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peacefully/
?
2. Linux will not be free
i love that earlier: IBM was trying to certify 12 distros... now what... they have only 5 certified distros
hmm
go figure
Coexisting with Linux means coexisting with the GPL, Darl.
Linux is free (2 meanings)
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So will SCO go after BSD in order to attack Linux?
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free has to many meanings for darl to understand
how does he know what SUSE did internally..
exactly
because he used to work at novell and now novell bought SUSE... thats SCO logic anyway
Darl_McBride: You should know, you're Darl.
Ex-SUSE exec is now at SCO (European Sales IIRC)
This guy is rambling. No coherence in his message. Stumbling.
he's not Darl
I'll have to find my head to answer that, oh wait.. it's up my ass.
Show's gonna be over by the time mplayer finishes filling its cache *grumble*
thought so
Arne.. Yup... exactly what I was thinking.. he's just bumbling along and knows it..
Show's started?
lol
Did you mean: ms://wm9.bur.synccast.com/demo/istream/live 04 ?
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show has not yet started
lol
tsotate: mplayer does streams?
2 lame horses
we need a Didiotic
what are your commentsa about his appearance and facial expressions? I find them telling
Is Jeff in the room?
DONT START LINUXSHOW until the mcbride keynot is over.. so we can talk about it.
4 Amazing he claim SCO will survive
he's an optimist
McGurk: He left out "... as a pile of rubble."
I'll make a prediction. SCOX tanks after court rules.
i believe the round table is in the same room as mcbrides talk... hence the delay...
He's an ignorant.
he meant... 4 SCO's legacy will survive...
He's not even looking at his audience, his eyes are constantly on his podium (i kid not)
also known as... don't claim your ip in linux unless you really have ip in linux (that you didnt' allready GPL()
Last slide a Horse not a Bull
Audience? There's a live audience? I don't hear any Bronx cheers?
4million to 60million and 9 million already paid to lawers?
WTF... 300 lbls linebackers and horse jockeys...
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They're being polite so the get to ask questions when the fun starts :)
IS he talking to children with this Horse story
No, SCOX is horse puckey.... hehehe
he's just talking
did they develop anything this year besides FUD?
nobodies listening anymore
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unless they are laughing inside
I hear music, no audio
yeah
Q&A
Anyone have info on audience?
No questions?
his body language... f' me... this is worth d'loading the archived copy for later... you know the simspons episode where Bart shows Lisa the moment she braeks Ralphs heart in slow-mo.. thats how transparent Darl's body language was#
fred: your missing hte mcbride keynote.
noboy aid
Yea sco invented, Samba, Apche, and somethings else too oh yea sumb lawsuits
different feed
audience=sco employees
that was the SCO Forum
where's the audio feed everyone is "talking" about?
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www.sco.com/cdxpo www.sco.com/cdxpo
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done now
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Ahhhh! The soothing tones of The Linux Show.
thnx
sco like GNU when it come samba
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this is going to be great
So, any questions about my Kenote?
fred -- go to The Linux Show site. http://www.thelinuxshow.com/
*Keynote?
All I'm getting is music. (thelinuxshow.com
Keynote: a mish-mash of random allegations, all false.
same here... i'm a linuxshow newb
all i'm getting is music too
john: you still got a few mins..
Darl Yes what was the point of it?
show has not started yet (the linux show) that is
just wait.
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waiting for the victims... i mean sco people
Music is the lead-in to the show. Please be patient.
Darl is still Mcblabbing
Have you seen our stock! Come on man!
* toga wonders where the sound comes out when someone has their head up their ass and talks?
...and enjoy the music. (or not).
That's Kevin.
Voice!!!
yea
go kevin!
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yoo hhooo
what roundtable? is this something different than normal?
What the heck is "mms" streaming format?
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yea it is D
microsoft medea something
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PhantomsDad: windows media 9, use mplayer to open it/
Microsoft multi media stream
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lo
lo
lo stock
It's Over now don't bother
'ello
over?
It's will be on the SCO website in an hour
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figures it would be microsoft media stream sheesh
is that Darl ?
is the aftershow over?
who?
Darl is over linuxshow about to begin
I gotta start feeding more things to mplayer.
ùÃù CTCP VERSION reply from Darl_McBride: xchat 2.0.0 Linux 2.4.21-0.13mdk
[i686/1200MHz]
IT's propriatory software man! What are you a communist hippie?
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almost ready...
Darl_McBride get you fingers from out Linux chat software!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111
afternoon? 5:45pm PT is 8:45pm est... what's the internet time for that
s/out/our/
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MGALUG: internettime = when it is ready
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hey hey momma
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lo chrisb
no, I like linux.
internettime=when the missus is asleep :P
A CRN interview with McBride.
hello
must be in an Elvis mood
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I heard Elvis was in vegas and was going to chime in on SCO
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lol
Quoting McBride "Our goal is not to blow up Linux. People ask why we don't go after the distributors...'If you have such a strong case, why not shut down Red Hat?' Our belief is that SCO has great opportunity in the future to let Linux keep going, not to put it on its back but for us to get a transaction fee every time it's sold. That's really our goal."
We have voice!
yeah!
Voice!!!
thats me
I have a secondary voice leaking in.
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What link is everyone using? I just get "Exiting... (End of file)"
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there is an open mic somewhere
<-- Richard has quit (Quit: Leaving) kinda spacey... need directional mic
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ah much better
evan_d - using linuxquestions mp3 stream
Typical lawyer talk......
ah better
yea
great here it goes
Yea, Jeff!!
kev... you saving the stream?
Jeff go!!!
;-)
yup
:)
i duplicated it... i used grep... found lots of files with "SMP"
:)
and i have a cron job recording from 8pm to 9:30 as a backup these days :)
u da man :)
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Not Chris_Sntttog, Chris Snotrag!!
Is Darl not actually at this roundtable?
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i don't think so
nope
What SCO IP?
who's speaking now?
who is currently speaking?
That's Chris Snotrag.
BS
I thought it was supposed to be a town-meeting-style questioning of Darl after his speech?
Gota be Sontag
SCO refused to show this 'code' to the judge.
snot_wipe
"don't hear much about that"?
ha ha ha
I"M SO STUPID
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lolbmb
a
What is he smoking?
full of it
"SCO IP" are some old tapes, which are the remains from some old unix programmer, which died 15 years ago...
linux is used to rob banks!
go get them
I dunno who this is
but owned by Novell originally
still is
<-- zx81 has quit (Quit: Read error: 666 (Connection reset by Satan)) RMS is a muslum extremest anarchist whos going to kill people someday... thats what i got from that slid
these guys spend too much time talking to each other behind closed doors, they believe their own bullshit
lol
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SCO refused to show this 'code' to the judge.
This 'code' is vaporware.
GNU software is written from scratch... Linux kernel code is writen from scratch. period. end of discussion.
SCO needs to fuck or get off the pot.
thats not an answer, idiot
Erm...I use the stream link off of the site, but it won't connect?
This is painful to listen to
is the show on yet?
SCO can only draw lines in the sand, but is fully unwilling to show the line
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It still opens my garage door ;)
or toe the line
stock: except for the piece SGI put into it
i'm sick of this SCOBAKKA Defense
curious_ they can have it back
Why are we having a town meeting? Everybody had to sign a NDA here?
Why a town meeting now maggots?
alan: its on, feedng a stream from a roundtable with Darl, among others.
no Darl
just Chris Sontag
they had it in mind
Oops, never heard, drew a wrong conclusion. In the end, is there much difference?
#include XXXXXXXXx (i just infringed)
and how is 'include/asm-m68k/spinlock.h' copied code?
Fred Flinstone should be allowed to sue Chrysler, GM and Ford because they stole the idea of the wheel.
opus -- Jeff is in Las Vegas. Darl just gave his keynot.
and SCO can have their pieces back, if a court ruling has said so. In the mean time, the "offended" code is already out in the open, even before "The SCO Group" even existed. actually its only Caldera which has a right to speak up here.
it's only 6 lines long! geez
keysnot
Arne: keynot. I love it.
Were hearing the Branch Davidians here.
key-NOT!
lolrotf
Their about to climb into their school bus.
yea
they need to go back to school.
why can't he just say X was copied from Y
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(the "short" school bus)
heavens gate
didn't they allready show us something about non literal copying and obfukscated... i'm seem to remember it not working to well
SCO HAS DNA?
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DNA? Did O.J. steal it?
Real off topic..but does anyone know the longest that a Linux server has ran before crashing?
Chris Snotrag is talking
They are going after BSD
Jeff Gerhardt speaking.
Respect for the law? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Wish someone would ask about the reverse IE GNU going into Openware
go Jeff. :)
If these assholes have respect for the law, they why didn't they tell the JUDGE what was stolen!
long before SCO tried to take over
They had their fingers up their butts that day!
"We're not going to lay out the whole case" lol
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yep :)
tell them Jeff
you da man
Now that they're actually _in_ a lawsuit, shouldn't they? :)
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* Darl_McBride is thinking...
go jeff!
WHere's ESR
* Darl_McBride is now lost..
what was the question again?
is this ESR?
MGALUG indeed.. ESR would only be needed in the audience, to heat it up :)
No, that's Jeff
The Judge from a decade ago cleared all the UNIX code in the BSD VS At&T thing.
SCO needs a clue here.
thanks Arne
Yeah, Jeff
exactly
opus_: Actually, BSDI and USL settled
Chris Snotrag talking
SCOHA
but it's still pretty settled
which leaders ??
Yeah! And look how they settled.
you trying to get us going on Snotrag name
Arne yes he has a uncleaned nose ??
BSD code that is!
Turning up the FUD....
trying to pull it out
If it was by accident, you'd think they'd be receptive to fixing it. In fact, SGI did.
it didn't get pulled
tsotate: there is a rumor that SCO may reopen that case
The Judge told them to get out of his court! There were no winners.
it got put on top of a saturn IV
it was already pulled b/c it sucked.
That beep-beep might have been Eric calling into Webley.
oops
saturn V
what example?
They did pull it out.
They will continue to do so
Arne so Eric will contribute in some way to discussion?
Arne so Eric will contribute in some way to this discussion?
Linus will be certain of that
I've not heard such shit since the NAZI's were trying to determine I.Q. from the shapes of young peoples skulls.
Is Eric there?
how are they getting the feed. Sounds quite good?
ESR is supposed to join the discussion at some point. But I think it may be after the town meeting. I just don't know.
Their derivatively stupid here.
Is this feed being fed to the round table
group?
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Be great to hear him weigh in
This may be David Schatsky...
<-- Darl_Mckracken has quit (Remote host closed the connection) how 'bout FREE!
fair?
"god help us" is required when your talking about the US legal system
yea... GPL=FREE
whwaa whaa whaaa
free is GOOD!
Their still giving away Linux on the SCO website.
ask him about the GPL
We just want what's coming to us, we just want our fair share.
He's still not defining what "their IP" is, is he?
Who is talking
And he's never going to
we all switch to FREEBSD... screw them
I'll start pirating linux if hell freezes over.
I'm not sure. But this is Chris Snotrag
Here comes the FUD...
Arne No the other guy
FreeBSD is next, when SCO looses the Linux case :)))))
BS BS
I'm writing my congressman to call for a formal Department of Justice investigation of SCO tonight.
What law?
he must have trained under Gates
is this Didiotic?
The other is a techie guy, so I suspect that it's David Schatsky
nah
who's amy
carly is also there?
Moderator is Jack Powers....
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i though Laura Dideo was supposed to be apart of this
How about insider trading?
http://www.newsforge.com/business/03/11/18/1742216.shtml?tid=2&tid=82&tid=85&tid=94
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well look like Darl needs to think about that "urban legend" again
thats re bsd
She's apparently not there, so she is apart from it... hehehe
DiDio has gone 180 degree now
what is this
Arne is eric also present somewhere on that Hall meeting ?
I'm sure she will again. She seems that sort.
He's avoids the argument about GPL
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Yes he is...
GPL is a very big issue
This isnt about IP protection, it's about IP landgrab and marketshare landgrab... it is literally the acts of desparation, the very actions of a drowning man grasping at any passing log.. if SCO want to grab at the log-looking crocodile that is the BSD settlement then hell, let 'em, it'll bite them in the ass :D
SCO source licensing == MS Licensing 7.0
That's Jeff Gerhardt.
He can't very well face the argument that in the incredibly unlikely case that sco beats IBM, they _still_ can't legally distribute or license linux
no answer to the GPL is a license part.
What happens when Hurd becomes usable?
GPL is briljant... the only way for them out of the GPL, is a court ruling saying a GPL license is illegal...
as sco doesn't own any of the contributions made by other developers
Jose By 2035 SCO is gone
be a cold Day I think
maybe we should stick a meat hook thru Darl's ass and make him into a pinata
lol
I have a bat!!
harsh, but apt
SCO was doomed long before this. This is just a money grab.
jose, good! ;)
I'm shocked somebody hasn't run their asses around a tree somewhere with a glock.
What does it take for the SEC to become suspicious and get involved?
and is M$ behind the curtain?
* Darl_McBride laughs at Opus.
Keep working you'll get them to say "Buy Microsoft"
Wonder how much mafia is involved in Linux investments?
The SEC has its own problems they are still dealing with
Oh hell, he's trying to say everything developed is SCO property
i understand that al queda terrorists wrote most of the linux kernel
That's a good question, StarTux. I think some existing shareholders or other insiders would have to complain or play blow-the-whistle
hit them with why they ship samba with SCO !!!
to a community.
If the coders are lax, does that make SCO the laxative?
This is all supposition -- a bunch of bullshit.
JUst like the Caldera stringers did
yeah - ask about them shipping Samba as their windows compatibility.
mwg: lmao rotf
Okay, I came in late. We don't REALLY have Darl here, right?
yes they can prove it because its documented in the BSD cases
That's Jeff again.
wftl: No, we don't.
tell them Jeff
And what about a class action lawsuit for those usingWonder when/if someone with SCO will blow the whistle?
Whew!
Go Jeff!!! Woo Hoo!!
that's why Linux is such a threat to MS and SCO
oh yeah
thast right
Shoot, sorry...When will someone wihtin SCO blow the whistle?
i love linux... so i hate IP rights
Hasn't any of these people heard of the BSD VS At&T settlement? There are NO UNIX RIGHTS ANYMORE!
slander!
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HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
software patents are not the same thing as copyright
It's LONG OVER FOLKS!
wftl == Marcel Gagne of Linux Journal.
is it me, or does Chris Sontag sound like Bruce Dern
but if you are a lying sack of shit, you mix the two
There IS PRECIDENT HERE!
Good question, I wish I knew...
wait... isn't the only patent issue involved here gainst sco?
There's nothing left to say except, "I'll see you in court".
and sco is filled with lying sacks of shit
kill them all
Arne : there go all my secrets.
Why did not SCO say there was their IP in the 2.4 kernel when I go there is the first place in the 2.3 stage?.
What per review is there for propritory code?
How can sontag actually claim that _we_ have no review process? You can just google for the entire history of any bit of code
tbagnara -- That *is* Bruce Dern who plays Chris Snotrag on TV.
Richard briljant remark : All code goes into 2.3.xx first anyway!
oh yeahhh..
Richard: Ransom Love was still in charge at that time
Right ON!
Welcome Marcel.
next Torvalds announces a feature freeeze
Arne--Acutally it is Bruce Dern doing a Jack Nicholoson impression
This has already been decided!
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SCO has just sued for a popcorn farm.
but the BSD settlement required ONLY that copyright notice be given on a very small number of files
but that doesn't mean SCO owns that code
They did not say anything about 2.3 kernel.
It would really shock me if the world didn't rain down counter lawsuits for billions of dollars against SCO for thsi act of terrorism.
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the settlement specifically states that no license nor royalties need to be paid
no license is required nor any royalty paid
essentially it is code terrorism... kill Linux
just acknowledge the copyright
that's what they truly want to do
SCO that is
and that clause sticks to all successors
Get the dept. of homeland security on SCO!
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hope you guys on the ROundtable can read this
I think the only limitation on the BSD code was the advertising clause in their license.
kill them all
I
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warthawg and the BSD license however allows third party software vendors, to snatch the code, and earn the cash with it anyway.
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that's like patenting Gravity... Sir Isaac Newton, we owe you money for that one
This is the first major frivilous lawsuit of the new century.
Quoting McBride "Our goal is not to blow up Linux. People ask why we don't go after the distributors...'If you have such a strong case, why not shut down Red Hat?' Our belief is that SCO has great opportunity in the future to let Linux keep going, not to put it on its back but for us to get a transaction fee every time it's sold. That's really our goal."
IT has reverse precident.
warthawg i assume the GPL doesn't allow this.
It's dangerous.
4.4BSD is completely unencumbered except for the requirement to show the copyright notice on a few files
It's illegal in the respect that SCO has milked innocent investors into high priced stock with it's actions.
USL agreed to that, and SCO must live by it
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These people need to be behind bars.
Opus agreed
Opus yep
Definitely
so now SCO is the RIAA of operating systems?
Yeah asshole, CD sales have also declined!
Amy... It is free... most people ... where have you been... what planet. Everyone I know... Everyone who uses Linux, has a FREE version of Linux. It's free. Period
i like this Steven J. Henry, Chair, IP Transactions Group, Wolf, Greenfield & Sacks, P.C.
Interesting that he's also shilling for the RIAA -- setting up for his next job after bailing when SCO is bankrupted?
Maybe the problem is that they have been *in* bars a bit too often.
They are openly flaunting the United States Justice department.
duede :)
If Chewbacca does not make sense you must acquit. Here look at the monkey , look at the silly monkey.
No, As detestable as it is, The RIAA does hold the rights to which it claims, SCO doesn't :P
If Martha goes to jail then so does SCO.
RIAA is full of it
Martha didn't do nearly as much wrong as SCO has done this year.
sh
they are up to seven million
that is
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I own the music I buy
7 million glaring lines, and they can't show even one of them ROFL
not them
lol :))))
no way in hell 7 million
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for example, include/asm-m68k/spinlock.h
Vennt -- RIAA has rights to music by bilking artists out of their original rights.
Hey gang, is SCO really on is someone just pulling my leg?
Did SCO ever react to that code check announcement from the ESR utility?
come on!
When will SCO actually show us the evidence?
thanks Arne... exactly
what they do
sparticus: not on this channel no
SCO has no code to show
Jump in there, Jeff!!!
thats why they are raising the BSD issue
They should have brought their 'Expert Witnesses' to the IBM trial!
Don't think SCO ever reacted.
warthawg SCO has no code to show, which is _owned_ by SCO.
:)
*can't find the stream link*
StarTux: They'll either show _something_ Dec 5, or their case will get dismissed :)
It's not in SCO's best interest to show anything. It's not even in their best interest to actually go to court with IBM.
They showed no code and the judge asked them for it. They denied coverage to the judge.
If it gets dismissedm, what happens to SCO?
They should be held in contempt of court, their assets should be seazed and the board of directors should be sentenced to hard time.
Opus, they _what_? I hadn't heard about this one..
IBM will eat their ass for lunch... who's got more lawyers... money and knowledge?
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StarTux: They get screwed hard in the countersuit
tsotate: No. There are oral arguments on Dec 5. If SCO doesn't give good excuses, they will be given a deadline to produce discovery items. After the deadline, then they are dead meat.
hit them Jeff
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why didn't anyone on the panel point out that the code copying was BSD code
from earlier
Is Expert witness enough? Don't think so...Showing code, then one has to prove on how it got there
BSD BSD BSD
<-- AceRimmer has quit (Quit: Client exiting) Arne, yes, but it's the artist who sign the contacts allowing them to do so :( - Like I said, detestable, but the truth is the two (SCO & RIAA) can't be compared
jeffppc jeff is doing right now
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What happened under Ransom Love?
in court, SCO hasn't claimed any copyright violations. It doesn't matter if they think they've got copied code if they don't show it in court.
SCO's proof of frivilousness is in the fact they sued IBM first and it was discovered their litigation was really with another party.
lo knoppix
StarTux Ransom Love fucked up, as CEO of Caldera
All that code could easily been put there at one time by SCO themselves
very interesting show
Ransom Love publish Under GPL Linux 2.4
over already?
Their just suing people because they can.
thats it?
"Go forth and be open" ?
They hnever had intent.
That was much shorter than I expected
Darl looks like such a moron
"Sco forth and be open" I thought
STay tuned everybody. The Linux Show team will be on the air momentarily.
i think they could have been much harder on sco
i had to listen do McDork talk for longer than that
I think it's time for Arne and the news.
anyone surprised it was short
we don't get the Q&A?
Phone noises on the stream....
Well, just another FUD-fest. Very disappointing. I think Jeff did a good job, tho.
Jeff is calling in...
time to smoke then.. brb.
Did I miss the show?
Its not going to be in court '05....
ok... we're waiting
It was painful
news, please - this SCO stuff makes me sick ;-)
knoppix: I'm not sure, the link on the site doesn't work
At least they did show up I guess
i need to SCO throwup
SCO's case will not go to court, but IBM's countersuit will be going to court.
Music !!!! again
lol
Is this it or what?
Kevin? Are you taping this I hope?
awesome - a double-length feature show tonight!!
potty break
warthawg: Darl doesn't look like a moron. Darl IS a moron.
Kev is
is windows ready for the desktop?
Chris Sontag and Darl, might get to share a nice cell with Bubba :)
Too short. Would love to see photos. I'd be interested in seeing if SCO's rep. was grinning or frowning.
got it cronjob'd too
sjohnson well that sums it up , pretty
This was a night of tuff talk from people who had no position.
warthawg -- rofl!
Guys, I joined this party late. Where was the event happening?
pants ;)
someone needs to do a stress evaluation on sontag's audio
warthawg: WIndows drove me to find Linux, so it's ready to that degree. :-)
brad: The only link I found that worked was the Real stream.
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Lost Wages, Nevada.
he was stressed
http://stream.linuxquestions.org:8000/linuxlive worked for me
Well JEff was there, I'm really looking for to his commentary
I using ogg
very nervous
warthawg: No, has issues with hardware, but does have plenty of commercial games. Also, basic applications tend to be expensive
just did the evaluation
mentally
http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive5.ram
no code for that...
http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive3.ram
StarTux: not to mention being a security disaster
http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive1.ram
MP3 stream was great here
http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive2.ram
mpg123 http://stream.linuxquestions.org:8000/linuxlive
Folks! The real reason BSD never got into trouble was the judge knew then that most of this source code wasn't developed by AT&t either!
Here too.
mine is great LQ stream mp3
XMMS will work for the stream right?
It was developed by people around the country for free under open licenses of the day.
Opus: i was talking to Kirk about that this afternoon
oGG is sounding great!
brad... yea
They had no rights to it to begin with.
XMMS does. I'm using it now.
using xmms right now
http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive5.m3u <-- mp3 what is this, Jefferson Starship?
Xmms works with Ogg
using xmms on mp3 stream
I usually use the ogg stream, but I was having problems earlier, someone suggested the MP3 and xmms has been doing fine with it tonight.
not lost a single word tonight
http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive3.m3u
well, XMMS would be good... if I'd bothered installing a gui
http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive1.m3u
amazing grace
btw thanks to groklaw for letting me know about this ;)
http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive2.m3u
mplayer works fine, though
Sounds a little like Starship, doesn't it?
Opus: Yeah, AT&T couldn't even follow the the BSD license and give the BSD folks credit.
WOW, 75 people - a new high!
stock: thanks alot, it's going now :)
Wharthogge: definitely
The V32 code is all but public domain. It would just take a bit of legal pushing to get a judge to make the determination.
17 months! This sounds as long as the first time around with BSD. IT seemed like forever.
I love Groklaw !!!!
brad always check http://www.linuxshow.com/
What was it, 2-3 years total before the judge said to them they were full of crap and to get out of here.
brad always check http://www.thelinuxshow.com/
Its SCOship Enterprise and its heading into trouble, Captain McBride is drunk at the helm again! Chief Boies has lost his bearings...Tune in next week for the final episode of SCOship Enterprise
sorry :)
We're BACK!!!
Who are the successors in interest to USL/BSDI? Novell and Wind River?
Hopefully there are people here from Groklaw. I send PJ a e-mail mentioned the Townhall and PJ put in on the top story.
should we be surprised? the American legal system is all about lining the pockets of the lawyers
Who could be stupid enought to sue over exactly the same thing a judge dismissed 12 years ago?
is it love .... is it hate ... are we testing fate...?
Who could be that stupid?
We're BACK!!!
We're BACK!!!
We're BACK!!!
hehe :)
segfault number 2
Great sound!
Yeah even the remote sounded good
I'm sure she's listening in and will have another excellent review of everything said.
hey Arne
I think IBM can keep SCO in court for years. If IBM can hold the govement back for 10 years SCO should happen in about 20 years
Hiya!
Don't hold back Jeff....
stock: yeah, I will ;)
i'm disappointed that there was no chair throwing. dammit.
Keynot address.
FUD
to be sure
Key-knot?
_Please_, do Jeff.
Keynot address
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so what did darl allow?
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fudnote address?
where's the Jerry Springer bouncers?
windows media format only?
Jeff never go into a open forum, without PDA, blackberry or even a live IRC session on #linuxshow@irc.thelinuxshow.com :)
Darl has had a histroy of being into sueing...
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I can probably play that anyhow...
win media plays fine on mplayer under Linux
wouldn't it be a shame if the SCO website got slashdotted?
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Yes, a terrible shame...
escalated?
slow down Jeff... get a breath
Newsome: why would that help or whatever
Escalating Bozos. What an picture that paints
Bandits, that's ok name. Just don
headlines on sco.com = Darl McBride Ranked in Top 25 IT Executives for 2003
Remember to breathe. Passing out on the show will panic a lot of people.
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't call us Microsoft
you bandits! all of you!
The SCO Group are a bunch software pirates.
Libel!
Truth!!
soon to be Butt pirates in prision
Hey guys. I'm having trouble dialilng in. When I hit the usual magic numbers, nothing happens.
gonna have to kill them
this is doc, btw
Newsome: Know you're joking, but doing something along those lines only gives them ammunition
help doc
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Time for everyone in the open source community to start filing slander suits (or is it libel suits, I can never keep them straight)...
Don't kill them, let them spend a few year in the Federal Pen!
we need his voice
Jeff they have some spare sandwhiches left? only 1000 visitors for a whole week?
Darl wimped out. LOL
Ok, how can we make a class action lawsuit againt Sontag and McBride?
If that have million of lines of code how about 1000 or so that will can lookup
it up
Bastard!!!!!
That was Eric Raymond
Sneaky bastich, that one.
Impromptu press coverance with McBride. Bastard.
where is Eric Raymond
class action suit? I'm saying each open source developer should file _individual_ suits....
He's on
is anybody from the show listening in here? Jeff? Arnie? Kevin? Kev, maybe you should call me on my cell.
that is esr
Listen for him
warthawg i heard eric
...was
I hear things a few seconds in advance.
Wharthogge: Kinda poor to do an individual suit :)
Jeff sounds like he's about to pass out again.,..
Who was "Amy" in the round table?
What was Eric's comment?
jeffppc: inhale, exhale..
Me too, and I'm not a developer, at least not yet...
Here comes ESR
Steven J. Henry, Chair, IP Transactions Group, Wolf, Greenfield & Sacks, P.C "So why didn't IBM settle with you guys?? tell me :))"
lol :)
Jeff, calm down.
Jeff is a huffin' and a puffin'
Where is NZ_heretic? Must be suffering post world cup blues...
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lol:)
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show who is talk now
chris snotrag
ESR
Doc is trying t link in to judge from his entries here.
Eric Raymond
81 in IRC! woo hoo
I'm not tryhing to link in. I'm trying to call the show. It isn't working.
MGALUG: Thanks
chris sontag should wipe his nose before entering a Town Hall panel... for sake , his ass even too :)
yup
ESR is being sooooo restrained.
stock: Nah he'd have to get out of Darl's ass for that
All I have to say is that you guys are saints, I couldn't have resisted the chance to throw eggs at Darl
Where is Eric site
hello
woops
doc: That's what I meant, poor terminology on my part.
argx: Why waste a good egg on him?
lol!
Yes, use a bad egg...
StarTux: Who said anything about good ones? They rot, eventually ;)
KevDude: you helping doc?
I bet they hired someone about 2 years ago to plant the code, wait it out till some big companies invested in it, so they could make money on litigation.
ESR - do you have any info on the SGI code that was removed that SGI determined was "questionable at best"?
"So why didn't IBM settle with you guys?? tell me :))" ohh!!! $3 billion was kinda tough ehh?
they are full of shit
mac586: It was a memory allocation (malloc) routine that SGI had put in the kernel for IA-64 support.
This is a gamble. SCO thinks they can convince a judge that they own everything UNIX. IBM thinks not.
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Dunno, shit came from something useful...
hey everybody
something we eat
he Nama
Right .. malloc was what was shown at the forum. I'm asking about the mini-cleanup and analysis SGI conducted back in Oct / refernece the SGi letter to the community
what about the test fase of the 2.4 kernel : 2.3.xx kernel series?
doc -- just got in.... if Kev heard me
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oh yah i remember that SGI letter
83... whoa!
talking about "removing" sensitive code
welcom doc
or something
what if there is nobody mentioned as owner?
I heard a beep. Is DOc in?
should be...
<-- Convert has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624]) how is it contributed without an owner?
The "audit trap" can be turned on SCO though. I'm sure IBM are thinking of doing so in the court trial...
The law works?
The audit process they want would devalue open source development... and allow them to compete
<-- slack_water has quit (Ping timeout: 182 seconds) no hanging in, hanging in?
Say some of the BSD code that didn't have a copyright on it
KeyNOT address.
awe god i think russ said
audit trap indeed. bitkeeper would be a better log as it's _very_ public.
Im not too worried about IBM. They seem to be able to take care of themselves.
That's part of my point, mcleodnine.
"I'm not suehappy.... Yet."
In IBM's eyes the case is already over. The have already won.
no kidding
its was over before it started
I'll sue you all!
cause the community has nothing to hide
How do they intend to sue a Linux user for copyright infringement without showing the code? Have I missed something here?
Users in court in 90 days? When the IBM case is 17 months away!
17 months! cripes.
Is this the cart before the hoursw?
Where is ESR testing pr relase
We need to do a better job explaining peer review, and how thorough it is versus the classic waterfall development model. More testing, more thorough testing, more testing outside of the box. No limitation on time, cost, or schedule, to get the kernel out the door.
So hit him with a clue-by-four.
horse
toga: He's just trying to pump the stock price back up -- 90 days might as well be 'never'
Quote of the week :
"The people who develop open-source code," Perens said, "are getting tired of being told that they have to pay to use it."
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heh
he applies that interpretation of our motives because it suits his purpose, to characterize us as thieves
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ESR: Where is the site with code checks he did?
well you remember torvalds's quote about how he himself worked on some of the smp irq code
Richard -- Google is your friend
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Go to the OSI site.
"Notes from the SCO conference call" http://lwn.net/Articles/58915/
they are living in a crack smoking world
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I heard the quotes around the word economic there.
Found it: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html
FUD filled and intelligence free? A new diet food?
heh
get your daily dose
not
and they don't like sharing their crack
"SCO CEO: Novell-SuSE breaks SCO contract" http://lwn.net/Articles/58856/
yah i saw that
so funny
hehe SCO is building shit on all fronts?
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And thanks to MS fat, todays computers are slower than 10 years ago.
cant be trained like that, your born to talk bullshit like them
MS is the OS for fatasses.
Copyrights and Patents are the death of innovation and thus the U.S. or A.
heh, if all we have *is* IP protectionism, then we *are* just plain farked.
exit
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doc
protecting IP from tech workers, is maybe a thing only College Business school people can up with.
Have you seen the supposed "non-compete" clause? - Looks like it's dependant on SCO's Linux IP in Unix BS, (i.e. it's just an agreement not to use the code sold to SCO to compete with SCO, not a general "don't compete in out marketplace")
OSS is built off of Copyright system
I believe in copyright, I just think it's out of control.
like improving revenue by moving tech jobs to the far east Chine e.g.
Does that mean without moonlight we can't moon?
Vennt: not to mention that it's a contract with Tarentella, not scox
exactly
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8892
a must see
hehe SCO TP :)
lol
hah
I bet it has 1500 single ply sheets.
also ...
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8898
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I'd be afraid to use SCO TP, they might try to claim my tailbone.
Darl: "I need IP for my Lawsuit, hehe hehehe hehehe, pass me the remote butthead *to Blake*
terracon give one SCO TP roll to Chris Snotrag :)
heh
Foks! There was software code before there was software copyright.
arne's new desktop wallpaper for sure :)
Software copyright occured some 30 years after the first software code.
Nobody thought of it.
We could take this perhaps farther, almost 100 years to a point in time before the civil war.
i just the SCO TP as my "wallpaper"
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lots of actual listening tonight.. low IRC activity...
Yes
Patended XML?
anger stops the vrain and keys from working ;-)
Yeah, for MSWord documents
brain - duh!
that's MS's idea... sure
ohhhh : $ cat whitebox-release
White Box Enterprise Linux release 3 (Liberation)
Is the show still going?
I need to go out and patent my database schemas.
http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/
That was theat idiot Didio the initial claimed the sco code was lene for line same as Linux
Yes the show is on now
I would have paid to have seen Sontag explode.
Why _not_ attack Darl physically?
snotrag was very nervous
we could hear it
wow!
I would have paid to see Darl attacked too. Cage match.
I still say Chris sounds like Bruce Dern
Why attack a porcupine?
by the way, how many Boise, Schiller, Flexner employees are logged in to this channel now, show of hands?
that is great
I'll bake it!
Cannot connect through Ogg stream
HAHAHHAH!!! Unbelievable.
rediculous
does Darl sleep quite at night still??
THey did it to BIll, why not Darl?
That pie make your pocket messy? ;)
cow pie
They are publicly, visibly and (to many) inevitably on the backfoot... and the stocks not staying propped up... of course he is nervous :P
hmmm Jeff next time take Eric with ya :)
heh
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After Darl made his keynote, did they clean the stage with disinfectent?
lol
ohhh and all this is happening at COMDEX Las Vegas?????
no they burned it
Hard to communicate diseases cross-species
yah stock
lolrotf
Namaseit wow...
I can see Darl coming onto stage doing one of those Dancemonkeyboy dances.
i wish i coulda gone, i have family in las vegas and i woulda had free room and board
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i can see darl coming onto stage in a glass case like the pope
Apache needs to work on SSL implementation. They hold a much smaller share of the secure server market.
chris surly had too much coffee again
too much crack
A short IP definition - http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/std/faq/question1.htm
If they use the glass cage make ure there are no air holes or someone might gas him. :-)
Too many weasel genes....
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Namaseit with all that security regulations Sontag and Mcbride have a high cash burnrate... that $50 million won't last long. And hey!! they are in Vegas!!! :))
they are shooting craps
well they are drug addicts, so that 50 mil wont last long either way. I mean how else do you explain this whole thing?
nah... you have odds of winning at craps :P
Solaris was based on BSD.
yah
See the UNIX tree map.
Opus: SunOS was BSD. Solaris is based on System V.
Darl McBride is gonna see if he can double that 50 mil at the slots
SunOS <= 4.x was based on BSD SunOS >= 5 is based on SVr4.
Sontag and mcBride will say : Cause you commu hippes robbed our sourcecode!!!"
exactly... Linux is going to survive...
Unixware was based on LSD :P
hehe
cant kill something that has no center entity or control source
He's in Vegas to play the Linux Lottery
not like buying out a business
nope... bsd is
speaking on doc's comments
hello... berkley! ;)
This whole SCO thing shows the world that America is dead as a commercial model. That this is what the stock market stands for.
Evil and corruption.
Opus my thoughts/words
SCO is trying everything possible to stay alive just long enough to get their stock to 20 bucks.
For the Department of Justice to tolerate SCO in this day and age speaks very poorly of the Bush Administration.
no kidding
Nah... the operating system as a commercial model - the entire basis of MS Billions - is dead.
Miguel or any Mono Developer.
They should sue MS for stealing the BSD TCP/IP stack.
They be hyper excited
M$ bought a license.
Opus.... give them time :P
the commercial model had it's day, now it's just holding back progress
what is so funny is that we are even in this situation, that linux has become so big that such companies like MS are actually scared of FOSS. Its just mind blowing that a company with their resources is so fucked up.
Guess they weren't happy with trumpet winsock.
MS TCP stack is no longer BSD's. They bought someone elses. Don't recall who's.
Opus: Keep in mind, unlike SCO, the various government agencies don't neccessarily make press releases before doing things
Where's the BEEF!
sjohnson, why let facts get in the way, that ain't the SCO way :P
sorry BEEF turned out to be in SCO's IP so no gets beef anymore
Trust me. If there is a way to fuck up, Bush will do it.
DEADBEEF wheee
hell, MS can't exist without Linux... check their Update Servers (renting Akamai servers)
They're giving SCOX enough rope to hang themselves
Vennt: Touche
since their OS is crap.
He'd buy the fuckers airplane tickets to escape to south america.
Remember ENRON!
Scott!
what about when the Bush admin. took over and all the sudden MS monoply was over
I need to find my pictures of Sadam's dinner with current Bush department heads some 20 years ago. Best buds.
I actually have a lot more hope on a state level, though
gnudoodler - you mean the case that was settled with far too few penalties?
Yes
Yep
NY Attorney General is really getting off on taking down companies doing stuff like this
Java Desktop System
tsotate: It's going to be touch at a state level. MS is buddy, buddy with a number of State officials.
sunray is it
JDS = Mad Hatter
Don't knock US/Corporate world too much, corruption is *worldwide* and at least in the US it only co$ts money, not lives :) (And this coming from a non-US person who finds the US *scary*)
yea... China is going to Linux way big
sjohnson: I meant SCO, not MS
500million
500 Million? That's rather a lot. I think...
tsotate: Ah.
Opus: they're all crooks, no matter the party affiliation, get over it. :)
#define WHITE_BOX BIOX_WITHOUT_M$_OEM_CONTRACT
well you heard of the SUN deal right?
#define WHITE_BOX BOX_WITHOUT_M$_OEM_CONTRACT
they are making the best move.
no it's half million
and their "java" desktop
I think he means 500 thousand
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personally I hate Sun
I'd love to see Darl present China with a multi-billion dollar Invoice for all those desktops.
of course China wants Linus, they're communist for pete's sake.
It's really no wonder why we have aged souls playing ring around the tree with attorney's.
doc... McGurk says 1/2 mil
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but still, 1/2 is lots
I don't mind sun. I don't love or hate
There is no justice nor pride in America anymore, Just SCO.
mac586: Good one.
I have a Sun monitor
#define WHITE_BOX_OS WHITE_BOX_ENTERPRISE_LINUX
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why not china? ...
Scott Mcnealy "Stay Tuned" (tm)
http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20031117S0015
I had to help someone the other day with a Dell. The 'tech support' had trashed her TCP/IP stack...
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The new third world >>> G7
typical fo rDell
I always thought Sun would buy RedHat. But then again, I thought they were going to buy Apple too.
Novell will buy Sun
hmm. i just grepped the swap file on a win95 box and look what i found: $NetBSD: fifo_vnops.c,v 1.18 1996/03/16 23:52:42 christos Exp $ */
Sun wouldn't buy redhat. They think their Solaris is too strong
They don't have enough money to buy Sun.
something they need
not yet
Hmmm. I wonder if SuSE runs on Sun boxen...
No the . in Dot com was good If only because everyone can remember it
I think he's overstating the importance of IBMs ads
SUN should take care not to drift to the same fate as DIGITAL did.
The REAL positive publicity IBM is getting is from beating SCO like a red-headed stepchild
would anyone really notice if sun did drift that way?
and it looks like ftp.exe in win95 includes BSD code, but that's it
It captured the Zeitgeist perfectly and was a clue to the tech communuty that knew the top level domain dns servers ran on Sun
Digital wasn't a "drift", it was a power-dive.
You just can't buy publicity like that
some of the Sun stuff looks cool though. The Sun Ray's look neat. Never used one but they look cool with the java card
Wharthogge tru... but they didn't make it
I need to hear another big IBM open handed slap before the week is out. High in entertainment value.
ray norta
Hey, look what else I see on my Windows box swap fiel '$NSA - fifo-vnops.c.v. .53 Patriot Act - back door key daemon - uptime 34 minutes'.
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Probably will get a Novell/IBM hand slap soon...
Noorda
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Wasn't it that JBoss guy that said MoFo every other word?
Is Noorda in a coma? The Novell - Suse thing was his vision years ago.
Opus: :)
knoppix: Yep
Opus... Please report to your nearest federally sanctioned re-education center, compliance is obligatory ;)
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I think it's arguable that Noorda was in a coma all along....
breakup
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Good point Wharthogge
No beers?
4AM? Ouch!
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hey
SCO is going to be pissing their pants in court. They are going to get ripped apart
is this a live show
Why go to bed early, why not just stay up late? :)
I did a 4am trip to Boston last week. Now I have a cold. Funny how that works
Well, we knew that SCO were blowhards.
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what happened with the 5.30pm PT show
the Town Hall show
Their going to need another cash overlay or they won't make it the full 17 months.
05...Long enough to pump the market
Read Groklaw!!! Visit www.groklaw.
haha
http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=46153
I'd expect to see Sun or MS infusing some more $$$
Darl interview on CRN
They need to pump the market, or they forfeit to Baystar
dive SCO stock dive
Dive! Dive! Dive!
geez.. why where does this game remind me off?
Opus all good butt buddies get 50M per quarter.
well they gotta dupe some more 50 million dollars deal
That is from the conference call this afternoon with Boies. Wall St J was one of the reporters allowed to ask a question
CRN: The whole issue of customer lawsuits... you will be suing someone within 90 days?
McBride:Tthey said within 90 days but I would qualify that and say I'll be surprised if we get beyond 60 days
<-- LinuxRiC has quit (Quit: opie&anthony rule) If SCOX's stock falls too far, they hit the penalty clause in their Baystar contract, and Baystar owns them
hehe
tsotate interesting
lol
You can't withhold evidence asked for by a judge either.
Have faith in IBM. IBM is slowly starting to put the legal squeeze on SCO.
That's contempt of court.
Judge: What is your evidence? SCO: Its secret but just believe us
IBM is like a giant, legal anaconda..
IBM is doing it right, staying cool, and doing their homework
wondered when that would come
This is 'OPEN' manipulation of stock trades.
oh a song
haha
lol:)))))
don't forget red hat vs sco
if that's true, let's see SCO try to get a TRO. they won't.
Why are they not in Federal court on charges like Martha Stewart is?
SUSE derivative of SYSV? LOL. Its a derivative to Slackware, which is...
people, what happened with the Town hall meeting?
SCO is Martha Stewart X50.
Opus, our legal system is VERY slow
The non Compete was with Tarantella SCO bought the assets
It's fucking non existant.
Hey, it's all derived from the ENIAC.
like the Monkeyboy flash
Because Marth makes cookies sco make nothing
Darl is missing the mount. The non-compete only applies to Novels royalty-free license to use the System V code in the Asset Purchase Agreeement.
Martha
s/mount/point/
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SCO is threatening the world and manipulating it's stock. This is illegal.
sco is mount /dev/null
cat darl_brain > /dev/null
Why does the press come to the conferences?
Darl does not care about the point, its the falling stock price!
How do you get from point to mount? Wow, I don't want to give you root pw
lawyers get all the money
McBride: "We're on the side of the silent majority"
Jzarecta: The Townhall was record. Look for the the last weeks show a few hoours after the show ends.
jmizell bingo
sjohnson, thanks
Darl and Chris Sontag need to spend time with Bubba!
No SCO's lawyers only 20%
They're well practiced at "sounding sincere" by now.
Come on, they not doing FUD. Its damn lies.
Try the new game 'Stock Market' from SCO. :-)
I don't know what Darl is shooting for after SCO gets brought down, but Sontag is _clearly_ shooting for a executive position at RIAA
CIO of Microsoft??
Hollywood won't hire Sontag if they go after the animation studios
yah no kidding
It's some bozo going grep -i "SMP|RCU|JFS|NUMA"
We peaked at 77 or 78 people tonight, a new record.
shouldn't be a issue
<-- Chris_Snotttog (~n8osapi@adsl-155-7-12.tys.bellsouth.net) has left #linuxshow My peak here was 83.
surely you mean grep -wli
Think it was 80 or so
83
Yep. 83 people peak in IRC
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IBM knows they have a good postion
IBM is applying the legal squeeze. And they are getting even tougher with their motions.
Is it just me or did sontag just "sound" like a douche bag
douche bag
Dunno, what's a douche bag sound like?
snotrag
Definitely weasel-oid.
douch water
heh
Read GROWLAW. Visit www.groklaw.net. Best discussion site for the SCO vs IBM case.
I agree with Arne.
Read GROKLAW. Visit www.groklaw.net. Best discussion site for the SCO vs IBM case.
yah, IBM doesnt just go jumping into anything
machine!
IBM asked for specific documents related to the case.
I want to hear Eric's comment Please
1,000,000 pages of print outs.
paper tape?
A scanner is a machine... :-)
Second worst thing that could happen at this point would be for the SCO case to be thrown out or dismissed and IBM not to follow through with their own case.
NBo just print outs.
paper gate
Nobody left at SCO to make a tape of the source code.
5.25" floppies
i prefer to pay the IRS in quatloos.
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Darl probably printed the source with MS Word.
i would like the case to go through so people who say GPL is not strong enough to stand in court will shut up
they printed the code, then scanned then made pdf files that they send to IBM
How can a contract prevent someone from testifying in court?
it cant
SCO owns the copyright according to them. They can't whatevery the hell they please.
yay!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't think so.
December 5. Day of reckoning, I hope.
its discovery. nothing is hidden
Magistrate can't do that.
Somebody tell ESR that a dismissal is not a conclusion to this think. SCO could just go and sue the next somebody on their list.
mmmm chicken.
Saint Nicolas give the Tux a present :)
No Dec 5 is before a magistrate judge, not the trial judge.
Judge Kimball can, but the Magistrate can't throw out the suit.
Judgement Day - Dec 5, 2003
* viking667 waves goodbye for now...
<-- tbagnara has quit (Remote host closed the connection) we'll keep it noted :)
She can make judgements on the discovery issues, but ..
very interesting
Natalie Portman!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/34068.html
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The case won't be squashed then. The magistrative will order SCO to cough up dissocey unless they have a damn good excuse.
Have a nice week everybody. IRC will remain up for a while.
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I really hope that IBM (ab)uses its patent portfolio to blacklist all the SCO execs in the industry forever ("Hire him and you can't use cursors anymore")
to say the least
mmmmmmmm linuxshow
Talk about LinuxBios project
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good Jeff..
Read GROWLAW. Visit www.groklaw.net. Best discussion site for the SCO vs IBM case.
Great show! Thx
Kev, Arne, Doc
Thank you, everybody, for your support.
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Thanks for the show and the chat.
thanks guys, we appreciate the hard work!
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<-- PhantomsDad has quit (Quit: KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex") <-- Arbiter has quit () * stock wonders what Microsoft will come up with next, after SCO is only avaliable as TP :))) great show. Thanks
good show, thanks guys
great show, see you netx week!
Good show guys !
Great show, again!!
<-- Arne has quit (Quit: 9) nanoseconds) thanks for the great show, even if it had to be about SCO ;-)
<-- BobGuy has quit (Quit: Time for a /usr/local/nap) Interesting. The first remote show I can remember, but I've missed a few.
How soon until the archives are up? I missed the first half.
Bye Frustrating Show ;-)
<-- john has quit (Quit: Gone away home) great show!
<-- McGurk has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.0rc2/7]) thanks & bye (ZZZzzz time)
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Great show, even if Darl did weasel out of things at the last minute
<-- mldonkey has quit (Quit: Client Exiting) I rather enjoyed it, actually
<-- Glenn (~chatzilla@dhcp-0-20-78-c9-ab-fd.cpe.mountaincable.net) has left #linuxshow Great show. Great sound on the Townhall Meeting.
very very good show :) great stuff !! :)
thanks guys, see ya next week!
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<-- fred has quit (Quit: Client exiting) <-- mac586 has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4) so it should be up shortly
<-- Vennt (~noone@host213-120-113-158.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has left #linuxshow <-- __zt has quit (Quit: Leaving) till next week ,
KevDude: How soon until you post?
<-- garsmaz has quit (Quit: Client exiting) <-- stock has quit (Quit: BitchX: the fresh-maker!) <-- mwg has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.28 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20030917]) <-- Wharthogge has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4) Sontag: Back to your question, yes we'll probably now be taking action against the GPL and given the fact that Novell has acquired SUSE and Red Hat has sued us we're likely now to be taking actions if we so choose against the distributors. I
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until next week... Keep it Open!!
dont forget
Screw the IRS. . .dejavu
Keep it Free!!
:)
Give me Liberty, or Give me SCO's death!
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