Yeah i tried the ftp thing but is was super slow
in other news, it was revealed that the Mars Polar Lander was running Microsoft Windows NT....
galapagos*
just cause its test doesn't mean it isn't stable
improved look and feel like what?
You can pretty easily put 2.6 kernel on a fedora1 system. Fedora2 will come with it
my mail server has been running all of the 2.6.0 series and hasn't failed yet
Does FC1 have the right module tools, etc?
scooter: what didn't you like?
it should
Pretty much, yes. Almost complete
It particular, it doesn't support my thinkpad as well as either Fedora off the CD or frankly Debian. Thinklight, brightness buttons, the little thinks
I know it's pretty darn stable, it was more of an (abstract) fear of switching costs (mostly psychological in building the thing)
Arbiter: depends on your distribution, i'd imagine. we've been running 2.6.0 since test5, i think, and it's pretty solid, save a IDE CD-ROM mount panic/freeze and some Via chipset snafus.
Thhat and I really miss apt-get install miscapp
I'm strictly LFS now.
hmm
My only prob with 2.6 is I have an lvm1 raid, 2.6 is lvm2.
I like SuSE for the simple user (e.g. mom, dad, brother)
yah i bought the LFS 4.0 book
LFS was pretty cool, but I got a bit bored with it after a while
LFS is good learning tool
went to gentoo and have never looked back :)
i got tired of keeping it updated
NZheretic:
* Trelane is gonna put Gentoo on the new laptop, whenever HP decides to ship it
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http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/index.html
damn.
NZheretic: trying peercast. Do I need to open some ports on the firewall?
I never did install rpm apt on it but I am screwing around with my ATI 3d chipset drivers. Damn binary packages
probably
ewww ati?
:-)
Namaseit: yeah, keeping it updated was a challenge
well, yeah, I don't follow LFS literally anymore. But all my systems are (great-great-grand)-children of LFS, one way or the other.
fooey... still no stream
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How good is gentoo support for new software, patches, etc?
I had real package removal though, so that part was easy :)
fedoraguy: very good
i like slackware cause with checkinstall utility i can compile and make pkgs easily
fedoraguy: gentoo can be as bleeding edge as you wanna be. :)
Gentoo is good but damn, I don't have that much time
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heh
yeah
its not that bad :)
yah and the GDB install of gentoo defeats the point of gentoo
otoh, you can customize it for your machine.
Iraq
hole in Iraq
Scotter: once it's installed and set up, gentoo doesn't really require any more time than debian to maintain, in my experience.
"Windows XP, the most current version of Windows, was found on just 6.6 percent of the machines. " http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5121458.html
well gentoo's init system sucks
its nice being able to choose whats installed and compiled
most ppl agree with that
it does?
Just look at SourceForge and see
MarcN : Allow on port 7144 7145 if they are blocked by the firewall ( http://localhost:7144/admin?page=settings )
I've found it to be good actually
I will agree but the setup is hideous and I am used to compiling from source on BSD
in business use
how does it suck?
600 of a kind beats 2 pair with an Ace in the hole
slow
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Most inhouse projects does not make it either
I don't see it being slow
Namaseit, slow??? Did you compile a kernel for your system?
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McGurk: our government just cancelled a software project after they spent $2m on it
yes
'ello all..
ey
everyone made your windows 98 series Patch CDs for when MSFT discontinues 98 support? :)
Namaseit: so set RC_PARALLEL_STARTUP in /etc/rd.c/rc :)
wild... The only slow distro I have tried was Slack....
opensource or not has indeed nothing to do with running a succesfull business... if you sell a product open or closed, one is liable normally. it all comes down to if your installed base is happy.
Segfault Talk to the IRS in UK, about botched projects EDS
Trelane: LOL
McGurk: hehe :)
my slackware system boots to console in less then 10 seconds
burned the Win98 cds last year
literally burned them
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heh
Linux:lol
Awsome... I use it on a 300MHz AMD.. It doesn't even spin up the drives in 10 seconds!
I still need mine. I paid for it, I might as well keep it around.
yea... mY win4lin needs them
tax software still doesn't grok everyting yet, so I need a 'doze os for it.
got old ones from work
http://www.ubergeek.tv/fiasco/
i ran turbotax successfully in wine
wow
version?
don't remember
its lingering around somewhere
the DRM'd TurboTax?
omg that game is awesome
what version is that?
wine lingers ... so does TurboTax
wow "Oracle's Wim Coekaerts, director of Linux engineering at the company, said the Sept. 11, 2001 destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City led users to replace destroyed systems with Intel boxes running Linux. He cited the incident as one example of a growing acceptance of Linux. "
last years
I think thats the one I have
whoa
* jdub has joined.
im pretty sure it is, :-\
problem is that I worry about some bug only coming out after the IRS decides they want to audit me. :)
:)
if I run it in vmware, it's gonna be fine
or so you think :)
muahahaha
heh
isn't vmware getting bought?
supposedly
got bought by emc
says so at vmware.com
vmware is being bought out for $600 x10^9 +
Trelane why would EMC want to run VMware??
if only there were something worth _watching_ on that TV.
dunno
but they did
vmware.com
IN CASH
pOz3r Yes, EMC for 650M$ cash +-
vmware is way too bloated ... slows my system way down... even without actually running VM .
Scotter i want my money back! :)
$6e11, huh?
?
but a must at work
not been my experience
Opps
what about win4lin?
I believe this was a few orders of mag off
for all we know, the IRS may have bribed developers into putting "bugs" in TurboTax that cause it to overestimate taxes and trigger audits.
heard good things about win4lin, but I wnat to also have different distros in a vm
s'ok
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wifi is a security hol
hole
and the NT series
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looks kind of stupid to me
win4lin... have here
* meldroc dons his tinfoil hat
if you like Win98
since it goes up to Me only
where are these displays?
url
Scotter if VMWare is being served off by the side door by EMC, i want my vmware workstation fee back :)
JZA: or rather "Wifi can be a security hole"
yeah im a big win 98 user lol
Anyone using kernel 2.6?
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i installed it a few weeks ago.
qgonjon 2.6.0-test9
I'm on test11 now
http://www.theregister.com/content/61/34523.html
i'm running test9, gives me a nice speed boost
I have big problems with it on my work box, tho.
for the none-geek it will
computer fair rocks!!!
:X
NZheretic: what's the URL for these screens they are talking about??
I enable sound, play some muzak, and it crashes so hard it loses random files on /
what hardware are you running?
here, or work?
s/speed boost/interactivity boost/ :)
I had that problem on my Libranet 2.7 with KDE
Download the peercast client ( http://www.peercast.org/download.php ) and run the peercast client server ; point your browser to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=broadcast ; enter one of the mp3 URLs from the Linuxshow web page. Point your broswer to http://localhost:7144/admin?page=mychans
poor doc! :D
Trelane:what kernel?
I've noticed the flash animations and videos are much smoother than they used to be under 2.6
namaseit: 2.6.0-test11
meldroc, chrib, Trelane is all your hardware recognized, for example, sound with ALSA or your cdrom writer?
speed boost too, especially on SMP systems.
peercast://pls/E583335A9CDC2338CB2BFBE527E505A5
yes
well, alsmost
We definitely see Linux as the new proprietary in-house RTOS," ???? propiatary?
alsa's working fine, so is my burner.
meldroc: oh, the scheduler, yeah
running straight atapi, no ide-scsi. B)
has problems recognizing the sound chip, but it works if I activate the chip first with pnpinit
so, i was just about to dial in
well if they develope in house they dont have to release changes, and distribute in house as well
and realised my call card was maxed out
I had concerns reading an article about the broken ide-scsi driver, Thanks!
yopi is cool too and it has the GTK
very quick run down to the shop ;)
I though Linux was taking a step back with kernel 2.6 when it came to hardware support.
you don't need ide-scsi anymore to burn cds, unless you want to use cdrdao
Yopi had an awful article which critizise the fact they got GTK instead of Qt
qgonjon:what???
qg: not really
GPL Violators!!!
i've been thinking about trying the NPTL with 2.6, but i'm worried that there are too many things that will break
wasn't FSF going after them?
$59
Namaseit, I just wanted to know if Kernel 2.6 will have driver issues with my current hardware.
same hub
staples
oh
nice
China.
whats the point in critizing someone for picking one thing instead of something else?
LinkSYS can be hacked? gimmi the # sign! :)
qg: unlikely
no it shouldn't
WRT54G
Uh, run fedora? NPTL has been there since RH9
hmm.. I have a WAP11 :)
it uses a new driver framework
Linksys is violating the GPL right?
windowsrefund yep
so 2.4 drivers can't be used with 2.6
Trelane, thanks. I hope to use Kernel 2.6 soon!
no
thats what im saying
I wish I got the LinkSKI router *ski inside joke* I got a D-link
but 2.6 has all the drivers you need
stock: I'm starting to remember...
I don't know if they are violating now because they released some kind of software they were using
meldroc which utility do you now use to burn cds?
what about the GPL
if you require a 3-rd party driver that doesn' tsupport 2.6 yet, it won't work until someone updates it
tftp
i use k3b
k3b is sweet
ouch cisco build LinkSys?
if you rely on builtin kernel drivers, they should be fine
xcdroast works too, as well as straight cdrecord
k3b is good
ouch cisco bought LinkSys i mean ...
?
cool. I need to read up
k3b rocks!
cdrecord is good
why is it beeping?
stock: yeah, ages ago
k3b made xmms not able to play cd's anymore..
Stock a long time ago
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Trelane: people phoning in
I tend to use mkisofs and cdrecord
* p0z3r made it work again though.
well even if you have an nvidia card you can patch it for 2.6
the beeps are when people call in?
its not hard at all
thought you couldn't call in.
yikes
knoppix plus K3b saves my windows files
Nameseit, I saw an article pointing to how you can convert your old drivers to work with 2.6 kernel. So I thought many applications would be broken if certain drivers were not supported in kernel 2.6.
Cisco Support vovida
nope
riight
i did the patch thing to get the nvidia drivers working in 2.6. haven't had any problems.
vovida is an open source based on VoIP and most of their proyect is founded by Cisco
Disable dhcpd and use it as a hub
I wonder if GNU will modify vmrs to complain if dmesg reports that a Linksys device is attached to the system. Ha! That'd be sweet
meldroc what'd you have to do exactly?
vrms I mean
yah, ive been rocking RTCW:ET in 2.6 with nvidia drivers for awhile now
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you need to download a patch from minion.de? there are instructions on the site on how to do it.
I got the acceleration with nvidia as well; bbut it oopsed sometimes [well, proto-oopsed]
heh remember the dhcp client bug inside Linksys?
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http://minion.de/ is right
only thing I want next xfree86 for is ati igp drivers for my laptop
anyone know if the lowlatency patches will come to 2.6 or does 2.6 inherently obsolete them?
Namaseit, glad to here Nvidia works with 2.6 since I have an Nvidia Geforce 3
it generated a DOS storm to the ntp-server of a US university
well it does, and it doesnt
iirc, lowlatency is builtin to 2.6
we need to get Linux more friendly to hook on line
but I may be wrong
Linksys does have a bunch of GPL code available for download here: http://www.linksys.com/support/gpl.asp
you have to go to minion.de and get their patch
talking about PPP
and follow their directions
I thought he IGP already works
2.6 has preempt, but lowlatency is relative
JZA: dial-up or what?
There is still the GPL todo bettween FSF, Cisco and Broadcom.
yeah dial-up
terracon:i haven't gotten it to work
yea
Supported ATI drivers for direct-rendering:
still using vesa
way too many modems do not work with Linux...
Linux is extremely easy on LAN but horribly for dial-up
winmodems mostly
ATI drivers bite
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but even when ur modem DO work, still a painful process for the newbies to get on line
2.6 does have a new driver for some winmodems.
ohh.. where does jeff live? ;-)
I can get a lowlatency patch including lowlatency.h for 2.4.x but not yet for 2.6
/dns
heh
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Linux, that's not true! Way to many manufactures starting selling non-modems. . .
http://dri.sourceforge.net/dri_status.phtml
Friend has wirless extender antenna in the attic for broadcasting to anyone he feels needs broadband
using linksys
Ati has been pretty helpful though. They actually contribute code and get cards out to devels.
chrisb: i don't think latency is a problem for desktop users of 2.6
"Netgear Routers DoS UWisc Time Server" http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/22/1454233&mode=thread&amp;tid=126&tid=128&tid=156&tid=95
ati sure has a funny way of showing it
just point a directional dish at it and you're on the net
* Trelane is using a cisco pcmcia card + d-link ap + linksys cf card for his Z
adsl modems have poor linux support, but most winmodems work
There just isn't any market for linux desktop so video card makers don't give a crap. The only reason nvidia does theirs is only for the quaddro NOT for geforce
converter probably not. But all of the advice for people using ALSA+JACK+Ardour DAW suggest using the patch
well I have a linksys WPC11 but its version 4
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if i go adsl, i'm inclined to get something that goes through ethernet like cable modems
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=75716&threshold=0&commentsort=0&tid=126&tid=128&tid=156&tid=95&mode=thread&cid=6842309
I just ordered a d-link G520 for my upcoming mythtv box, and am getting some Atheros-based integrated G wireless in my new laptop
meldroc: that's what I have
but the quaddro and geforce use the same chip so quaddro support will work on geforce
not sure who is getting adsl cards
yea... the 64bit is where things are going to... NVIDIA's got to support them
doesn't make much sense to me. :)
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are there wireless-G drivers for LInux yet?
nvidia does support 64-bit
was really cool; they even had a checkbox for linux when I signed up. ;)
Lowes Home Improvement centers are running Linux... in some form
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,88191,00.html
not that I know of
from the login screens at least.
iirc, nvidia already has amd64 drivers on their site.
Are ATI drivers bin like nvidia, or real source?
jpe: yes
"We have more people supporting a handful of Windows users than roughly 7,000 Linux systems," Prince said. He added that the Linux systems "just sit there and don't break. They run and run and run. People can't mess them up. They don't get messed up on their own. Unless there's a hardware problem, we almost never have to do anything with them."
fedoraguy: you can extract the nvidia drivers
ATI only does proprietary binary only drivers now. As far as I know
thanks NZ
Bin and suck worse than the ATI Windows drivers
fedora: new ones are bin like nvidia; they've released specs to the X developers for everything up thru Radeon 9700
proprietary binary only or nothing
scotter: they do?
I feel they do
scotter: what are you talking about, ive been using nvidia linux drivers for a long time no probs
9700 is r300 and no one has docs for that
somebody needs to run their binaries through a disassembler and reverse-engineer them. lawyers be damned
i get like 10,000 fps in glxgears
NZheretic: URL?
I'm talking about ATI drivers
oh
well yah
ati is worst driver support ever
nevermind
terracon: I thought the xwin developers did
Namaseit: much better than SiS
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,88191,00.html
Trelane: nope no one has docs
cheers to Groklaw
Damn I wish nVidia would release a fast chipset again
my ti4200 is fast enough for right now
wow China, Uk and India in 3 weeks
Trelane: ATI seems to only want to give docs out to companies/corporations , Not any invidivuals
thats fast
`mrmmmmm. /me can't help out with that SCO stuff...
terracon: they gave me docs on my anicent card
* viking667 must check that out again....
are there any video cards out there with open source drivers that don't suck?
hell ATI wouldn't even give help to game developers like the Savage developers
***We'll be right back***
Trelane: ancient card isn't r300
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meldroc:nope
true
voodoo cards?
yep the sco kernel coders still exist... do we have to ask FBI surveillance for these ppl??
well the savage video cards
Namaseit: for linux or for windows?
:)
yay, more great music ;)
Namaseit: for linux well DUH no money in that unless you like throwing money down the drain
Legacy ATI Rage enjoys good Linux support.
terracon:both
VooDoo was well supported by mesa
basically anything that's not Nvidia sucks
due to driver availability
lack thereof
S3 8)
Savage(the game) had horrible ati support, but had awesome Nvidia support because they went the extra mile for Savage devs
--- You are now known as MGALUG
too many video cards have TV-out, which implies Macrovision. That's why drivers are closed. :mad:
JeffGerhardt: you there?
just noticed my nick...
Namaseit: like I said the only reason nvidia drivers exist is because of the quadro cards. They don't give a crap about geforce. Linux sales doesn't make them any money but the pro cards are actually a new market and that does make money
Must be free music.
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was Linux Dude on freenode... forgot to change
hello mgalug
hey
was going under Linux alias..
linuxshow music is getting muted
MGALUG: you been on Undernet too?
lol
nope
terracon: yah but they do have the linux(however small) market locked for 3d graphics
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in business, every number matters
terracon: weren't the drivers released before the quadro cards were out?
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So do binary kernel modules and drivers violate the GPL?
's funny. I've seen a MGALUG on Undernet too...
cool
at the very least, somebody should dissect nvidia's drivers just to pick out all the macrovision secrets & broadcast them all over the net.
Discuss among yourselves
scotter: according to Linus, no
that's our group's acronym
Scotter: only if the sourcecode isn't released to the public
Macon GA Linux User Group
http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TrillianProject#Ransom_Love_s_Linuxworld_2000_Ke
viking667:no
Namaseit: the desktop stuff is just a charity. It's all about quadro. That's what funds the development
Namaseit: hrmm?
--- You are now known as nomasteryoda
i just lost my ogg stream
Anyone wants to share there view on UserLinux's decision to go GNOME!
also one of my alias'
viking667: if they aren't changing the kernel source they dont have to release the source
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to their binaries
What the heck is this music!?
Debian has always hated KDE
Namaseit: not the point at issue here - the drivers aren't under GPL, are they?
--- You are now known as MGALUG
that is no surprise
steven, I don't like it too!
viking: oh i see
***** We're BACK! with segment two. *****
newp; they're correcting me; not Radeon 9700
lol - the music must be the only public domain stuff they could find.
yeah!
* Trelane kicks ATI
heh
viking667: yah in that case they do
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-advocacy/2001/01/18/0002.html
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
qgonjon: yeah, I have no problem with it :)
segfault: like I said the driver was developed for the quadro. But the quadro uses the same chip and normal cards so with some tweaking opengl will work. I don't know when quadro came out. I'm not a historian
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I think they need music from Knoppix distro
well gnome is the most wide used desktop
I have to send you guys some new tunes!
Arne, your sound system has improved by leaps and bounds.
somebody needs to install iRATE-radio
for a week or 2
* Arne runs an ATI AIW 7500 watches TV on his Linux Box
cool
terracon: cause I've got a feeling that the drivers have been around much longer than the quadro
I use a hauppage
:)
segfault, I also don't have a problem with it and I am a KDE user. I see why they are not will to choose GNOME.
Arne Play TuxRacer?
heh
Lots of good music here: http://creativecommons.org/
And it's not glam-rocks from 1985
oh cool
bttv
Scotter - not yet. ought to try that one, though.
Has anyone here downloaded, Neverball??? It is a cool game!
Haupauge Pronounces ha p- HOG
segfault: no. That's the only reason they invested in making them. You're delusional if you think they want to support geforce linux desktop gamer dudes
wow
frozen-bubble rules
a river in New England
;)
My AIW does stereo and all sorts of other things.
Namaseit, try Neverball. I downloaded it from synaptic a few days ago.
Anyone use an Avermedia?
why don't i get a reply from @linuxshow.com ?
Neverball... fun
you smell :)
why does the maillinglist not work for me?
jk'ing
they are going for sure now..
LTS/LWE
sweet
MGALUG, My 4 and 5 year old kids are addicted to it.
I was looking at the Avermedia PCI 350 as a possibility.
Is anyone hearing the music covering Jeff up?
nope
Hmm, do I do the big apt-get and lose most of my bandwidth, or listen to the rest of the show...
JeffGerhardt well?
Arne, What is happening with the music!
Weird...
7 & 9 kids are too
what's the booth you guys are in?
Yeah.
yes - twice so far the music has reappeared
jaye:you usig ogg?
3 times.
year old
jaye:yeah it's here too
jpe:using ogg?
hehe
yes
dont use the ogg
ok - will switch.
use the mp3
hahahhahaah...
yep
give me wore more more!!!
i used to use the ogg till that started happening
Who is hacking into TheLinuxShows Computer???
4 times now
like amonth ago
that was staff@thelinuxshow.com right?
how does ogg has to do with that
my mp3 stream's fine now - linxquestions, the rest either can't be contacted, or keep droping out.
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Stop! replaying the music!
We have lost all talk and are back to the music!
that sux. . . .
I'll fire up another xmms session.
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JZA:dont know but it doesn't happen on the mp3 streams
i'm running again, switched to the linuxquestions mirror
M$?
windowsrefund -- staff@thelinuxshow.com
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Change servers
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great
I got an mp3 feed from Naperville.
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We have lost all talk and are back to the music!
well if you going to NY maybe you should go to NyLUG or Gnubies
nice folks over there
Real is working just fine
hope we don't kill the servers!
i didn't lose anything..
I wanna request an entire show devoted to the developers of screen(1) !
:-)
how about not
equal time and all that
:)
Arne does the thelinuxshow@mailman.ibssnet.com email address still work???
what about miguel de icaza not being on 'the list'
Arne or has it changed?
Hrm - I couldn't TALK for 40 minutes about twin, much as I love it...
does anyone actually use realaudio anymore?
I don't know. You'll have to ask Kevin
Arbiter: absolutley!
My wife and I are registered to attend the LinuxWorldExpo next year. Who is registered here?
meldroc I miss real audio
meldroc: yeah, real is real
screen and ratpoison
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meldroc: its a shame they forced to update to RealOne
What is happening with RealOne for Linux. I heard that sun will have it available for it's desktop, is this true?
Real is open now, and is in testing
real recently released codecs for version 9 on Linux
la junta de extremadura has done a nice job
these days i avoid Real whenever possible.
*I don't believe it!!!* I heard a neighbour!!!
realone died
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Real...got it last week
awesome
assassinated I hope
Real works better on my low bw connection than others
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Who's the Australian?
I think real wants this Helix to take over
... make sure you install the version 9 codecs
Yeah Real is good for low bandwidth
Ohhhh - Jeff Waugh - welcome.
good for movies from reuters too
quasarkitten: also is a good quality for radio-level
quasarkitten: I mean talkshow radio
morning :)
I actually LOVE Real...
The problem with RealOne is that Mozilla does not have a plugin for it!
Talk about the Telecentros in Brazil..
So shoot me...
yea..
Anyone check out the NOVA shows you can steam from PBS ive seen them all
every time i see a box running windows in a hospital, i get nervous...
qg: netscape has a plugin, so mozilla should
So, RealOne sucks without the web plugin!
there's a plugin but it doesn't work and real isn't updating realone linux
that's not good, but it plays ok in the native real player
brings new meaning to "Blue Screen of Death"
I never used real for talkradio only video
meldroc: it's the windows box you _don't_ see that always gets ya
realone linux has been in a crappy alpha and was never updated
Namaseit, don't confuse RealPlayer 8 with RealOne.
meldroc: hospitals are so behind the times. I've worked in a few
oh
my bad
:)
Chrysler uses LTSP
I've seen LASIC machines running Windows ME - the machine that controls the laser.
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Largo is thinking on deploying OpenOffice on a large scale too
Namaseit, it happens :-)
Does this show run until 10pm?
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axatax. i'll never get my eyes lasiked!!! thank god i have good vision
I'm using RealPlalyer9-9.0.7.151
where are those photos?
andygraham:depends on where you live
How do the Americans/Canadians cope hearing the Aussie accent?
fedoraguy: on Fedora of course
goes to 7:00 for me but thats cause im on west coast
I'm waiting for subtitles myself. ;)
using ver 8 here
Canadians can handle accents fine
I hate RealOne because they are not embracing Linux at all. They are just holding on to Linux to piss off Microsoft.
what happens if the lasik machine crashes right in the middle of zapping someone's eye?
I had probs with ver 8, kept hanging
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail for mailman.ibssnet.com loops back to myself
Well I live in Three Sisters,Oregon but I'm in Kansas City
uhoh... we have a mailloop here
glad you got 9 going... will try it
Real is doing more than apple/quicktime
I preffer the SuSE name
By now RealOne should have a plugin. What is the helix people doing???
the realplayer 8 plugin doesnt' work in Mozilla Firebird 0.7
realplayer 8 works in konqueror
I am getting sick of plugins not working for Mozilla.
O.T. Can anyone tell me how to uninstall plugger? (Firebird 0.7) tried re: terracon's problem, now I it's taken over mp3 ogg and everyithing else!
I keep checking Helix site, it looks like they are testing now
BUT... doesn't Novell buying a comapny send those products down the crapper historically?
actually, speaking of hospitals. This embrace by Novel will get us in those doors. Hospitals still have alot of legacy Netware boxes providing file/print over NDS
Actually, I get asked what app I want to hear a RAM stream in, when I click on it in mozilla 0.3
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err, 1.3
JeffGerhardt KevDude Arne i'm afraid your Postfix mailserver is quite correctly configured
I downloaded and built the Helix community player. THe build system was completely too complex. I'm concerned that they're focused on themselves. Shades of mozilla here.
When will Helix have a reasonable player available for Linux.
Unix, WordPerfect?
....Helix?
~/.mozilla/plugins delete the plugger file
Right now they have a stripped down player that only does streaming.
Can`t you just register RealOne as a helper application in Mozilla ?
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* safedin will use totem with the xine backend for now..
I did, I suspect.
I have realplayer 6..... and it works fine in .7 mozilla
midonkey, I tried that and it does not work!
Terracon: thanks - tried renaming it, but maybe I need to delete it
mldonkey: yea, but it will launch separate from mozilla
not imbedded like Mplayer
xine
John: delete.
Scotter: did you mean Corel?
I use mplayer plugin for mozilla. Wors nicely
Novell owned them both first
Terracon: thanks -- I'm running the evil operating system at the moment because of the problem!
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which distro's have GNOME 2.4 onboard today???
I'm not having success with mplayer. It's the 1st choice of audio players in konq for me, but if I try it it embeds, but nothing seems to happen.
Evil xp home or evil xp pro
i think mdk 9.2
Fedore has 2.4. It's not bad at all.
stock: gentoo
plunk being bought by Novell seems to have a curse attached
Fedora
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p0z3r heh i should recheck my mandrake :)
Debian/Libranet/SUSE I think
*sigh* I only have Mdk 9.1, with Gnome 2.2
Debian/Sid is using 2.4
I am getting sick of the music replaying!
I run Gnome on Mandrake
Debian/Woody == legacy :P
what's everyone's favorite irc client. I'm using mozilla's irc client. it's a lot of bulk just for irc
qgonjon: you'll have to try another mirror
qgonjon change servers
qgonjon: switch to the mp3 stream
Again, Dam it!
running kvirc right now.
John: is that mozplugger?
LinuxItch: xchat
LinuxItch: I'm using epic4
thanks!
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stable ~ dead? ;)
"KDE 3.1.3, GNOME 2.4.0, IceWM 1.2.13, WindowMaker 0.80.2, Enlightenment 0.16.5, Blackbox 0.65.0" - from mandrake's site
what do Jeff Waugh and Leslie Proctor think of Sun naming their GNOME 2.4 stuff the Java Desktop System?
* mcleodnine is an x-xhat muppet
MGALUG: think so, yes
Sid is fun. Can you log on today or is Pam broken again?
stock: did ya catch that..?
I'm sitting in sid/gnome2.4 atm
p0z3r catch what?
the stuff in sid is what goes in a lot of distros latest releases anyway
"KDE 3.1.3, GNOME 2.4.0, IceWM 1.2.13, WindowMaker 0.80.2, Enlightenment 0.16.5, Blackbox 0.65.0" - from mandrake's site
just the occasional packaging error.... :P
I love the Gnome integration proyect to tie Gaim , Evolution and F-Spot
Okay, I moved to another server, thanks again. I am using mp3 now instead of Ogg.
stock: that..
* viking667 claps his hands together ! Ahh - enlightenment!
what is 'acceptability'?
John: look at your ~/.mozilla/pluginreg.dat file
accessability?
Stock: Is Java desktop 2.4 - I thought it was older?
p0z3r oh sure.. i have a full mandrake 9.2 install running here... only tried KDE 3.1.3 yet
DougDante: is accesability
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MGALUG: Thanks. Booted into the evil operating system at the moment
John: did you install mozplugger using RPM
mandrake 9.2 has GNOME 2.4.0 and it's pretty good on the whole
my condolences
stock I have a mdk 9.1 and 9.2 system sitting here.. haven't even touched the gnome 2.4 in my 9.2 system
MGALUG - from source
DougDante: for gnome-speech, and contrast coloring for visually impared
Anyone else getting weird audio repeating?
ok...
yeah
p0z3r i will create a new login user with GNOME later :)
steven: switch to mp3, use LinuxQuestions server, perhaps? Works well here.
you can edit the file and remove all mozplugger code
p0z3r try a new desktop on Linux? create a new user :))
MGALUG - Thanks will try it. (probably after the show)
tar your mozilla profile and create a new one
yea
i love gnome 2.4, but i hate the focus issues. giving the panel focus on a workspace switch is just annoying. i hope this is fixed soon.
`Is dewe a Elmer fudd twanswashun?
converter: submit a bug report
When is nautilas going to get fixed?
2.4 is way slick
stock: I switch between kde and blackbox all the time, used windowmaker in the past.. and hinted on some gnome.
segfault: there are already a few, last time i checked bugzilla
2.5 unstable is going to ROCK
jose which GNOME version are you referring to?
jdub: yup! :)
I would support internationalization to most of the old common filter programs -- jive, valley, etc.
what's gnome's position on gnome office versus open office? esp since Ximian modifies and sells open office?
I wonder if there is a Vasque translation
or a redneck translation? "put dat der CD in dat der coffee cup holder and click 'Yup' to continue'
the music issue was happening last week too
DougDante: we love both :)
Nautilus seems to work fine on 2.4 - at least I haven't noticed any problems.
no music on my feed..
sounds fine here
no music here
its just the ogg stream
Nautilus was a resource hog early... still?
Ebonics?
dont use ogg streams
"linuxquestions.org Buffalo, NY" works fine with mp3 and xmms.
Pig latin
my mp3 is fine
2.4, nautilas is so slow and nowhere near as confogurable as konqueror
anyone tried the "spatial" nautilus?
yea...what about mozilla's lack of mailto handing off to external email program... evolution
jose: no problems here
is their a GNOME based knoppix release??
yay, totem! :)
sleepeasy: err, never even heard of it - is it a bit like the 3dwm?
there i mean
linux show only does ogg streams and it's converted. If I remember right the real stream is mp3
stock:gnoppix
stock: there is gnoppix
beat me to it
yea!!
Namaseit omfg :) geez i must have been sleeping :)
nautilus is still much too slow and resource-intensive populating its display
:)
totem
and Streamtuner
viking667: have no idea if it's like 3dwm, sorry
coold
Bah - then I'm going to have to upgrade my ogg123 - it's not working at all. Period.
2.6 will make multimedia better on the desktop.
anyone who tried gnoppix?
Sounds like a virus engine (api)
Oh yeah. what ever happened to GNome offering bounty to developers?
more responsive to the end user.
's why I've been using trplayer and mplayer
dashboard looks really, really cool
...dashboard...?
Pig latin would be cool but I like Ebonics - Would you like to log off? Fo Shizzal my Nizzal or Hellz Naw
I dont mind Gnome I don't like ppl that try to force either/or any gui onto their Users, kind of why I dont agree with UserLinux
sounds like a microsft product I once tried out
Dashboard
I wish I could send clue packets to people.
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lol
why is that arbiter?
dashboard was a addon gadget orginally on win3.11 ... be warned for yet another brandname shootout!! :)
what is the roadmap? the release dates...
converter: you're right - i tried it once a while back but couldn't get it to work but it will be cool
http://www.nat.org/dashboard/
quasarkitten: there are people inside OOo that has a klingon project
what about SuperKaramba?
Failed to send command.
Lindows : the Chinese pronouncation of Windows :)
couldn't we just run the i18n strings through the jive filter?
(dashboard + storage)++
Dashboard is a fine name. It's what you smack your head into after hitting a cow.
http://www.userlinux.com/GUI.html
http://www.gnome.org/start/2.5/
lol
NZheritic -- king of the links! thanks.
oor dee sveedish chef filter, bork bork bork
When will Superkaramba become part of the KDE Desktop package?
or Gnome?
qgonjon:probably never
qgonjon: not sure, but I was asking that last week..
yea
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Gnome is perfect for UserLinux
JZA: klingon project? I think i may have heard of that before lol
superkaramba is pretty unstable to include
errrrrrkkkk. dashboard - yuck.
Namaseit: for now maybe..
*I* wouldn't include it
need substantial work, but it rocks
Superkaramba is the coolest thing ever and KDE should integrate it into the desktop or GNOME.
viking667 which URL?
Gnome has gdesklets
What graphics cards do THEY use?
http://127.0.0.1/old_site/screenshots.html
I already don't like the idea... guess I'm going to have to try it...
http://p0z3r.is-a-geek.org/old_site/screenshots.html
which I tried to use it once, but it wouldn't compile
*woops*
:\
heh
`stock: http://www.nat.org/dashboard/
hot: dashboard, not: wikiwiki
qgonjon: you should see the gnome desklettes
check this thread for some very different views on the way nautilus is heading http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4355
I built superkaramba to see what all the hype was, built OK, but then I didn't see what you're supposed to do with it
Where do they see GTK going?
fedoraguy: run it and select a theme to display..
the liquid weather plugin rocks
liquid weather plugin rocks?
don't forget iLaunch meldroc
.png is bloated fat image format, its waisting internet traffic IMHO
will gDesklets ever get into GNOME? :)
Is UserLinux like United Linux ultimately?
but gif license suck
morphix!!!!
live CDs are great
thanks Arne
morphix!!!!
sleepeasy: unlikely to get "into" gnome
sleepeasy: afaik, its proposed for 2.6
morphix with xfce4
yea
slackware and Knoppix
qgonjon: check this desklettes http://primates.ximian.com/~sandino/MyDesktop.png
you can find lots of superkaramba themes at kde-look.org
JZA, do you have a link to desklettes?
XFCE4
Yeah, Knoppix tricked me. I liked it, and installed it, and noticed, "Bam! I'm running Debian". Crap. I need to grow a hippee beard now.
why not have a UserLinux base CD and supply a collection of GUIs on a separate disk?
lol
JZA, ignore that!
lol
Scotter: i think 'user linux' is more "hands on" than UL, which was just a short-lived publicity ploy, imo.
plunk:Bruce already said Gnome is it, nothing else.
Arne doesn't have a hippie beard
yea... the Neo Tux in the suit is fun
to show Matrix friends
qgonjon: acutally thats not a link to the desklettes just a screenshot
yea...slow download
Namaseit: only gnome will be 'supported', which means something very specific
Grabbing superkaramba now. What themes should I grab?
on cable...
maybe for x-mas though
I mean a userlinux base without a GUI, then add your choice of GUI from another disk?
lol
lol
JZA, I am currently downloading the image. do you have a link to literature?
jdub: ok... it's more of a toy than anything else anywho
liquid weather +
told ya
* Arne is Norwegian --- no beard to grow!!!
jdub:according to what Bruce said only Gnome and GTK+ are in it
fedoraguy: liquid weather, maybe one of the os x bars..
oh
liquid weather rocks
fedoraguy: get the VENT
!!
an xmms control theme is also handy
liquid weather? Link?
I always pronounced in Ka-no-PICS instead of the correct NAH-pics
AND, will it work on a GNOME-2.2 site?
the noatun theme is sweet too
Scotter - me too
http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=6384 <- liquid weather
my 14yr old sister just got gnome from day 1
stock -- send those things to staff@thelinuxshow.com
kde-look.org
Scotter - the K in Knoppix is not silent.
we're hardcore. guess it's time to get a tux tat. :)
Im not a german so the K is pronounced
JZA: awesome :)
QUESTION : how is the bounty offering going ( http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ )
like the jars you put organs after they are removed from the mummy
QUESTION : how is the bounty offering going ( http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ )?
Namaseit: sure, but you're reading that the wrong way
uh - so it's kde. Darn - I only have 3.1 here, and it's a memory hog.
is it guh-nome or just nome?
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LinuxItch: guh-nome
what you mean?
3.1 works viking667
i like guh
thanks namaseit
glade the best IDE for new developers or is there something better?
jpe Knopper the German last name is a silent K
gnu is pronounced "guh-nu"
LinuxItch:for what?
:)
Yuh! It WORKS - it's just hoggy on memory. I only have 64Mb memory, and 72 Mb swap - I typically have 15Mb left after I start KDE and a couple of apps
chrisb: glade isn't an IDE, its an interface designer
So KDE in german is DE?
kdevelop is decent. make sure you get kdevelop 3
Scotter heh not in germany:)
segfault oh
sorry -- that was meant for jdub :)
viking667: a lot of caching going on..
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viking667:no duh, i would run xfce4 on that system
stock Hmm, I will ask a german friend I need to work for tomorrow
though every time i've use IDE's, i found they get in the way, and i switch back to the old xterm + vim
evolution will take a while for 2.0
p0z3r: that may well be, I decided I would get more mileage out of icewm
Leslie has such a nice voice. keep her talking. :)
that's fine.. I use blackbox when I run winex games b/c of that.
yea.. we just lost a main man for Evolution
this week
for winex i just do "startx -e xterm"
Last time I tried xfce, I nearly died of shock. it was a bit .... too different.
women with voices like that usually look nice too.
eh
one project that i'm really looking forward to future development of is Planner (used to be called MrProject)
MGALUG ouch what happened?
your choice :)
Ettore Perazzoli is now gone
http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1523
he deserves mention
where is linuxworld expo?
new york
linuxworld is in the Javits Center in Manhattan, NY
damn
converter: if she want to have a gnome-radio show I will be there
I like taskbars that are REALLY functional, but they can get out of the way when I need them to.
:D
Hi!! I'm new! :-D
Anyhow, I need to depart...
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welcome gwydion :)
I'm new too.
hehe
new
danke, danke
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later Viking667
yea...for T-shirts
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etc
:\
helix.. ohyeah..
hrmmm?
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already got the helix client
what does it do exactly now..
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later all...
Nice Show and no SCO
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We're outta here.
yea...got it last week
Nite Arneeeeeee!!!!!!!! (was away when you joined :( )
Thanks Arne!
helix client huh? no SCO IP right???
will it install RealGoo on my box???
heard sound but got no video with it lol
Ah huh. I'll look into it.
Doc ... thanks for the email on Real
is helix out on gentoo?
good comments
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Good show chaps !
ok. i'll give it a test drive.
nite all!
not that he can read these notes..
g'nite
puntium: no ebuild, yet.
what is the link? no instances of "helix". Only instances of "real" are to these streawms.
great show
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for the love of god we need new music
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yesh
DougDante: left hand side
converter: matter of time i guess
Good show - im sick of this song
thanks guys, great show
Bye everyone. thelinuxshow = :D
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KevDude: does theLinuxshow save the IRC chats?
Namaseit: amen
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for posterity
Namaseit: feel free to contribute some royalty free music :)
bye
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email doesn't work AFAIK, for thelinuxshow@mailman.ibssnet.com
search for helix on portage didn't result in any matches.
good show. thanks guys.
Bye for this time
it should be legal to broadcast music if your not profiting, eh
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and i also have my doubts about @thelinuxshow.com
I think the music was one fo the thing got mcbride so upset with arnie.. (if he ever heard the linux show)
Don't think thye would play the music i like
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lol
link is http://forms.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html?src=120303realhome_1_2_2_1_1
Namaseit: but it's recorded...
lol
maybe that's the rubb
are there any debian packages for helix?
no. really. can I trust anything from RealNet?
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Jeff Waugh will remain in the IRC
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you can trust to fook you up :)
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The Windows Real Stuff is nothing more than a delivery vehicle for spyware. The fact you can use it to stream music is secondary.
JeffGerhardt: are you there?
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Jeff What video card do you use?
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when I downloaded the Real client after last week's show, it looked like it was the same ol rp8_*.bin that's been around for years
yah the only reason I isntalled realplayer 8 for linux cause I knew they wouldn't try to spyware me
or would they :\
so why would I want a Real_X client on my rig?
dont know
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Good night everybody. See y'all next week. Stay and enjoy the IRC.
chrisb: i think the page they sent us to has a tiny little link to the beta buried at the bottom
Namaseit linux version contains spyware? i don't believe that
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i dont either
heh
thats why i said i installed it
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cause I figured they wouldn't be dumb enough to try
I'll give it another go then
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Never underestimate greed or stupidity
suprising real is still around and haven't been netscaped out of existence
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Scotter well the new trend is exploiting cookies and jpg tags for marketing purposes
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more like exploiting everything on the planet
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toodles
if there is spyware in it that is news to me.
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JeffGerhardt: what would you think of a new TLS website?
kev is checking the link
after years of hitting TV-ish 'news' sites with only Real-enabled audio/video I can't think of a reason to see a return to Real as a *cough* standard.
hi all
don't believe it either... on the linux platform
i'm stil here for a while if you have random gnome questions
he may be pointing to an old link
JeffGerhardt: "mirrow"?
what exactly are we looking at, the helix community or the realplayer download page on the real.com site?
jdub What video card do YOU personally use?
anyway GNOME does look slick, even more as latest KDE
some sites. like radio stations are only doing ms media now no more real which sucks
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stock: 8)
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but i like working with KDE
but virginradio in london does real/ms/mp3 stream. Kick ass station
terracon: right, I'd rather use a real stream than MS stream
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Scotter: um, an ATI now, but previously i was a matrox guy.
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maybe GNOME 2.4 should have a renewed try here :)
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2.6 is out in march, you can always wait :-)
segfault: it's starting to suck as alot of streams have killed real off and only do ms media
bah, it's effectively out now :P
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* NigelS is just reading up on amd64 support
terracon: one stream to force them alll (to use MS media player)
yeah, 2.5 is stable enough for most geeky linux dudes
can you use an mpeg4 codec to listen to WMP streams?
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not convinced that installing debian on an amd64 system with a SATA drive is going to be a pleasant experience
jdub: will gnome begin catering to us pathological customizers again in the future? i kind of miss some of the tweaks i was able to do with sawfish. :)
highly unlikely
well we need more ppl to use 2.6 to test it out to get those huge hungry bugs out
linux on amd64 just isn't ready for prime time yet
you can generally use gconf-editor to change some things
is there any particualar reason to stream in one format over another (besides license agreements?)
but outrageous configuration stuff is not really of interest anymore
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didn't esr say on a show all you had to do was recompile your kernel to amd64 and you get most of the benefits doing that rather than recompile for the whole distro
nope.. meldroc it seems to require a lot of playing around :P - though..if you at least run the kernel compiled for it, that's something :)
are there any gnome ppl involved with the integrating of GTK into QT?
it's getting everything else to work
jdub: understood, and appreciated.
Namaseit: 'into'?
the scheduled january release of gentoo looks promising
let me find the link
integrating GTK into Qt?
I am opposed to integration myself, but I code little and never a GUI so I don't count
that doesn't make ense
sense
i can see maybe an emulation layer running on top of Qt
but it'd be a lot easier just to use GTK
jdub: who would be a good person to talk to about future bounty ideas?
segfault: no one :-)
segfault: the bounties are currently a test run only
segfault: sponsored by novell/ximian
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jdub: we need some nice totem/epiphany integration. somehow I don't think its going to get done without a bounty
if it works out, other people may want to get involved
cause there is a lot of work involved with that
segfault: sure it will, lodge bugs and write code! that's how we've always done it before.
hehe :)
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I'll be done in a couple of years ;-)
(it will probably involve mozilla-bonobo, and making a bonobo totem thingy.)
once I learn C
yeah
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someone mentioned using mozgtkembed
l8r everyone
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later
jdub:link is down
jeff, any plans to update the gnome logo again?
heh, no :-)
but it was something about getting gtk apps to completely use kdethemes and such
and widgets
we love the current one
Namaseit: common themes are good enough, and there are a few now
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I always preferred the first one - current one looks too surfy :)
well with this the user would never have to know or care if an app was QT/GTK
segfault: mozgtkembed is what ephiphany uses, to embed totem, you'd use mozilla-bonobo
jdubHey, one other question. Mousetrails?
Namaseit: nor do they need to with common themes
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mkay kids. thanks as always for the show.
Scotter: hmm, no one's mentioned anything. not very high on the priority list, i'd say. :-)
Scotter: you can turn on the little targeting reticle when you press ctrl though. that's handy.
anway AMD64 is kickass gear : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13187
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jdub: righto
pants off! :)
:-)
"Slowest Athlon 64 humbles fastest P4 in gaming"
hehehe
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jdub:http://desktop.kdenews.org/strategy.html#gtk
stock: thanks for the link - just about to order one - reading about Linux support
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would be great to have one theme spec for both desktops
NigelS a friend went to shop today to get ASUS board with AMD64 : he only could sign in.... the moment these baby's come in, the crowd is beating each other up, being choosen to pay.
Namaseit: that doesn't really say much of substance :-)
or was it a MSI board... dunno less check
"yes, we would like better integration" -> sure.
there was more
hehe, a web site in the UK seems to have them n stock -hopefully they can deliver before christmas :P
but I dont have that link
stock: I'm look at an MSI board as being a good choice - need to read on installing debian to a SATA device etc :)
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NigelS the mania has become so mad, that a major hardware shop here : www.mycom.nl was not putting the AMD64 gear on their website... only occasional customers who happened to visit their shops , could see the EUR 400,= offering : ASUS board + AMD64 3000+ CPU
hehe :)
NigelS oh now its on : http://silverapp1.mycom.nl/MyCom/Store/pageloader.do?url=kerstactie_computersystemen.htm
EUR 1099,= for a full featured ASUS K8V + AMD64 3000+ CPU
hmm show's over
not bad :)
* Trelane was putting up the tree
does the jargon "AMD64" comprise both Opteron and Athlon64?
i'd say Intel is toasted this season
I'll get the 3200+ I think, since I'm greedy :)
Trelane: :)
hmm it's 03:55
I probably should sleep
* jdub goes to lunch. :-)
chrisb yep... Opteron being server based, and AMD Athlon 64 for home pc's
mmm. 64-bit
jdub: :)
cool
hot actually
lol
it's a little more than that - there has been some confusion over the actual processor ID...I think atm it's agreed to use amd64
heh
MGALUG yep they run hot :)
hehe :)
my old 1ghz Athlon runs hot
indeed its getting late... gnight * and till next week :)
even with 3 fans
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night stock
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MGALUG indeed.. dual Opteron is still a heavy price tag for me
night:)
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me too
whoa, someone still uses bitchx!
freshmaker...
brb
yea - stock is sticking with it
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:)
xhat is cool
most I know has moved to irssi
xchat
have*
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anyway, I must force myself to stop reading now - I'm tempted to get up and go to see the LOTR
good idea.
or sleep
that way I too can moan about the omissions :P
... book is way better
well, sleep such that I can wake up at a reasonable time to see it
always
they always are :)
night night
night
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3 fans? sheesh
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yea
well.. one on processor... two on PS
but still hot
yeah thats a hot one
need to get newer Non-dumpster system
got this whole enchilada from dump
save the new PS
heheh
with RAM...
win me had hosed the 80GB drive that was in it
installed Mandrake 9.1...now 9.2 on it... working perfectly
my main system is from the early days of walmart.com Microtel offerings
my brand new 160GB Maxtor died last week
just got warranty replacement.
walmart is ok
I've had good luck with maxtor . Fujitsu however have crashed repeatedly on me. They were good about replacing the drives with newer and larger capacity drives though
got Epson S. Photo 900 printer from friend who broke the color cartridge door... he just gave it to me
I have too ... so far
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well, maybe the hot athlon cooked it
lol
heheh
but could be suspect
heard these 160 drives were having high return rate...
mfg defect
but 64bit would be nice to upgrade to