11.25.03 irc

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 Where's the /topic?

 

 Voice!!!

 Morphix?  I hope it's improved.  I didn't like it when I tried it a few months ago

 JZA: With Fluxbux, when I launched any app from Kicker, Kicker wouldn't show it in taskbar.  It was in the Fluxbox taskbar.

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 is Eric part of the panel now?

 Forgot what my problems were, though

 (Supresses urge to make a Red Dwarf: Better than Life joke.)

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 anyone have a definite pronunciation of Knoppix this time? ;)

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 haha

 I say it k nopp icks

 noppiks

 Darl_McLies :D

 glad to see red dwarf fans around

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 smeg!

 ok spartakus, lets try ur pequelin 0.5.5 :)

 I started with gentoo, when it was at version 1.0 but I think I wasn't ready for it at that time, I moved to Suse and then RH 8.0. Tried to upgrade to RH 9.0 and it caused me a ton of headaches with mysql and mysqlcc.

 I'm so bad that Ive had two Dwarf-theme lisence plates.

 noppiks

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 so I went back to gentoo and I have been running well since.

 JZA: Que?

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 it's better than Darl mcbribe

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 Morphix is at release 4.1....  My cursory look at it, it looks good.

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 Trent: tell me more about it, I got a friend who had some problems with mysql on his rh9 server

 My official RMV registration is REDHAT...I may be giving it up soon

 running mysql on rh9 with 0 issues

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 I feel stupid now, been trying to load the wrong module for the last hour now :x

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 spartacus: :) I just download your Unstable version

 whats up

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 tesla coils guys

 hey

 Subject: Upgrade your RHCE to Red Hat Enterprise Linux

 looks like a good crowd tonight

 The problem wasn't so much with mysql as it was with mysqlcc. It was a dependency problem.

 <- big Tesla fan  I need to wipe and re-install mysql, I goofed it and I can't get in.

 8) tesla coils

 yea

 Trent: use it with OpenOffice db manager :) kidding

 "Dear RHCE: In celebration of the 5th year of the RHCE program, we are pleased to offer you the opportunity to upgrade your certification to Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3 at significant savings."

 anyone tried the latest Knoppix?

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 3.3 11/19

 JZA:  OK..

 MGALUG: Tried it VMware over the weekend

 MGALUG coool stuff.... gaim updated to latest version... all your MSN buddy's will be very happy :))))

 Didn't get a chance to do much with it though

 I have never studied for a computer class final :)

 I finally got it last night... tried on a laptop

 gaim 0.73?

 0.72

 vmware is great, to bad its so expensive

 still has scsi hardware ID

 prob.

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 Then it's not the latest :-)

 but maybe my knoppix is too old already :)

 awesome, dude... Kev..

 rickn: Yeah, I know.  I've been running vmware since 1.0, so I've gotten the discounts on the upgrades.

 Knoppix is *so* out of date :-p (I love it really)

 some of the best speed downloads come from those dot gov sites

 argonne

 yeah, even at and edu discount its pricey :|

 What about CERN

 MGALUG knoppix is faster updated, as MSN has rebooted its IM servers :)

 \quit

 \exit

 lol

 BRB

 tools(toys)

 Argonne National Lab -- Home of the world's largest Plutonium repository.

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 is that the windows way of logging out?

 ofNoUse

 Anybody do anything significant with Xen Linux?  I'm interested if it's got potential to replace vmware for most uses.

 haven't heard of it... Xen... now I know

 McGurk: CERN is that the princeton dude?

 Anybody else's stream sound very tinny?

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 yea

 tin can thin

 RA MP3 or OGG?

 Xen requires the OS to be *ported*, but only the kernel.  Similar to uml in that respect.

 CERN is the Swiss physics nuclear lab... largest accelerator and collider labs in the Swiss (Geneve)

 My mp3 sounds okay.

 I'm on the ogg stream, I'm getting the occaisional hitch.

 http://user.web.cern.ch/user/cern/CERNName.html

 Mind you, there's not as much bass, but then I'm on earphones anyhow...

 I've gotten 400Mbits from argonne labs... for knoppix, mandrake, redhat ... but I'm on a base too

 My ogg sounds as good as it normally does.

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 tinny, yes

 getting a job at CERN as a physicist, is like obtaining a personel edition of the Physics Nobel price

 stock: :-)

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 State of the Kernel: Confused.  :-)

 servers... lol

 linuxlobbyist so which URL was pointing to CERN labs?

 why is Torvalds to angry about K&R code?

 hehe anyone builded a 64-bit operton linux desktop?

 ?

 Umm, CERN?  You mean Xen?  I think I heard about it on LWN a few weeks ago

 K&R code?

 I have the url somewhere...hang on

 What is K&R code?

 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/

 K&amp;K&R: old-style C code

 Kerrnigen & Richie?

 Kernighan and Richie : founders of the C programming language

 But it's not CERN.  I think your question must have been meant for McGurk, stock

 And Unix

 Stroustrup : founder of the C++ code

 Thanks 

 Oh, nevermind.

 The K&R C book used to be the C bible in the old days.

 *your* quote was something about CERN

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 fedoraguy oh never mind, just stick to perl :))

 old days is right

 fedoraguy: :P

 sjohnson the K&R book (ANSI ed.) still is for me... you know what? its about 150 pages... in one word : briljant! :)

 and a 300 pound bald NEO choose the blue pill :)

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 the stroustrup C++ bible made me hesitate

 I do not think this is true Notably not for Itanium support 

 Modern C++ has gone far beyond

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 sup all

 IBM seems to have many faces... and you know what? employee #1 doing task #1 is not allowed to do task #2 from employee #2.

 howdy hi

 What did Linus  say about universities involvement in development

 Hello... I'm buffering.. damn

 interesting

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 Cananyone tell me the diff between Suse 9.0 Personal and Pro?

 about $50?

 true

 I remember the VAXes at college :-)  Ah, the memories.

 functionally perhaps?

 Ah!!! PDP-8's

 still wonder if Tanenbaum is teaching minix to his students :)

 I remember entering programs with punch cards.

 12-bit technology!!!

 scotter, i think the available packages, support, etc

 When I was in college I was using a PDP 11/70 RSTS-E

 When I was @ school, we programmed a pdp8 which only had a paper tape.

 PDP-8 is what put the rocket on the moon.

 mwg  you dinosaur

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 My first computer was a TI99-4a

 No nonvolaile memory, you had to toggle in the boot loader with toggle switches

 "mankind was never meant to advance beyond a 402 accounting machine"

 Yeah that pissed me off too

 my TI99/4a still works.

 tonyfreeman   Me to loved TI99

 How 'bout Univac 1108?

 I lost mine . . . gosh I really loved that thing.

 (and that was probably one step too far)

 He said it doesn't interest him personally, it's great for kids to cut their teeth, its a cultural phenomenon

 "There's no need to fear, OverDog is here!"

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 was the TI99/41 used for TIBOL development?

 4a I mean

 Is 2 about politics

 I am voting for Channey

 republicans are all payed by m$?

 The secret compartment in my disk I fill

 Bill is a bleeding heart

 Lon Chaney Jr?

 I remember an old IBM box that used toggle switchs. It was tucked away in a corner at the Math/Comp Sci building at OSU. I used it to run fortran programs when i couldn't get access to the IBM 360/190 in the basement.

 Doing the werewolf of London

 Whitehouse.com I assume

 ...with an OverDog lawsuit deflection pill?

 which OSU?

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 no whitehouse.gov

 Just joking

 whitehouse.com is all porn

 Linux is all about politics

 Does the whitehouse run on linux ?

 I dont think that has to do with politicians, that depends on the sys admin 'credo'

 All the Republicans I know run BSD

 Scotter lol :)

 Jeff tell us about the SCO death threats

 My fav is whitehouse.org

 most porn run on linux :)

 ;=)

 nasa is running lots of linux servers

 BSD is a more corperate release cycle

 lol arne

 Linux is a little more Bizarre like I guess

 Are you looking for Republicans at the state level too?

 You can deny all you like, but a big part of OSS is anti-big business, so it's very political

 I'm a Republican election judge and I run linux :-)

 Arne: whitehosue.org has more propaganda than the iraqi info minister

 From WNetcraft just now:   The site whitehouse.gov  is running unknown on unknown.

 It's all about the power belonging to me

 yea...they block it

 Politics gets into about everything these days.

 It's all about politics!!!

 peragin -- Ya still have to love their sense of humor....

 OSS is anti bussiness?  ESR would smack you up side the head

 I just checked out whitehouse.org ... pretty cool

 that's not about traditional party politics, but its all about politics

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  What about the guy in gov who bought $100Mil of M$ shit and then went to work for them?

 RSS feed, I couldnt get Straw to run  :S

 Darn - got to get offline temporarily

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 toga: he tried to get his money back???

 got some problem with the gconf

 wait... you sound like chris pirillo

 We had a guy do the same with IBM services/products ... he now works for IBM.

 awwww, I lost the feed

 Opensource is a Z axis on the political spectrum

 Dean is internet driven

 peragrin: OUR money, getting it in his pockect :(

 OSS is anti-redundant business

 RSS is still bigger than mainstream media knows

 Scotter:  I think you've got it... Open Source is something that the business world has yet to understand, grapple with and figure out.  It's like aliens landing.

 chrisb  Explain Gnome vs KDE in anti redundant terms

 Klatuu barada nikto

 at least some govts around the world have it

 get it...

 Favourite aggregators anyone? -- AmphetaDesk for me

 Dean was hilariouws on Letterman last night

 Hey, where did this big silver robot come from?

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 Do we really want a hillarious President?

 yes

 scotter:  Please! Scotter good point  I rethink

 Scotter: you already have one :P

 We already have one.

 we do?

 Look at this O'reilley comment   http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3995

 what's he done that's funny lately?

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 Participation increases a justified movement

 rehi David

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 well, he said the new health insurance bailout is a medicare bill

 Latest aritcle at Groklaw had almost 500 comments

 thats funny as hell

 Ever read 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Gallaxy"?  Zaphoid's job was to take attention away from the government.

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 mwg MMasocist

 ... and he was the president.

 I've never tried an aggregator.  Any recommendation (maybe with RPM)?

 Never mind Hitchhikers, ever read 1984?

 Hello all, sorry I'm late.

 Scotter The -1 are the masochists.

 hey david

 in high school

 hello NZ

 NZheretic, glad you made it.  We missed you last week.

 NZheretic: No interest for you, American politics :(

 fedoraguy: re: aggregator as per my earlier comment AmphetaDesk -- no rpm tho

 Though Clark has credibility, Dean is highly to take better initiatives on issues

 Howard Dean is a Skullz & Bones member, being from Yale?

 Dean never went to Yale

 1984 is good. So is Brave new world by Aldous Huxley.

 who went to Yale then?

 Linux is the Brave New World ...

 He graduated with an MD from a NY med school

 Kerry went to Yale

 1984 = NSA backdoors and Microsoft

 Kerry and Liebermann

 In case you forgot, one of the themes of 1984 is a perpetual war used as an excuse to control people

 http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=85456&cid=7443730

 fedoraguy: I was waryof mentioning that :P

 fedoraguy: but the parallel is obvious

 1984 Jobs and the Mac.  I mean, double speak and cult of personallity

 Sounds like our copywrite system

 LOL scotter.

 WindRiver = BSDi company

 copyrite

 Tosin http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=about_biography  "He received his B.A. from Yale University in 1971 and his medical degree from Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City in 1978."

 rofl

 too funny

 who's your Big Brother, baby

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 pardon my mistake

 Used to do ISPs also

 however I doubt he is affiliated with Skulls

 the Oracle rules in the Matrix

 ;)

 Larry Ellison have been praising Linux for a while about grid computing

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 and clustering solutions

 grid=matrix  hmm.  curious

 Oracle on Unixware/Solaris doesn't matchup with Oracle on Linux.

 the matrix^grid will be run by oracle on linux

 best source of SCO quotes collected at one site:  http://www.anerispress.com/wltsim/

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 yea...grid=matrix  hmm.  curious

 thats what RMS always talk about

* Scotter was cheering for the MCP against the maurading hackers attacking the system.

 companies taking the freedom out of Linux

 JZA right

 JZA ... good point

 MCP?  Microsoft Control Program

 Oh, sorry, you mean from Tron

 ;-)

 SuSE made 9.0 download avail... to one up Redhat...

 in a sense

 isn't this like Bitkeeper vs CVS

 SuSE's ISO is still LiveEval

 not a full installation from CD to HDD

 SUSE has a f*cked up ftp install

 yea

 My box arrives tomorrow though

 You can install SuSE via FTP 9.0 became available monday

 Xen is using BitKeeper

 What have they done to the ftp install?

 MGALUG: Yeah, I know :-(

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34191.html  MPAA &RIAA want antitrust expemtion

 I don't think it's going to be a problem - the Intel C++/C/Fortran compilers have bee avialable and have been pushed by Intel for years , GNU GCC is still the dominant toolchain.

 Trent FTP install is still there

 true

 Is any suse mirror actually working for the install though?

 FTP install is good enough if you are highly dependent on SuSE, but I need to be able to take the packages with me

 maybe a US Govt one

 Very sad...I refuse to use BK...I've developed CM tools in the past and I can't agree to his draconian pseudo-free license

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 Scotter Yes I did it yesterday  Used a server in Sweden

 mcs.mirror.anl.gov

 ???

 Dito J2EE - the demand creates freely licensed alternatives will create free projects.

 and the linux 2.6 kernel is better for embeded than 2.4

 I couldn't find a working US site.  Like I said, 9.0 pro arrives fed ex tomorrow so...

 DVD-Jon cracked the Apple iTunes :)

 sure thing

 I used Jon's code.  It works but needs a wrapper

 DRM under open sourse?

 frightening thought... almost all Windows Update - Office Update sites deliver DRM software today

 source

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 via Linux, FOSS

 People from Redmond using TabletPCs to take notes on KDE's demonstration 

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 is there a counter which counts articles on Linux and articles on Windows XP ?

 google?

 google's search says Linux searches are tops over Windows

 indicates this?

 What about Mouglen's article/paper from OSDL

 DRM - Distatrous Revolting Mess

 KNOPPIX rulez!!!

 knoppix is soooo sweet

 knopper.net has already 2 how-to for costum knoppix

 MSN searches show Linux is old news.  I mean, nothing but dead links

 maybe this one goes more in details

 yea... MSN would show such

 Great article on Knoppix

 yeah, thats one I said before the red hat miss-quoting

 Arne keep your hands from Jeff's stories!

 Scotter: Look at PJ's analysis of MSN search results on groklaw.net from a few weeks back

 :)

 I always pronounced it like the egyption jars that hold mummies organs.  Kon O piix

 Knoppix to hd install is an easy way to get Debian going.

 http://www.osdl.org/newsroom/press_releases/2003/2003_11_24_beaverton.html

 Oh yes, that was hilarous. I read groklaw all the time and she nailed it on that one.

 Is Knoppix based on Debian

 Big freedestop.org interview

 Link for the O'Reilly Knoppix article?

 Great X-mas idea.  Linux-BBC.  A business card CD that boots Linux.  $5 at EFF website.

 Tosin yep:)

 Tosin yesp

 toga  One apt get and it self destructs though

 Linux-BBC:  http://www.lnx-bbc.org/

 Scotter ohh?

 It self destructs?. Any idea as to why?

 Scotter: Really? Worked ok for 1 of my installs.

 PhantomsDad: Is the Linux-BBC a British distro ;-)

 Lots or sources have to be added to keep it stable

 john: go to onlamp.com

 No.  BBC mean Business Card CD

 That's what I said here two weeks ago.  Consumer market is what they are giving up, NOT the desktop

 Linux-BBC is great.  Try Morphix-LightGUI, too

 I still think it sucks though ;-)

 can we take a CEO serious, which tells his audience to windows @home, and says to spend $1500,= minimum for a linux server?

 BBC = Bootable Business Card

 run windows @home

 Redhat has not come out with their new enterprise licensing pricing yet.

 I noticed apt-get install on Knoppix had tab-completion for the package name

 Actually, Redhat's move is good for all of us.  Now their development is much more open, and they have some of the best people

 Arne: I know some of the developers of LNX-BBC. I always carry a few in my bag.

 mwg, what distro do you use xfce on?

 graywind: Slackware 9

 If it was 'good for all of us', then whiteboxlinux.org wouldn't exist

 Isn't BBC mainly built to be used as a rescue disc?

 according to MS FUD it's crap

 ask the Israelli defense ministry :)

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 mwg  What should I know when I instrall tomorrow?

 The interesting thing is the OpenOffice contains features that MSOffice has yet to implement. Even on the 2003edition

 It's not ALL bad, but has many downsides

 StarOffice... but if it's anything like OpenOffice, it rocks!

 Trent: It started that way. It is a good, lightweight distro now.

 Israel is going to use OpenOffice

 mwg: if you get the latest version of swaret it will grab xfce 4.01 from linuxpackages.net and install it for ya

 I wish they would seperate the windows in OpenOffice.

 I think I've sold our chair on using OO for the new student-classroom laptops we're buying

 Israel Shuns MS, Adopts OpenOffice Instead

 http://www.linuxworld.com/story/38040.htm

 wise move

 thanks NZ

 Scotter: It's been long enough I can't remember the details.  I had no major problems, though, I'd remember those.

 Open source group poised to white-ant Microsoft

 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/24/1069522526315.html

 you wanna move jobs to india? install M$ Office, wanna keep jobs local? use Openoffice

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 white-ant = termite?

 NZheretic, king of the links. (BTW) thanks JZA for onlamp tip)

 future flash, Bush administration gives 100M in foreign aid to Israel, to buy M$ sofware

 graywind: I'll have to look up swaret, never heard of it before.  Thanks for the info.

 We'll be right back

 http://www.swaret.org

 np

 The onlything that Open office doesn't do, that I wished that it would do, is to allow you to embed dialog controls into cells in spreadsheets but they are working on it. The reason that they gave for the work was to allow compatibility with .xls files. Personally I don't care about the compatibility with .xls I just want the dialog form controls.

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 time to make some tea

 Same music

 Trent:  good point

* PhantomsDad tries to compile xfce-4.01 from source, encounters many problems and decides to punt.

 we will but chatting too

 They make it a lot easier to tie macros to cells. I used them with quattro,

 Also, MS is starting to cut off it's VARS http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20031120.html

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 Trent: I never got used to those dialogs, where very distracting

 Trent geez... are you a Microsoft Trainer?

 o/~ we built this city, we built this city on rock and roll... o/~

 hehehe

 really, man

 converter lol

 I wanna install metacity wih the expose patches

 Nope, I am not a MS shill. I just know what I like ina spreadsheet.

 Darl wasn't too happy about Eben Moglen's latest volley

 fuck darl

 Delusions at SCO?  Perish the thought! :-)

 Lotus 123

 fuck him with a big rubber pitchfork

 That is right Trent

 Eggplant: :-)

 that was a great spreadsheet program

 Scotter: if you're running gentoo, there's an ebuild on forums

 hee hee hee

 lolrotf

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 "Legal risks of open source under scrutiny"

 http://www.computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/EEC5FDAC79B7D26AC C256DE7007C3FB2?OpenDocument

 Anyone got the link on that group formed by chicagoans that were upset about Mircosoft Bunties for pirate XP Licences

 :o

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* stock 's personal spreadsheet : bc -l

 Gentoo lasted two days on my thinkpad before I reporposed the partition for Debian

 I used to be an arteest with Dos 6.2, Wordperfect 5.2, the WP Office Shell and 123...

 swaret is grabbing 300mb of stuff, might be a while :)

 My reply is on Grocklaw

 http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20031124125314370&amp;type=article&title=Already+replied+-+It+may+be+Microsoft+NZs+law+firm&pid=26263

 I bet before April 2005 (if the case isn't dropped), someone will buy SCO

 Arne: you have any follow up on that business group situation, did they put a website yet?

 I got Gentoo 1.4 on a DVD from some UK mag... is it worth the trouble to build it?

 I was trying to set up a spreadsheet that i had begun awhile go with quattro. Main reason that i don't use quatro anymore is that I don't want to go to the trouble to try and get Corel office to install with wine. I use OS where ever I can.

 I smell IBM or even HP for this move

 Scotter:  Brain clicked, were you talking an XFCE install or slackware?  I was talking XFCE.

 Scotter: i don't know that i'd put gentoo on a lappie, to much grinding on that fragile hardware for my taste :)

 Tosin: So MS will fight system V?

 I love gentoo.

 Perhaps

 hey - does anyone know a good website to go to to look for companies hiring programmers / techies other than the big guys like monster.com or hotjobs.com? I'm looking for something specific to the NY state market

 Tosin: they already bought a big chunck with all the 'legal aid'

 we don't want SCO to be bought, we want them to die, and sell unix for a dollar

 Tosin well we have crossed the point of no return already... any nutcase spending dorrah's in purchasing SCO Group, will be on my bounty hunt list.

 But I have to agree, that I wouldn't use it on a laptop.

 All they have is a license to use it and modify it for their use for further sales

 Tosin: I doubt IBM will ever buy SCO now...when IBM believes it is right, it fights to the death

 neither

 Trent: we run it on desktops and love it :)

 2 contracts, each worth 8 mil each

 Should the SCO Group set up a website to counter GrokLaw called CrockOShitLaw?

 We're back!!!

 Peragrin:  Yes

 heh

 Peragrin: I second that

 NZHeretic: If they did setup a website, it would say nothing, because they got nothing credible to say

 Trent: I use it on a lap

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 music just stopped...

 wanna laugh?  read this:  https://us.etrade.com/e/t/invest/Story?ID=STORYID%3Detrade_2003_11_24_eng-etrade_cbs2_market_watch_eng-etrade_cbs2_market_watch_A8E0810F-6FA4-4AEE-A63A-7882825FF76E&provider=CBSMarketWatch.com

 Trent: however is retired as a desktop replacement

 What sort of laptop?

 they have a website up it is www.sco.com

 so what is the SCO flap tonight

 Jeff??

 still full of shit though

 in a perfect world, IBM would crush SCO to a pulp, then offer them a $1 buyout

 Ogg feed still on music here...fading out...

 don't need to do it... it's been done... http://www.welovethescoinformationminister.com

 Voice!

 Finally

 yay

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 url on that letter?

 Jeff, has the linux show made any changes in hardware or software in the last couple of weeks. I don't seem to be getting the high pitched whine that I usually get with one or two of the speakers on the show.

 groaklaw?

 groklaw rulez!!

 www.groklaw.net.... go... read... laugh... ponder... etc

 Trent: they did upgrade some hardware

 oh ok... thats the one

 groklaw.net

 http://www.groklaw.net/quotes/index.phtml

 http://www.groklaw.net/

 Trent -- Yes, we have a new connection hardware.

 Trent: Jeff stop brewing tea during the show :-0

 wtf

 Ah, that explains it.

 Must have been in the old hardware then.

 groklaw and PJ need to read www.welovethescoinformationminister.com

 graywind: swaret page found and bookmarked, thanks.

 It was the MODEM.

 What is the point of stating this that theother is a lie,  We have zillion already

 hardware change a number of weeks ago and that ended the whin, etc

 mwg: your welcome

 Ah. well I am glad. Cause it was giving me a bit of a headache.

 I already got all the sco I need at TLS

 PJ will love that.

 JZA: lol

 sure we might get it in the time delayed email from TLS

 It is funny when I heard about the Body goards I immediatley thought about Jeffs comment last week

 Oh god that was something else alright.

 a cow pie

 maybe - 

 lol

 Pie in the face?

 Gee, this story sounds familiar...

 Could it be that we heard it LAST WEEK?

 Darl is looney and .... dangerous

 I wasn't here for several weeks

 whoa!

 thats sutile

 :)

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 someone asked about in the opening min. of TLS irc

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 shame, 'cos it wsa probably assault (sorta) :)

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 the memes have them :)

 Tooo bad you didn't have a tape recorder going. :(

 SCO = Stupid Confused Operations

 it was chris sontag

 we know it was

 what a mark of honour!

 expose the lies or Darl?

 namaseit: chris snotrag

 tee hee hee :P

 chris piece-of-shit

 oh wait

 that doesnt have the same ring to it

 lol

 Darl and Sontag are butt buddies and crack smokers

 SCO seems to have a bad case of raving paranoia.

 it's the only explanation

 Eggplant:  hee hee hee

 The real danger to SCO executives is not from Linux/Free software supporters, but from SCO Unix professionals and business who use to deploy Unixware/openUnix. The SCO Group's actions surounding this lawsuit has KILLED that market.

 raving paranoia comes from smoking crack

 no

 I have sold Unixware in the past

 "Brain and brain!  What is brain?"

 that market was dead a long time ago

 NZ well said

 Star Trek:  Spock's Brain

 I would like to run the comparator by ESR against the unixware tree

 yeah that was last week

 KeyNut address?

 Eggplant: Well spotted.

 One of the guy's on the "OnComputers" show thinks the GNU License is illegal.

 rofl

 He's swallowed everything Darl has fed him

 talk about paranoia

 SCO... ridiculous... true madness... PULLING THE WOOL OVER THEIR OWN EYES!!  I should pay the $30 for their Reverendships...

 what a bunch of idiots

 yea

 sure it does

 JeffGerhardt just turn up your cheek to Darl, and Darl will be jailed inside Gauntanomo Bay immediately... Don't be afraid.

 well but is different, Bill gates get death threats everyday

 The only death threat Darl should worry about is a heart attack when he realizes the case is won by OpenSource

 but not cuz of that u start criying for it

 for Darl, the world is just one big High School

 Jeff is Darl hist you, you can get him in jail. simple.

 in highschools these days it would be considered a very serious matter... and most of those guys/gals are of such a minde

 converter: LOL

 Love the cleft chin, I wonder what it cost?

 i wouldnt really consider IBM opensource but yah it is a win for FOSS

 heard the fear

 in his voice... could hear it when he spoke

 I think is all PR game

 they are slandering you dude

 here in Britain (without that pesky 1st amendment) they could get in a lot of trouble for thiss tuff

 and the whole community

 Meanwhile it's quite ok for the SCO Group to call Linux users and developers common criminals?

 I just watched his eyes, oh wait you couldn't see them they were looking at the floor

 I agree its a PR attempt by SCO itself.

 How 'bout a head game?  Order stuffed Tux dolls and have them delivered to Darl.

 Its unfortunate that Darl and his group slanders the OpenSource community while they benefit from its efforts

 heh... give Darl the Alan Ralsky Slashdotting....

 so no Slashdot articles

 ... better yet .. order live penguins!

 Darl wants to steal the hard work of tens of thousands of developers, and use it to line is wallet. 

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 this idea reminds me of Al Franken's last book "Lies and the lying liars who tell them"

 if this were a movie plot, this would be the part where Darl's puppet masters would, considering him an expendable annoyance, make him a martyr for their cause

 wouldn't it be neat if he decided to eat a bullet?

 Darl, Chris and the SCO Boys are teaming up to take on TLS host JeffGerhardt ....

 LINUXSHOW - Set up a wiki on thelinuxshow website !!!!

 why else make the gpl public domian, which no american judge can do.

 Franken has gone downhill since he worked with Buck Henry

 pants: What did those penguins do to deserve Darl?

 Arne: why not writing an open-letter

 converter: SCO and darl already are the puppets, just ask MS

 rofl!

 oh the irony :P

 thanks ... snotrag

 high school antics

 is correct

 good night all

 Lets have Darl on LinuxShow next week

 lol

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 Is it possible

 high school madness!  With Porgy Tirebiter!

 i wonder if their LARGE Investors, like BarClays Bank Toronto know all this....

 desperate acts of doomed people(meaning sco)

 I want to see how Darl reacts with sound facts

 This is like Woody Allen saying his wife is childish because she sinks all his boats in the bath

 oh fartbubbles

 ok let see, according to SCO: ESR is an employee of IBM, ESR is common of TLS, Arnie has approach Darl,

 McGurk:  Hee hee hee

 McGurk She's 14

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 SCO Group is giving away telephone investment calls assesments... if any of their new potential investors finds out, what a bunch of idiot criminals they are... well

 ESR is now a consultant to IBM's case concerning SCO and the history of Unix

 SCO has pissed away everything of value they had, which was not much to begin with

 Tosin: Where did u see that?

 so he does work for IBM now?

 1999 article

 indirectly

 only because of their actions

 Go away? Call Charlie Evans!

 He doesn't work as an employee, but more so in the direction of IBM's case

 Tosin ESR has said on this show he does not consult for IBM

 Oops pardon me, . . .

 This was VA Linux Systems

 Tosin No problem

 ESR did say that last week

 Tosin:  I've known that since last May... grin

 You shouldn't let him finish telling his lies

 Tosin I wish he were though

 JeffGerhardt does any of the SCO ppl or their security gards, physically assaulted you?? or is it just a mind game?

 That's it for the show for this week.

 good show guys

 g'nie

 Good show.  Night all.

 we'll do what we can

 I think if the case goes through, he will testify

 great show -- g'night all.

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 thanks guys - good show :)

 Please interrupt him while hie

 later peeps

 good show

 huh

 Thanks chaps !

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 good show, next time

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 good show kids. thanks and all that

 thanks for the show

 another good show

 next week, all

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 I'm still listening to the show .... where's everyone going.

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 http://unitedlinux.com/en/partners/index.html

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 wheeeeee

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<-- doug (~doug@c-24-1-89-159.client.comcast.net) has left #linuxshow (Client Exiting)  Geez .... I must have had a HUGE buffer.

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 Good show guys. I will have to listen to it again when the house is quieter.

 Ogg stream lag here also, I don't know how ar behind I was, the song just started 20 seconds ago.

 Jeff kinda just rolls right up to the end

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 Lag makes IRC a bit of a psychedelic experience

 so how can we really help Jeff?

 an Ask Slashdot article may help to refute the lies.  At least get a wide audience on the case

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 I must have had a HUGE lag ... the music is just now starting.

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 Bye everybody.  Thank you for your support.

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 Arne,Jeff,Kev etc - IMPORTANT - there are so many articles and details alread spread around the web - what is needed is one centeral repository to form the argument.

 Refute the lies WHILE he is telling them .... dont let him finish!!!

 One possible ogg problem.  A player that uses a buffer will get a larger amount of sound ahead using ogg than mp3.

 http://sco.iwethey.org/

 xmms?

 well

 take care everyone

 xmms using mp3 here

 Yes, I'm using xmms.

 music off

 xmms and ogg here (lag)

 xmms and ogg stream here

 does someone know of an article that involved unitedlinux lately?

 Yep xmms, ogg

 Also mini sound backfires.

 can anyone recommend any OS DTP software?

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 graywind no not really... only that Novell with the purchase of SuSE is backing United Linux basicly.

 Just got a brief clip from the start of the show.

 tonyfreeman why?

 Now I seem to have the show on re-run.

 anyone ever downloaded the beta when it first came out? it was pretty silly

 MWG That's standard I think

 download*

 Dr_Aevil: Scribus?

 mwg : thats Ok, I missed the start.

 it will rerun and streem for quite some time.

 Still has hitches in the sound, goes back a few minutes.

 NZheretic moi aussi as we say in Canada

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 Dr_Aevil: OpenOffice?

 I'd have thought they'd work out the ogg a bit more, given all the possible mp3 legal issues.

 I converted everything from mp3 to ogg on my station.

 On the plus side, I would say ogg stream has improved over last several months

 Now I an email once a week from people not able to hear the station.

 my Archos only supports mp3... ;-(

 MGALUG: I'm just looking into Scribus now

 so I'm stuck with them for a while

 My Archos gives me the same problem, I have to run MP3s for on-the-road use.

 I tried Scribus out... pretty cool stuff

 You'd think that RealPlayer or iTunes would be able to play ogg .... but they dont

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 I don't have any problems with the ogg stream vs mp3 stream. In fact the only problem that I have had was with the whine in the audio and that was an artifact introduced by their equipment into the audio itself.

 zen player does

 I think

 JeffGerhardt does any of the SCO ppl or their security gards, physically assaulted you?? or is it just a mind game?

 ogg, wma, mp3

 indeed :)

 SCO really seems to have it in for you.  WHo sold them the bad drugs?

 mind games

 They have minds to game with?  :-)

 lol

 JeffGerhardt well ... they seem to be pretty good at that then.

 December 5 shall be interesting

 yep

 Well it looks like mind games and hoping that you will make some sort of mistake and give them ammunition.

 mind games = lawyer games

 I hope the judge drops the case

 Question though, if the judge drops the case, can it be filed again in a higher court

 I think they might be genuinely deluded - I mean just look at the evidence..

 Tosin yep, followed by a zillion counter suits :)

 Actually what we hope for is the judge to dismiss the case with prejudice.

 yep

 Tosin: Not if he prints out the case and drops it on Darl.

 what do you mean MWG

 I'm in the middle of a sizable lighting storm, I may have to shutdown soon to avoid trashing yet another UPS.

 like the 1 million pages SCO dumped on IBM

 tosin:  Think half a ton of paper and kinetic effects.

 lol

 Actually if he dismisses with prefudice they can't refile. But if he dismises it without prejudice they can.

 But actually the focus has changed lately... a new independant team of lawyers (non SCO related) is attacking the GPL : "Examining an attack on the GPL"  http://lwn.net/Articles/59752/   

 http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.112103/233255267

 are the SCO legal submissions any better than spam in fact? :)

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 "A law firm called "Wolf, Greenfield & Sacks" has seen fit to issue a press release containing some pretty strange claims about the GPL."

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 A guy on another show I listen to: "OnComputers.com" is convensed the GPL is illegal ...

 This is where I cam in... bye

 Oh yes I have seen that one as well.

 " SCO Reacts to Moglen and a MS FUD Source Confirmed. And How"

 basicly that means, that the grand evil master behind the curtain, has maybe given up on SCO, and started a legal GPL attack game.

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 The Cold war is heating up.

 ... and he's the one that does the Linux Segment of the show ...

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 anyway.. maybe take a look on the GPL attack next week....

 since they see no possible win-win, they've gotta look elsewhere for a lawsuit...

 Its interesting the Darl reacts to the Moglen paper.  The quicker he reacts, the more convinced of how know that he has nothing against the opensource community and more so IBM

 GPL is the basis for Linux, right?

 I am not sure what its going to take to convince people on the futility of attacking the GPL. Wel futile if the judge knows anything at all about the law and isn't swayed by nonsensical babblings.

 or paid off

 good show... and Jeff, are you really offended by mind games?  just /ignore these idiots.... basicly thats the best thing to do

 Think about it, if you know you are full proof, then the media commentaries wouldn't bother you, but to quickly react is a sign of weakness and vulnerability

 no... he's just trying to CHA

 Darl is desperate

 Jeff but of course have the homework prepared, and standby when needed :)

 MGALUG:  no doubt is he desperate, but he probably regrets getting into this in the first place

 Well, as jeff has already noted, reading Groklaw will give you plenty of ammo to use against them.

 MGALUG:  I bet if the judge dismisses this, the stock price will fall faster than gravity pull on any object

 kinda like a cat that's been cornered... the easy way out, even if it means clawing his owners eyes out is the one he'll take

 SCOX, the publicly traded lawsut

 er lawsuit

 i hope

 just hope MS doesn't buy them and resume suit

 think it's time for bed

 something to sleep on...

 Is UNIX something that will go into the public domain any time?

 MGALUG certainly not... cause then its a fight between Microsoft and GNU/Linux/GPL directly.... Microsoft will never risk getting their necks harmed.

 Hmm, MS buys Sco, continues suit, gets head handed to it on a platter when IBM win's. I would love that.

 stock: yea, they don't want to do that

 but who knows what Gates or Balmer will do?

 Trent : Antitrust.

 they are just the same as Darl

 Yep

 I think that if the case is thrown out early, the victory for OSS and GPL is less definitive.  Or is it just as good as a full trial which rules against IBM?

 antitrust... just a word...e Feds didn't do a thing to hurt MS

 I meant  against SCO..

 Microsoft buying SCO and then attacking GNU/Linux will go against the efforts of trying to avoid Antitrust lawsuits

 Gates doesn't care about those puny lawsuits...

 MGALUG : Wait for the EU Competition Commission to ack.

 Well to date the only place that MS seems to have had any antitrust problems has been overseas.

 EU... now they've got some bawls on them

 teeth too

 http://www.iht.com/articles/118845.html

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 our Free market when it's manipulated by a monopoly like MS is no different than a dictatorship of lies

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 Night all.

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 you too Tosin

 JeffGerhardt... ever seen that cartoon from Boyton (sp?) " Don't let the Turkeys get you down?" ... no pun intended as it's turkey week, but do keep an open mind... last week you were breathing hard

 and now we know exactly why

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 kinda like being almost run-down on the interstate

 take care... chat nextweek  /quit

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 peacefully/

 ?

 2. Linux will not be free

 i love that earlier: IBM was trying to certify 12 distros... now what... they have only 5 certified distros

 hmm

 go figure

 Coexisting with Linux means coexisting with the GPL, Darl.

 Linux is free (2 meanings)

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 So will SCO go after BSD in order to attack Linux?

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 free has to many meanings for darl to understand

 how does he know what SUSE did internally..

 exactly

 because he used to work at novell and now novell bought SUSE... thats SCO logic anyway

 Darl_McBride: You should know, you're Darl.

 Ex-SUSE exec is now at SCO (European Sales IIRC)

 This guy is rambling.  No coherence in his message.  Stumbling.

 he's not Darl

 I'll have to find my head to answer that, oh wait.. it's up my ass.

 Show's gonna be over by the time mplayer finishes filling its cache *grumble*

 thought so

 Arne.. Yup... exactly what I was thinking.. he's just bumbling along and knows it..

 Show's started?

 lol

 Did you mean: ms://wm9.bur.synccast.com/demo/istream/live 04 ?

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 show has not yet started

 lol

 tsotate: mplayer does streams?

 2 lame horses

 we need a Didiotic

 what are your commentsa about his appearance and facial expressions? I find them telling

 Is Jeff in the room?

 DONT START LINUXSHOW until the mcbride keynot is over.. so we can talk about it.

 4   Amazing he claim SCO will survive

 he's an optimist

 McGurk: He left out "... as a pile of rubble."

 I'll make a prediction.  SCOX tanks after court rules.

 i believe the round table is in the same room as mcbrides talk... hence the delay...

 He's an ignorant.

 he meant... 4 SCO's legacy will survive...

 He's not even looking at his audience, his eyes are constantly on his podium (i kid not)

 also known as... don't claim your ip in linux unless you really have ip in linux (that you didnt' allready GPL()

 Last slide a Horse not a Bull

 Audience?  There's a live audience?  I don't hear any Bronx cheers?

 4million to 60million and 9 million already paid to lawers?

 WTF... 300 lbls linebackers and horse jockeys...

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 They're being polite so the get to ask questions when the fun starts :)

 IS he talking to children with this Horse story

 No, SCOX is horse puckey....  hehehe

 he's just talking

 did they develop anything this year besides FUD?

 nobodies listening anymore

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 unless they are laughing inside

 I hear music, no audio

 yeah

 Q&A

 Anyone have info on audience? 

 No questions?

 his body language... f' me... this is worth d'loading the archived copy for later... you know the simspons episode where Bart shows Lisa the moment she braeks Ralphs heart in slow-mo.. thats how transparent Darl's body language was#

 fred: your missing hte mcbride keynote.

 noboy aid

 Yea sco invented, Samba, Apche, and somethings else too oh yea sumb lawsuits

 different feed

 audience=sco employees

 that was the SCO Forum

 where's the audio feed everyone is "talking" about?

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  www.sco.com/cdxpo www.sco.com/cdxpo

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 done now

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 Ahhhh!  The soothing tones of The Linux Show.

 thnx

 sco like GNU when it come samba

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 this is going to be great

 So, any questions about my Kenote?

 fred -- go to The Linux Show site.  http://www.thelinuxshow.com/

 *Keynote?

 All I'm getting is music. (thelinuxshow.com

 Keynote: a mish-mash of random allegations, all false. 

 same here... i'm a linuxshow newb

 all i'm getting is music too

 john: you still got a few mins..

 Darl  Yes what was the point of it?

 show has not started yet (the linux show) that is

 just wait.

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 waiting for the victims... i mean sco people

 Music is the lead-in to the show.  Please be patient.

 Darl is still Mcblabbing 

 Have you seen our stock! Come on man!

* toga wonders where the sound comes out when someone has their head up their ass and talks?

 ...and enjoy the music.  (or not).

 That's Kevin.

 Voice!!!

 yea

 go kevin!

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 yoo hhooo

 what roundtable? is this something different than normal?

 What the heck is "mms" streaming format?

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 yea it is D

 microsoft medea something

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 PhantomsDad: windows media 9, use mplayer to open it/

 Microsoft multi media stream

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 lo

 lo

 lo stock

 It's Over now   don't bother

 'ello

 over?

 It's will be on the SCO website in an hour

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 figures it would be microsoft media stream  sheesh

 is that Darl ?

 is the aftershow over?

 who?

 Darl is over   linuxshow about to begin

 I gotta start feeding more things to mplayer.

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           [i686/1200MHz]

 IT's propriatory software man! What are you a communist hippie?

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 almost ready...

 Darl_McBride get you fingers from out Linux chat software!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

 afternoon? 5:45pm PT is 8:45pm est... what's the internet time for that

 s/out/our/

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 MGALUG: internettime = when it is ready

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 hey hey momma

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 lo chrisb

 no, I like linux.

 internettime=when the missus is asleep :P

 A CRN interview with McBride.

 hello

 must be in an Elvis mood

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 I heard Elvis was in vegas and was going to chime in on SCO

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 lol

 Quoting McBride "Our goal is not to blow up Linux. People ask why we don't go after the distributors...'If you have such a strong case, why not shut down Red Hat?' Our belief is that SCO has great opportunity in the future to let Linux keep going, not to put it on its back but for us to get a transaction fee every time it's sold. That's really our goal."

 We have voice!

 yeah!

 Voice!!!

 thats me

 I have a secondary voice leaking in.

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 What link is everyone using?  I just get "Exiting... (End of file)"

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 there is an open mic somewhere

<-- Richard has quit (Quit: Leaving)  kinda spacey... need directional mic

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 ah much better

 evan_d - using linuxquestions mp3 stream

 Typical lawyer talk......

 ah better

 yea

 great here it goes

 Yea, Jeff!!

 kev... you saving the stream?

 Jeff go!!!

 ;-)

 yup

 :)

 i duplicated it... i used grep... found lots of files with "SMP"

 :)

 and i have a cron job recording from 8pm to 9:30 as a backup these days :)

 u da man :)

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 Not Chris_Sntttog, Chris Snotrag!!

 Is Darl not actually at this roundtable?

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 i don't think so

 nope

 What SCO IP?

 who's speaking now?

 who is currently speaking?

 That's Chris Snotrag.

 BS

 I thought it was supposed to be a town-meeting-style questioning of Darl after his speech?

 Gota be Sontag

 SCO refused to show this 'code' to the judge.

 snot_wipe

 "don't hear much about that"?

 ha ha ha

 I"M SO STUPID

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 lolbmb

 a

 What is he smoking?

 full of it

 "SCO IP" are some old tapes, which are the remains from some old unix programmer, which died 15 years ago...

 linux is used to rob banks!

 go get them

 I dunno who this is

 but owned by Novell originally

 still is

<-- zx81 has quit (Quit: Read error: 666 (Connection reset by Satan))  RMS is a muslum extremest anarchist whos going to kill people someday... thats what i got from that slid

 these guys spend too much time talking to each other behind closed doors, they believe their own bullshit

 lol

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 SCO refused to show this 'code' to the judge.

 This 'code' is vaporware.

 GNU software is written from scratch... Linux kernel code is writen from scratch. period. end of discussion.

 SCO needs to fuck or get off the pot.

 thats not an answer, idiot

 Erm...I use the stream link off of the site, but it won't connect?

 This is painful to listen to

 is the show on yet?

 SCO can only draw lines in the sand, but is fully unwilling to show the line

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 It still opens my garage door ;)

 or toe the line

 stock: except for the piece SGI put into it

 i'm sick of this SCOBAKKA Defense

 curious_ they can have it back

 Why are we having a town meeting?  Everybody had to sign a NDA here?

 Why a town meeting now maggots?

 alan: its on, feedng a stream from a roundtable with Darl, among others.

 no Darl

 just Chris Sontag

 they had it in mind

 Oops, never heard, drew a wrong conclusion.  In the end, is there much difference?

 #include XXXXXXXXx    (i just infringed)

 and how is 'include/asm-m68k/spinlock.h' copied code?

 Fred Flinstone should be allowed to sue Chrysler, GM and Ford because they stole the idea of the wheel.

 opus -- Jeff is in Las Vegas.  Darl just gave his keynot.

 and SCO can have their pieces back, if a court ruling has said so. In the mean time, the "offended" code is already out in the open, even before "The SCO Group" even existed. actually its only Caldera which has a right to speak up here.

 it's only 6 lines long! geez

 keysnot

 Arne: keynot. I love it.

 Were hearing the Branch Davidians here.

 key-NOT!

 lolrotf

 Their about to climb into their school bus.

 yea

 they need to go back to school.

 why can't he just say X was copied from Y

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 (the "short" school bus)

 heavens gate

 didn't they allready show us something about non literal copying and obfukscated... i'm seem to remember it not working to well

 SCO HAS DNA?

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 DNA? Did O.J. steal it?

 Real off topic..but does anyone know the longest that a Linux server has ran before crashing?

 Chris Snotrag is talking

 They are going after BSD

 Jeff Gerhardt speaking.

 Respect for the law? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 Wish someone would ask about the reverse IE  GNU going into Openware

 go Jeff. :)

 If these assholes have respect for the law, they why didn't they tell the JUDGE what was stolen!

 long before SCO tried to take over

 They had their fingers up their butts that day!

 "We're not going to lay out the whole case" lol

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 yep :)

 tell them Jeff

 you da man

 Now that they're actually _in_ a lawsuit, shouldn't they? :)

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* Darl_McBride is thinking...

 go jeff!

 WHere's ESR

* Darl_McBride is now lost..

 what was the question again?

 is this ESR?

 MGALUG indeed.. ESR would only be needed in the audience, to heat it up :)

 No, that's Jeff

 The Judge from  a decade ago cleared all the UNIX code in the BSD VS At&T thing.

 SCO needs a clue here.

 thanks Arne

 Yeah, Jeff

 exactly

 opus_: Actually, BSDI and USL settled

 Chris Snotrag talking

 SCOHA

 but it's still pretty settled

 which leaders ??

 Yeah!  And look how they settled.

 you trying to get us going on Snotrag name

 Arne yes he has a uncleaned nose ??

 BSD code that is!

 Turning up the FUD....

 trying to pull it out

 If it was by accident, you'd think they'd be receptive to fixing it.  In fact, SGI did.

 it didn't get pulled

 tsotate: there is a rumor that SCO may reopen that case

 The Judge told them to get out of his court!  There were no winners.

 it got put on top of a saturn IV

 it was already pulled b/c it sucked.

 That beep-beep might have been Eric calling into Webley.

 oops

 saturn V

 what example?

 They did pull it out.

 They will continue to do so

 Arne  so Eric will contribute in some way to discussion?

 Arne  so Eric will contribute in some way to this discussion?

 Linus will be certain of that

 I've not heard such shit since the NAZI's were trying to determine I.Q. from the shapes of young peoples skulls.

 Is Eric there?

 how are they getting the feed. Sounds quite good?

 ESR is supposed to join the discussion at some point.  But I think it may be after the town meeting.  I just don't know.

 Their derivatively stupid here.

 Is this feed being fed to the round table

 group?

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 Be great to hear him weigh in

 This may be David Schatsky...

<-- Darl_Mckracken has quit (Remote host closed the connection)  how 'bout FREE!

 fair?

 "god help us" is required when your talking about the US legal system

 yea... GPL=FREE

 whwaa whaa whaaa

 free is GOOD!

 Their still giving away Linux on the SCO website.

 ask him about the GPL

 We just want what's coming to us, we just want our fair share.

 He's still not defining what "their IP" is, is he?

 Who is talking

 And he's never going to

 we all switch to FREEBSD... screw them

 I'll start pirating linux if hell freezes over.

 I'm not sure.  But this is Chris Snotrag

 Here comes the FUD...

 Arne No the other guy

 FreeBSD is next, when SCO looses the Linux case :)))))

 BS BS

 I'm writing my congressman to call for a formal Department of Justice investigation of SCO tonight.

 What law?

 he must have trained under Gates

 is this Didiotic?

 The other is a techie guy, so I suspect that it's David Schatsky

 nah

 who's amy

 carly is also there?

 Moderator is Jack Powers....

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 i though Laura Dideo was supposed to be apart of this

 How about insider trading?

 http://www.newsforge.com/business/03/11/18/1742216.shtml?tid=2&amp;tid=82&tid=85&tid=94

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 well look like Darl needs to think about that "urban legend" again

 thats re bsd

 She's apparently not there, so she is apart from it... hehehe

 DiDio has gone 180 degree now

 what is this

 Arne  is eric also present somewhere on that Hall meeting ?

 I'm sure she will again.  She seems that sort.

 He's avoids the argument about GPL

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 Yes he is...

 GPL is a very big issue

 This isnt about IP protection, it's about IP landgrab and marketshare landgrab... it is literally the acts of desparation, the very actions of a drowning man grasping at any passing log.. if SCO want to grab at the log-looking crocodile that is the BSD settlement then hell, let 'em, it'll bite them in the ass :D

 SCO source licensing == MS Licensing 7.0

 That's Jeff Gerhardt.

 He can't very well face the argument that in the incredibly unlikely case that sco beats IBM, they _still_ can't legally distribute or license linux

 no answer to the GPL is a license part.

 What happens when Hurd becomes usable?

 GPL is briljant... the only way for them out of the GPL, is a court ruling saying a GPL license is illegal...

 as sco doesn't own any of the contributions made by other developers

 Jose By 2035  SCO is gone

 be a cold Day I think

 maybe we should stick a meat hook thru Darl's ass and make him into a pinata

 lol

 I have a bat!!

 harsh, but apt

 SCO was doomed long before this.  This is just a money grab.

 jose, good! ;)

 I'm shocked somebody hasn't run their asses around a tree somewhere with a glock.

 What does it take for the SEC to become suspicious and get involved?

 and is M$ behind the curtain?

* Darl_McBride laughs at Opus.

 Keep working you'll get them to say "Buy Microsoft"

 Wonder how much mafia is involved in Linux investments?

 The SEC has its own problems they are still dealing with

 Oh hell, he's trying to say everything developed is SCO property

 i understand that al queda terrorists wrote most of the linux kernel

 That's a good question, StarTux.  I think some existing shareholders or other insiders would have to complain or play blow-the-whistle

 hit them with why they ship samba with SCO !!!

 to a community.

 If the coders are lax, does that make SCO the laxative?

 This is all supposition -- a bunch of bullshit.

 JUst like the Caldera stringers did

 yeah - ask about them shipping Samba as their windows compatibility.

 mwg: lmao rotf

 Okay, I came in late.  We don't REALLY have Darl here, right?

 yes they can prove it because its documented in the BSD cases

 That's Jeff again.

 wftl: No, we don't.

 tell them Jeff

 And what about a class action lawsuit for those usingWonder when/if someone with SCO will blow the whistle?

 Whew!

 Go Jeff!!! Woo Hoo!!

 that's why Linux is such a threat to MS and SCO

 oh yeah

 thast right

 Shoot, sorry...When will someone wihtin SCO blow the whistle?

 i love linux... so i hate IP rights

 Hasn't any of these people heard of the BSD VS At&T settlement?  There are NO UNIX RIGHTS ANYMORE!

 slander!

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 HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!

 software patents are not the same thing as copyright

 It's LONG OVER FOLKS!

 wftl == Marcel Gagne of Linux Journal.

 is it me, or does Chris Sontag sound like Bruce Dern

 but if you are a lying sack of shit, you mix the two

 There IS PRECIDENT HERE!

 Good question, I wish I knew...

 wait... isn't the only patent issue involved here gainst sco?

 There's nothing left to say except, "I'll see you in court".

 and sco is filled with lying sacks of shit

 kill them all

 Arne : there go all my secrets.

 Why did not SCO say there was their IP in the 2.4 kernel when I go there is the first place in the 2.3 stage?.

 What per review is there for propritory code?

 How can sontag actually claim that _we_ have no review process? You can just google for the entire history of any bit of code

 tbagnara -- That *is* Bruce Dern who plays Chris Snotrag on TV.

 Richard briljant remark : All code goes into 2.3.xx first anyway!

 oh yeahhh..

 Richard: Ransom Love was still in charge at that time

 Right ON!

 Welcome Marcel.

 next Torvalds announces a feature freeeze

 Arne--Acutally it is Bruce Dern doing a Jack Nicholoson impression

 This has already been decided!

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 SCO has just sued for a popcorn farm.

 but the BSD settlement required ONLY that copyright notice be given on a very small number of files

 but that doesn't mean SCO owns that code

 They did not say anything about 2.3 kernel.

 It would really shock me if the world didn't rain down counter lawsuits for billions of dollars against SCO for thsi act of terrorism.

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 the settlement specifically states that no license nor royalties need to be paid

 no license is required nor any royalty paid

 essentially it is code terrorism... kill Linux

 just acknowledge the copyright

 that's what they truly want to do

 SCO that is

 and that clause sticks to all successors

 Get the dept. of homeland security on SCO!

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 hope you guys on the ROundtable can read this

 I think the only limitation on the BSD code was the advertising clause in their license.

 kill them all

 I

<-- StarTux has quit (Remote host closed the connection)  The real shame of it is that the SCO officers are shielded by corporate law from _personal_ liability in all of this. SCO will be bankrupted, and they'll get off scott-free with hundreds of thousand (or millions) of dollars

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 warthawg and the BSD license however allows third party software vendors, to snatch the code, and earn the cash with it anyway.

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 that's like patenting Gravity... Sir Isaac Newton, we owe you money for that one

 This is the first major frivilous lawsuit of the new century.

 Quoting McBride "Our goal is not to blow up Linux. People ask why we don't go after the distributors...'If you have such a strong case, why not shut down Red Hat?' Our belief is that SCO has great opportunity in the future to let Linux keep going, not to put it on its back but for us to get a transaction fee every time it's sold. That's really our goal."

 IT has reverse precident.

 warthawg i assume the GPL doesn't allow this.

 It's dangerous.

 4.4BSD is completely unencumbered except for the requirement to show the copyright notice on a few files

 It's illegal in the respect that SCO has milked innocent investors into high priced stock with it's actions.

 USL agreed to that, and SCO must live by it

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 These people need to be behind bars.

 Opus   agreed

 Opus yep

 Definitely

 so now SCO is the RIAA of operating systems?

 Yeah asshole, CD sales have also declined!

 Amy... It is free... most people ... where have you been... what planet. Everyone I know... Everyone who uses Linux, has a FREE version of Linux. It's free. Period

 i like this Steven J. Henry, Chair, IP Transactions Group, Wolf, Greenfield & Sacks, P.C.

 Interesting that he's also shilling for the RIAA -- setting up for his next job after bailing when SCO is bankrupted?

 Maybe the problem is that they have been *in* bars a bit too often.

 They are openly flaunting the United States Justice department.

 duede :)

 If Chewbacca does not make sense you must acquit. Here look at the monkey , look at the silly monkey.

 No, As detestable as it is, The RIAA does hold the rights to which it claims, SCO doesn't :P

 If Martha goes to jail then so does SCO.

 RIAA is full of it

 Martha didn't do nearly as much wrong as SCO has done this year.

 sh

 they are up to seven million

 that is

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 I own the music I buy

 7 million glaring lines, and they can't show even one of them ROFL

 not them

 lol :))))

 no way in hell 7 million

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 for example, include/asm-m68k/spinlock.h

 Vennt -- RIAA has rights to music by bilking artists out of their original rights.

 Hey gang, is SCO really on is someone just pulling my leg?

 Did SCO ever react to that code check announcement from the ESR utility?

 come on!

 When will SCO actually show us the evidence?

 thanks Arne... exactly

 what they do

 sparticus:  not on this channel no

 SCO has no code to show

 Jump in there, Jeff!!!

 thats why they are raising the BSD issue

 They should have brought their 'Expert Witnesses' to the IBM trial!

 Don't think SCO ever reacted.

 warthawg SCO has no code to show, which is _owned_ by SCO.

 :)

 *can't find the stream link*

 StarTux: They'll either show _something_ Dec 5, or their case will get dismissed :)

 It's not in SCO's best interest to show anything.    It's not even in their best interest to actually go to court with IBM.

 They showed no code and the judge asked them for it.  They denied coverage to the judge.

 If it gets dismissedm, what happens to SCO?

 They should be held in contempt of court, their assets should be seazed and the board of directors should be sentenced to hard time.

 Opus, they _what_?  I hadn't heard about this one..

 IBM will eat their ass for lunch... who's got more lawyers... money and knowledge?

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 StarTux: They get screwed hard in the countersuit

 tsotate: No. There are oral arguments on Dec 5. If SCO doesn't give good excuses, they will be given a deadline to produce discovery items. After the deadline, then they are dead meat.

 hit them Jeff

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 why didn't anyone on the panel point out that the code copying was BSD code

 from earlier

 Is Expert witness enough? Don't think so...Showing code, then one has to prove on how it got there

 BSD BSD BSD

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 jeffppc jeff is doing right now

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 What happened under Ransom Love?

 in court, SCO hasn't claimed any copyright violations.  It doesn't matter if they think they've got copied code if they don't show it in court.

 SCO's proof of frivilousness is in the fact they sued IBM first and it was discovered their litigation was really with another party.

 lo knoppix

 StarTux Ransom Love fucked up, as CEO of Caldera

 All that code could easily been put there at one time by SCO themselves

 very interesting show

 Ransom Love publish Under GPL Linux 2.4

 over already?

 Their just suing people because they can.

 thats it?

 "Go forth and be open" ?

 They hnever had intent.

 That was much shorter than I expected

 Darl looks like such a moron

 "Sco forth and be open"  I thought

 STay tuned everybody.  The Linux Show team will be on the air momentarily.

 i think they could have been much harder on sco

 i had to listen do McDork talk for longer than that

 I think it's time for Arne and the news.

 anyone surprised it was short

 we don't get the Q&A?

 Phone noises on the stream....

 Well, just another FUD-fest.  Very disappointing.  I think Jeff did a good job, tho.

 Jeff is calling in...

 time to smoke then.. brb.

 Did I miss the show?

 Its not going to be in court '05....

 ok... we're waiting

 It was painful

 news, please - this SCO stuff makes me sick  ;-)

 knoppix:  I'm not sure, the link on the site doesn't work

 At least they did show up I guess

 i need to SCO throwup

 SCO's case will not go to court, but IBM's countersuit will be going to court.

 Music !!!! again

 lol

 Is this it or what?

 Kevin?  Are you taping this I hope? 

 awesome - a double-length feature show tonight!!

 potty break

 warthawg: Darl doesn't look like a moron. Darl IS a moron.

 Kev is

 is windows ready for the desktop?

 Chris Sontag and Darl, might get to share a nice cell with Bubba :)

 Too short.  Would love to see photos.  I'd be interested in seeing if SCO's rep. was grinning or frowning.

 got it cronjob'd too

 sjohnson well that sums it up , pretty

 This was a night of tuff talk from people  who had no position.

 warthawg -- rofl!

 Guys, I joined this party late.  Where was the event happening?

 pants ;)

 someone needs to do a stress evaluation on sontag's audio

 warthawg: WIndows drove me to find Linux, so it's ready to that degree. :-)

 brad: The only link I found that worked was the Real stream.

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 Lost Wages, Nevada.

 he was stressed

 http://stream.linuxquestions.org:8000/linuxlive worked for me

 Well JEff was there, I'm really looking for to his commentary

 I using ogg

 very nervous

 warthawg: No, has issues with hardware, but does have plenty of commercial games. Also, basic applications tend to  be expensive

 just did the evaluation

 mentally

 http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive5.ram

 no code for that...

 http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive3.ram

 StarTux:  not to mention being a security disaster

 http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive1.ram

 MP3 stream was great here

 http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive2.ram

 mpg123 http://stream.linuxquestions.org:8000/linuxlive

 Folks!  The real reason BSD never got into trouble was the judge knew then that most of this source code wasn't developed by AT&t either!

 Here too.

 mine is great LQ stream mp3

 XMMS will work for the stream right?

 It was developed by people around the country for free under open licenses of the day.

 Opus: i was talking to Kirk about that this afternoon

 oGG is sounding great!

 brad... yea

 They had no rights to it to begin with.

 XMMS does.  I'm using it now.

 using xmms right now

 http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive5.m3u   <-- mp3  what is this, Jefferson Starship?

 Xmms works with Ogg

 using xmms on mp3 stream

 I usually use the ogg stream, but I was having problems earlier,  someone suggested the MP3 and xmms has been doing fine with it tonight.

 not lost a single word tonight

 http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive3.m3u

 well, XMMS would be good... if I'd bothered installing a gui

 http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive1.m3u

 amazing grace

 btw thanks to groklaw for letting me know about this ;)

 http://www.thelinuxshow.com/linuxlive2.m3u

 mplayer works fine, though

 Sounds  a little like Starship, doesn't it?

 Opus: Yeah, AT&T couldn't even follow the the BSD license and give the BSD folks credit.

 WOW, 75 people - a new high!

 stock:  thanks alot, it's going now :)

 Wharthogge: definitely

 The V32 code is all but public domain. It would just take a bit of legal pushing to get a judge to make the determination.

 17 months!  This sounds as long as the first time around with BSD.  IT seemed like forever.

 I love Groklaw !!!!

 brad always check http://www.linuxshow.com/

 What was it, 2-3 years total before the judge said to them they were full of crap and to get out of here.

 brad always check http://www.thelinuxshow.com/

 Its SCOship Enterprise and its heading into trouble, Captain McBride is drunk at the helm again! Chief Boies has lost his bearings...Tune in next week for the final episode of SCOship Enterprise

 sorry :)

 We're BACK!!!

 Who are the successors in interest to USL/BSDI? Novell and Wind River?

 Hopefully there are people here from Groklaw. I send PJ a e-mail mentioned the Townhall and PJ put in on the top story.

 should we be surprised? the American legal system is all about lining the pockets of the lawyers

 Who could be stupid enought to sue over exactly the same thing a judge dismissed 12 years ago?

 is it love .... is it hate ... are we testing fate...?

 Who could be that stupid?

  We're BACK!!!

  We're BACK!!!

  We're BACK!!!

 hehe :)

 segfault number 2

 Great sound!

 Yeah even the remote sounded good

 I'm sure she's listening in and will have another excellent review of everything said.

 hey Arne

 I think IBM can keep SCO in court for years.  If IBM can hold the govement back for 10 years SCO should happen in about 20 years

 Hiya!

 Don't hold back Jeff....

 stock:  yeah, I will ;)

 i'm disappointed that there was no chair throwing. dammit.

 Keynot address.

 FUD

 to be sure

 Key-knot?

 _Please_, do Jeff.

 Keynot address

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 so what did darl allow?

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 fudnote address?

 where's the Jerry Springer bouncers?

 windows media format only?

 Jeff never go into a open forum, without PDA, blackberry or even a live IRC session on #linuxshow@irc.thelinuxshow.com :)

 Darl has had a histroy of being into sueing...

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 I can probably play that anyhow...

 win media plays fine on mplayer under Linux

 wouldn't it be a shame if the SCO website got slashdotted?

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 Yes, a terrible shame...

 escalated?

 slow down Jeff... get a breath

 Newsome: why would that help or whatever

 Escalating Bozos.  What an picture that paints

 Bandits, that's ok name. Just don

 headlines on sco.com = Darl McBride Ranked in Top 25 IT Executives for 2003

 Remember to breathe.  Passing out on the show will panic a lot of people.

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 't call us Microsoft

 you bandits! all of you!

 The SCO Group are a bunch software pirates.

 Libel!

 Truth!!

 soon to be Butt pirates in prision

 Hey guys. I'm having trouble dialilng in. When I hit the usual magic numbers, nothing happens.

 gonna have to kill them

 this is doc, btw

 Newsome: Know you're joking, but doing something along those lines only gives them ammunition

 help doc

--- f8dy is now known as doc

 Time for everyone in the open source community to start filing slander suits (or is it libel suits, I can never keep them straight)...

 Don't kill them, let them spend a few year in the Federal Pen!

 we need his voice

 Jeff they have some spare sandwhiches left? only 1000 visitors for a whole week?

 Darl wimped out. LOL

 Ok, how can we make a class action lawsuit againt Sontag and McBride?

 If that have million of lines of code how about 1000 or so that will can lookup

 it up

 Bastard!!!!!

 That was Eric Raymond

 Sneaky bastich, that one.

 Impromptu press coverance with McBride.  Bastard.

 where is Eric Raymond

 class action suit?  I'm saying each open source developer should file _individual_ suits....

 He's on

 is anybody from the show listening in here? Jeff? Arnie? Kevin? Kev, maybe you should call me on my cell.

 that is esr

 Listen for him

 warthawg i heard eric

 ...was

 I hear things a few seconds in advance.

 Wharthogge: Kinda poor to do an individual suit :)

 Jeff sounds like he's about to pass out again.,..

 Who was "Amy" in the round table?

 What was Eric's comment?

 jeffppc: inhale, exhale..

 Me too, and I'm not a developer, at least not yet...

 Here comes ESR

 Steven J. Henry, Chair, IP Transactions Group, Wolf, Greenfield & Sacks, P.C  "So why didn't IBM settle with you guys?? tell me :))"

 lol :)

 Jeff, calm down. 

 Jeff is a huffin' and a puffin'

 Where is NZ_heretic? Must be suffering post world cup blues...

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 lol:)

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 show who is talk now

 chris snotrag

 ESR

 Doc is trying t link in to judge from his entries here.

 Eric Raymond

 81 in IRC!  woo hoo

 I'm not tryhing to link in. I'm trying to call the show. It isn't working.

 MGALUG: Thanks

 chris sontag should wipe his nose before entering a Town Hall panel... for sake , his ass even too :)

 yup

 ESR is being sooooo restrained.

 stock: Nah he'd have to get out of Darl's ass for that

 All I have to say is that you guys are saints, I couldn't have resisted the chance to throw eggs at Darl

 Where is Eric site

 hello

 woops

 doc: That's what I meant, poor terminology on my part.

 argx: Why waste a good egg on him?

 lol!

 Yes, use a bad egg...

 StarTux: Who said anything about good ones? They rot, eventually ;)

 KevDude: you helping doc?

 I bet they hired someone about 2 years ago to plant the code, wait it out till some big companies invested in it, so they could make money on litigation.

 ESR - do you have any info on the SGI code that was removed that SGI determined was "questionable at best"?

 "So why didn't IBM settle with you guys?? tell me :))" ohh!!! $3 billion was kinda tough ehh?

 they are full of shit

 mac586: It was a memory allocation (malloc) routine that SGI had put in the kernel for IA-64 support.

 This is a gamble. SCO thinks they can convince a judge that they own everything UNIX. IBM thinks not.

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 Dunno, shit came from something useful...

 hey everybody

 something we eat

 he Nama

 Right .. malloc was what was shown at the forum.  I'm asking about the mini-cleanup and analysis SGI conducted back in Oct / refernece the SGi letter to the community

 what about the test fase of the 2.4 kernel : 2.3.xx kernel series?

 doc -- just got in....  if Kev heard me

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 oh yah i remember that SGI letter

 83... whoa!

 talking about "removing" sensitive code

 welcom doc

 or something

 what if there is nobody mentioned as owner?

 I heard a beep.  Is DOc in?

 should be...

<-- Convert has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030624])  how is it contributed without an owner?

 The "audit trap" can be turned on SCO though.  I'm sure IBM are thinking of doing so in the court trial...

 The law works?

 The audit process they want would devalue open source development... and allow them to compete

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 Say some of the BSD code that didn't have a copyright on it

 KeyNOT address.

 awe god i think russ said

 audit trap indeed. bitkeeper would be a better log as it's _very_ public.

 Im not too worried about IBM. They seem to be able to take care of themselves.

 That's part of my point, mcleodnine.

 "I'm not suehappy.... Yet."

 In IBM's eyes the case is already over. The have already won.

 no kidding

 its was over before it started

 I'll sue you all!

 cause the community has nothing to hide

 How do they intend to sue a Linux user for copyright infringement without showing the code?  Have I missed something here?

 Users in court in 90 days? When the IBM case is 17 months away!

 17 months! cripes.

 Is this the cart before the hoursw?

 Where is ESR testing pr relase

 We need to do a better job explaining peer review, and how thorough it is versus the classic waterfall development model.  More testing, more thorough testing, more testing outside of the box.  No limitation on time, cost, or schedule, to get the kernel out the door.

 So hit him with a clue-by-four.

 horse

 toga: He's just trying to pump the stock price back up -- 90 days might as well be 'never'

 Quote of the week :

 "The people who develop open-source code," Perens said, "are getting tired of being told that they have to pay to use it."

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 heh

 he applies that interpretation of our motives because it suits his purpose, to characterize us as thieves

<-- evan_d has quit (Quit: Client exiting)  Million my ass.

 ESR: Where is the site with code checks he did?

 well you remember torvalds's quote about how he himself worked on some of the smp irq code

 Richard -- Google is your friend

<-- warthawg (~warthawg@cs6668177-209.austin.rr.com) has left #linuxshow (Client exiting) <-- __zt has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)  http://www.catb.org/~esr/comparator/comparator.html   No analysis though, just how the code works

 Go to the OSI site.

 "Notes from the SCO conference call"  http://lwn.net/Articles/58915/

 they are living in a crack smoking world

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 I heard the quotes around the word economic there.

 Found it: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html

 FUD filled and intelligence free?  A new diet food?

 heh

 get your daily dose

 not

 and they don't like sharing their crack

 "SCO CEO: Novell-SuSE breaks SCO contract"  http://lwn.net/Articles/58856/

 yah i saw that

 so funny

 hehe SCO is building shit on all fronts?

<-- kona has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031007])  Russ, it sounds like SCO has been trained by the Microsoft Media guys..

 And thanks to MS fat, todays computers are slower than 10 years ago.

 cant be trained like that, your born to talk bullshit like them

 MS is the OS for fatasses.

 Copyrights and Patents are the death of innovation and thus the U.S. or A.

 heh, if all we have *is* IP protectionism, then we *are* just plain farked.

 exit

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 doc

 protecting IP from tech workers, is maybe a thing only College Business school people can up with.

 Have you seen the supposed "non-compete" clause? - Looks like it's dependant on SCO's Linux IP in Unix BS, (i.e. it's just an agreement not to use the code sold to SCO to compete with SCO, not a general "don't compete in out marketplace")

 OSS is built off of Copyright system

 I believe in copyright, I just think it's out of control.

 like improving revenue by moving tech jobs to the far east Chine e.g.

 Does that mean without moonlight we can't moon?

 Vennt: not to mention that it's a contract with Tarentella, not scox

 exactly

 http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8892

 a must see

 hehe SCO TP :)

 lol

 hah

 I bet it has 1500 single ply sheets.

 also  ...

 http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8898

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 I'd be afraid to use SCO TP, they might try to claim my tailbone.

 Darl: "I need IP for my Lawsuit, hehe hehehe hehehe, pass me the remote butthead *to Blake*

 terracon give one SCO TP roll to Chris Snotrag :)

 heh

 Foks!  There was software code before there was software copyright.

 arne's new desktop wallpaper for sure :)

 Software copyright occured some 30 years after the first software code.

 Nobody thought of it.

 We could take this perhaps farther, almost 100 years to a point in time before the civil war.

 i just the SCO TP as my "wallpaper"

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 lots of actual listening tonight.. low IRC activity...

 Yes

 Patended XML?

 anger stops the vrain and keys from working ;-)

 Yeah, for MSWord documents

 brain - duh!

 that's MS's idea... sure

 ohhhh : $ cat whitebox-release

 White Box Enterprise Linux release 3 (Liberation)

 Is the show still going?

 I need to go out and patent my database schemas. 

 http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/

 That was theat idiot Didio the initial claimed the sco code was lene for line same as Linux

 Yes the show is on now

 I would have paid to have seen Sontag explode.

 Why _not_ attack Darl physically?

 snotrag was very nervous

 we could hear it

 wow!

 I would have paid to see Darl attacked too.  Cage match.

 I still say Chris sounds like Bruce Dern

 Why attack a porcupine?

 by the way, how many Boise, Schiller, Flexner employees are logged in to this channel now, show of hands?

 that is great

 I'll bake it!

 Cannot connect through Ogg stream

 HAHAHHAH!!! Unbelievable.

 rediculous

 does Darl sleep quite at night still??

 THey did it to BIll, why not Darl?

 That pie make your pocket messy? ;)

 cow pie

 They are publicly, visibly and (to many) inevitably on the backfoot... and the stocks not staying propped up... of course he is nervous :P

 hmmm Jeff next time take Eric with ya :)

 heh

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 After Darl made his keynote, did they clean the stage with disinfectent?

 lol

 ohhh and all this is happening at COMDEX Las Vegas?????

 no they burned it

 Hard to communicate diseases cross-species

 yah stock

 lolrotf

 Namaseit wow...

 I can see Darl coming onto stage doing one of those Dancemonkeyboy dances.

 i wish i coulda gone, i have family in las vegas and i woulda had free room and board

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 i can see darl coming onto stage in a glass case like the pope

 Apache needs to work on SSL implementation.  They hold a much smaller share of the secure server market.

 chris surly had too much coffee again

 too much crack

 A short IP definition - http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/std/faq/question1.htm

 If they use the glass cage make ure there are no air holes or someone might gas him.  :-)

 Too many weasel genes....

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 Namaseit with all that security regulations Sontag and Mcbride have a high cash burnrate... that $50 million won't last long. And hey!! they are in Vegas!!! :))

 they are shooting craps

 well they are drug addicts, so that 50 mil wont last long either way. I mean how else do you explain this whole thing?

 nah... you have odds of winning at craps :P

 Solaris was based on BSD.

 yah

 See the UNIX tree map.

 Opus: SunOS was BSD. Solaris is based on System V.

 Darl McBride is gonna see if he can double that 50 mil at the slots

 SunOS <= 4.x was based on BSD  SunOS >= 5 is based on SVr4.

 Sontag and mcBride will say : Cause you commu hippes robbed our sourcecode!!!"

 exactly... Linux is going to survive...

 Unixware was based on LSD :P

 hehe

 cant kill something that has no center entity or control source

 He's in Vegas to play the Linux Lottery

 not like buying out a business

 nope... bsd is

 speaking on doc's comments

 hello... berkley! ;)

 This whole SCO thing shows the world that America is dead as a commercial model.  That this is what the stock market stands for.

 Evil and corruption.

 Opus my thoughts/words

 SCO is trying everything possible to stay alive just long enough to get their stock to 20 bucks.

 For the Department of Justice to tolerate SCO in this day and age speaks very poorly of the Bush Administration.

 no kidding

 Nah... the operating system as a commercial model - the entire basis of MS Billions - is dead.

 Miguel or any Mono Developer.

 They should sue MS for stealing the BSD TCP/IP stack.

 They be hyper excited

 M$ bought a license.

 Opus.... give them time :P

 the commercial model had it's day, now it's just holding back progress

 what is so funny is that we are even in this situation, that linux has become so big that such companies like MS are actually scared of FOSS. Its just mind blowing that a company with their resources is so fucked up.

 Guess they weren't happy with trumpet winsock.

 MS TCP stack is no longer BSD's. They bought someone elses. Don't recall who's.

 Opus: Keep in mind, unlike SCO, the various government agencies don't neccessarily make press releases before doing things

 Where's the BEEF!

 sjohnson, why let facts get in the way, that ain't the SCO way :P

 sorry BEEF turned out to be in SCO's IP so no gets beef anymore

 Trust me.  If there is a way to fuck up, Bush will do it.

 DEADBEEF wheee

 hell, MS can't exist without Linux... check their Update Servers (renting Akamai servers)

 They're giving SCOX enough rope to hang themselves

 Vennt: Touche

 since their OS is crap.

 He'd buy the fuckers airplane tickets to escape to south america.

 Remember ENRON!

 Scott!

 what about when the Bush admin. took over and all the sudden MS monoply was over

 I need to find my pictures of Sadam's dinner with current Bush department heads some 20 years ago.  Best buds.

 I actually have a lot more hope on a state level, though

 gnudoodler - you mean the case that was settled with far too few penalties?

 Yes

 Yep

 NY Attorney General is really getting off on taking down companies doing stuff like this

 Java Desktop System

 tsotate: It's going to be touch at a state level. MS is buddy, buddy with a number of State officials.

 sunray is it

 JDS = Mad Hatter

 Don't knock US/Corporate world too much, corruption is *worldwide* and at least in the US it only co$ts money, not lives :) (And this coming from a non-US person who finds the US *scary*)

 yea... China is going to Linux way big

 sjohnson: I meant SCO, not MS

 500million

 500 Million?  That's rather a lot.   I think...

 tsotate: Ah.

 Opus: they're all crooks, no matter the party affiliation, get over it. :)

 #define WHITE_BOX  BIOX_WITHOUT_M$_OEM_CONTRACT

 well you heard of the SUN deal right?

 #define WHITE_BOX  BOX_WITHOUT_M$_OEM_CONTRACT

 they are making the best move.

 no it's half million

 and their "java" desktop

 I think he means 500 thousand

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 personally I hate Sun

 I'd love to see Darl present China with a multi-billion dollar Invoice for all those desktops.

 of course China wants Linus, they're communist for pete's sake.

 It's really no wonder why we have aged souls playing ring around the tree with attorney's.

 doc... McGurk says 1/2 mil

<-- StarTux has quit (Ping timeout: 182 seconds)  I'm glad to see a win for AMD

 but still, 1/2 is lots

 I don't mind sun. I don't love or hate

 There is no justice nor pride in America anymore,  Just SCO.

 mac586: Good one.

 I have a Sun monitor

 #define WHITE_BOX_OS  WHITE_BOX_ENTERPRISE_LINUX

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 why not china? ...

 Scott Mcnealy "Stay Tuned" (tm)

 http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20031117S0015

 I had to help someone the other day with a Dell.  The 'tech support' had trashed her TCP/IP stack...

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 The new third world >>> G7

 typical fo rDell

 I always thought Sun would buy RedHat.  But then again, I thought they were going to buy Apple too.

 Novell will buy Sun

 hmm. i just grepped the swap file on a win95 box and look what i found: $NetBSD: fifo_vnops.c,v 1.18 1996/03/16 23:52:42 christos Exp $ */

 Sun wouldn't buy redhat. They think their Solaris is too strong

 They don't have enough money to buy Sun.

 something they need

 not yet

 Hmmm.  I wonder if SuSE runs on Sun boxen...

 No the . in Dot com was good If only because everyone can remember it

 I think he's overstating the importance of IBMs ads

 SUN should take care not to drift to the same fate as DIGITAL did.

 The REAL positive publicity IBM is getting is from beating SCO like a red-headed stepchild

 would anyone really notice if sun did drift that way?

 and it looks like ftp.exe in win95 includes BSD code, but that's it

 It captured the Zeitgeist perfectly and was a clue to the tech communuty that knew the top level domain dns servers ran on Sun

 Digital wasn't a "drift", it was a power-dive.

 You just can't buy publicity like that

 some of the Sun stuff looks cool though. The Sun Ray's look neat. Never used one but they look cool with the java card

 Wharthogge tru... but they didn't make it

 I need to hear another big IBM open handed slap before the week is out.  High in entertainment value.

 ray norta

 Hey, look what else I see on my Windows box swap fiel  '$NSA - fifo-vnops.c.v. .53 Patriot Act - back door key daemon - uptime 34 minutes'.

<-- curious_ has quit (Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared!)  I think Sun clinging to Java as an all for everything solution is pretty stupid. Java is ok, but its not good for all situations

 Probably will get a Novell/IBM hand slap soon...

 Noorda

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 Wasn't it that JBoss guy that said MoFo every other word?

 Is Noorda in a coma?  The Novell - Suse thing was his vision years ago.

 Opus: :)

 knoppix: Yep

 Opus... Please report to your nearest federally sanctioned re-education center, compliance is obligatory ;)

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 I think it's arguable that Noorda was in a coma all along....

 breakup

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 Good point Wharthogge

 No beers?

 4AM?  Ouch!

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 hey

 SCO is going to be pissing their pants in court. They are going to get ripped apart

 is this a live show

 Why go to bed early, why not just stay up late? :)

 I did a 4am trip to Boston last week. Now I have a cold.  Funny how that works

 Well, we knew that SCO were blowhards.

<-- spartacus has quit (Quit: Client exiting)  Jzarecta: Yes. It's live.

 what happened with the 5.30pm PT show

 the Town Hall show

 Their going to need another cash overlay or they won't make it the full 17 months.

 05...Long enough to pump the market

 Read Groklaw!!! Visit www.groklaw.

 haha

 http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=46153

 I'd expect to see Sun or MS infusing some more $$$

 Darl interview on CRN

 They need to pump the market, or they forfeit to Baystar

 dive SCO stock dive

 Dive! Dive! Dive!

 geez.. why where does this game remind me off?

 Opus all good butt buddies get 50M per quarter.

 well they gotta dupe some more 50 million dollars deal

 That is from the conference call this afternoon  with Boies.  Wall St J was one of the reporters allowed to ask a question

 CRN: The whole issue of customer lawsuits... you will be suing someone within 90 days?

 McBride:Tthey said within 90 days but I would qualify that and say I'll be surprised if we get beyond 60 days

<-- LinuxRiC has quit (Quit: opie&anthony rule)  If SCOX's stock falls too far, they hit the penalty clause in their Baystar contract, and Baystar owns them

 hehe

 tsotate interesting

 lol

 You can't withhold evidence asked for by a judge either.

 Have faith in IBM. IBM is slowly starting to put the legal squeeze on SCO.

 That's contempt of court.

 Judge: What is your evidence?  SCO: Its secret but just believe us

 IBM is like a giant, legal anaconda..

 IBM is doing it right, staying cool, and doing their homework

 wondered when that would come

 This is 'OPEN' manipulation of stock trades.

 oh a song

 haha

 lol:)))))

 don't forget red hat vs sco

 if that's true, let's see SCO try to get a TRO. they won't.

 Why are they not in Federal court on charges like Martha Stewart is?

 SUSE derivative of SYSV? LOL. Its a derivative to Slackware, which is...

 people, what happened with the Town hall meeting?

 SCO is Martha Stewart X50.

 Opus, our legal system is VERY slow

 The non Compete was with Tarantella SCO bought the assets 

 It's fucking non existant.

 Hey, it's all derived from the ENIAC.

 like the Monkeyboy flash

 Because Marth makes cookies sco make nothing

 Darl is missing the mount. The non-compete only applies to Novels royalty-free license to use the System V code in the Asset Purchase Agreeement.

 Martha

 s/mount/point/

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 SCO is threatening the world and manipulating it's stock.  This is illegal.

 sco is mount /dev/null

 cat darl_brain > /dev/null

 Why does the press come to the conferences?

 Darl does not care about the point, its the falling stock price!

 How do you get from point to mount?  Wow, I don't want to give you root pw

 lawyers get all the money

 McBride: "We're on the side of the silent majority"

 Jzarecta: The Townhall was record. Look for the the last weeks show a few hoours after the show ends.

 jmizell bingo

 sjohnson,  thanks

 Darl and Chris Sontag need to spend time with Bubba!

 No SCO's lawyers only 20%

 They're well practiced at "sounding sincere" by now.

 Come on, they not doing FUD.  Its damn lies.

 Try the new game 'Stock Market' from SCO. :-)

  I don't know what Darl is shooting for after SCO gets brought down, but Sontag is _clearly_ shooting for a executive position at RIAA

 CIO of Microsoft??

 Hollywood won't hire Sontag if they go after the animation studios

 yah no kidding

 It's some bozo going grep -i "SMP|RCU|JFS|NUMA"

 We peaked at 77 or 78 people tonight, a new record.

 shouldn't be a issue

<-- Chris_Snotttog (~n8osapi@adsl-155-7-12.tys.bellsouth.net) has left #linuxshow  My peak here was 83.

 surely you mean grep -wli

 Think it was 80 or so

 83

 Yep. 83 people peak in IRC

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 IBM knows they have a good postion

 IBM is applying the legal squeeze. And they are getting even tougher with their motions.

 Is it just me or did sontag just "sound" like a douche bag

 douche bag

 Dunno, what's a douche bag sound like?

 snotrag

 Definitely weasel-oid.

 douch water

 heh

 Read GROWLAW. Visit www.groklaw.net. Best discussion site for the SCO vs IBM case.

 I agree with Arne.

 Read GROKLAW. Visit www.groklaw.net. Best discussion site for the SCO vs IBM case.

 yah, IBM doesnt just go jumping into anything

 machine!

 IBM asked for specific documents related to the case.

 I want to hear Eric's comment Please

 1,000,000 pages of print outs.

 paper tape?

 A scanner is a machine... :-)

 Second worst thing that could happen at this point would be for the SCO case to be thrown out or dismissed and IBM not to follow through with their own case.

 NBo just print outs.

 paper gate

 Nobody left at SCO to make a tape of the source code.

 5.25" floppies

 i prefer to pay the IRS in quatloos.

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 Darl probably printed the source with MS Word.

 i would like the case to go through so people who say GPL is not strong enough to stand in court will shut up

 they  printed the code,  then scanned then made pdf files that they send to IBM

 How can a contract prevent someone from testifying in court?

 it cant

 SCO owns the copyright according to them. They can't whatevery the hell they please.

 yay!!!!!!!!!!!

 I didn't think so.

 December 5.  Day of reckoning, I hope.

 its discovery. nothing is hidden

 Magistrate can't do that.

 Somebody tell ESR that a dismissal is not a conclusion to this think.  SCO could just go and sue the next somebody on their list.

 mmmm chicken.

 Saint Nicolas give the Tux a present :)

 No Dec 5 is before a magistrate judge, not the trial judge.

 Judge Kimball can, but the Magistrate can't throw out the suit.

 Judgement Day - Dec 5, 2003

* viking667 waves goodbye for now...

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 She can make judgements on the discovery issues, but ..

 very interesting

 Natalie Portman!

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/34068.html

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 The case won't be squashed then. The magistrative will order SCO to cough up dissocey unless they have a damn good excuse.

 Have a nice week everybody.  IRC will remain up for a while.

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 I really hope that IBM (ab)uses its patent portfolio to blacklist all the SCO execs in the industry forever ("Hire him and you can't use cursors anymore")

 to say the least

 mmmmmmmm linuxshow

 Talk about LinuxBios project

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 good Jeff..

 Read GROWLAW. Visit www.groklaw.net. Best discussion site for the SCO vs IBM case.

 Great show!  Thx

 Kev, Arne, Doc

 Thank you, everybody, for your support.

<-- pben has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4) <-- jmizell has quit (Quit: Leaving)  See you next week.

 Thanks for the show and the chat.

 thanks guys, we appreciate the hard work!

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<-- PhantomsDad has quit (Quit: KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex") <-- Arbiter has quit () * stock wonders what Microsoft will come up with next, after SCO is only avaliable as TP :)))  great show.  Thanks

 good show, thanks guys

 great show, see you netx week!

 Good show guys !

 Great show, again!!

<-- Arne has quit (Quit: 9) nanoseconds)  thanks for the great show, even if it had to be about SCO   ;-)

<-- BobGuy has quit (Quit: Time for a /usr/local/nap)  Interesting.  The first remote show I can remember, but I've missed a few.

 How soon until the archives are up? I missed the first half.

 Bye   Frustrating Show ;-)

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 Great show, even if Darl did weasel out of things at the last minute

<-- mldonkey has quit (Quit: Client Exiting)  I rather enjoyed it, actually

<-- Glenn (~chatzilla@dhcp-0-20-78-c9-ab-fd.cpe.mountaincable.net) has left #linuxshow  Great show. Great sound on the Townhall Meeting.

 very very good show :) great stuff !! :)

 thanks guys, see ya next week!

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<-- fred has quit (Quit: Client exiting) <-- mac586 has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4)  so it should be up shortly

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 KevDude: How soon until you post?

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 until next week... Keep it Open!!

 dont forget

 Screw the IRS. . .dejavu

 Keep it Free!!

 :)

 Give me Liberty, or Give me SCO's death!